Bachelder Restoration

[Bruce Day]

20ga DH, 0 frame. Bronze bore liners were installed early on. The usual reason for installing bore liners was to return the bore to dimension after removing excessive pitting.

Before:

[Bruce Day]

After Bachelder Master Gunmakers ( PGCA member):

[Steve Huffman]

I dont know what to say , I kinda like the old but that is just me . Wood looks great the metal is mainly my issue .

[Bruce Day]

I'll leave it on for a while and if no one likes it I'll delete the post. I wouldn't want people to have to look at an ugly gun.

[Bill Murphy]

Bruce, can you tell us more about the barrel liners?

[Steve Huffman]

We have seen some ugly guns, But who said this was ugly ?

[Angel Cruz]

Was it a 12ga before the bbl liners? Never seen a small bore with a fish tail.

[Paul Harm]

Was just over there - he's restoring for me a 1873 Remington hammer lifter and on another gun taking the triggers from 15# to 4. Never knew he'd put brass liners in the barrels. Please tell us a little more about it. Everything looks really great on your gun. Does the finish look shinny because of the flash ? Love the damascus and other metal work he did.

[Drew Hause]

Originally a 20, and the previous owner didn't know by whom/when the liners were done

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/20580224/276843602.jpg

another shot of the liners

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/20580224/335165419.jpg

[Mills Morrison]

I'll leave it on for a while and if no one likes it I'll delete the post. I wouldn't want people to have to look at an ugly gun.



I can think of many words, but "ugly" is not one of them. More like "beautiful":bowdown:

[Bruce Day]

Bill, all I know is that bronze liners were sometimes installed in the teens and twenties in old barrels that were pitted out. You probably know more than me.

Paul, if you look at the before and after photos, you'll see the liners were there before Brad's restoration. The wood finish looks shiny because it is refinished and looks the way shellac and oil finishes are supposed to look when they are in good condition. You can see the case colors on the metal because the dull oxidation has been removed.

Angel, it was always a 20ga. Curved top levers were used in early guns of all gauges.

[Steve Huffman]

If this was not recased I am now amazed at what was done. I thought it was recased

[Peter Clark]

I've cetrtainy been pleased with everything Brad has done for me and, were it mine, I would be pleased with this one as well.

[Mark Ouellette]

Brad has authentically restored to the correct period several vintage Parker, LC Smith, AH Fox, and Lefever side by sides for me. Many of these are showcased in my albums in this Parker site.

I have alway been more than pleased with his restoration work for me.

Mark

[Russ Jackson]

Was just over there - he's restoring for me a 1873 Remington hammer lifter and on another gun taking the triggers from 15# to 4. Never knew he'd put brass liners in the barrels. Please tell us a little more about it. Everything looks really great on your gun. Does the finish look shinny because of the flash ? Love the damascus and other metal work he did.

Paul ,While you were visiting ,you didn't happen to get a look at my 30" Barreled ,28 Ga. DHE Brad is doing for me did you ??:whistle: I spoke with Lori the other day and it seems It was near done ,but Brad wasn't as pleased with the colors as he might have been ,soooo back to the shop !:banghead: I am anxious to get her home ,if you stop by again and have time take a look and let me know what you think so far ! Best ; Russ

[George M. Purtill]

I'll leave it on for a while and if no one likes it I'll delete the post. I wouldn't want people to have to look at an ugly gun.

God I love the D grade.

[Pete Lester]

I have not seen nor heard of bronze bore liners. I am curious, how strong is bronze compared to a composite barrel? Does anyone do this work today? Sounds like a great way to bring back a gun where barrels are too thin to be trusted. Brad's work is always pleasing to the eye.

[Bruce Day]

Leopold Bernard, cannonier to Napoleon, did very indeed transitioning the French army and navy from cast bronze or cast iron cannon to the much stronger composite iron and steel cannon. The Bernard cannons had significantly greater hoop strength and wear characteristics.

Bronze liners in shotgun bores were installed by turn of the century gunsmiths but I am not aware of any that were being done this way by mid century. More recently, the British firm of Teague and Co has installed steel liners in worn barrels, such as composite steels, maintaining the same gauge ID.

I'm sure others are more familar with the history of liners than me.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Be careful with your comments guys, Bruce is very sensitive.

DLH

[Jeff Kuss]

I have a 10 ga lifter with a two barrel set. One of the barrels was bronzed lined down to 12 ga.

[Andy Kelley]

Great looking gun and very nice work done on it. I can't see why someone would not admire the craftsmenship? Good luck with it.

[Brian Stucker]

I want more 'ugly' guns.

[Steve Huffman]

I would like to make a few things very clear I never said the gun was ugly , I never questioned Brads work, I myself have asked Brad a few things through this form,and stated to him that he does some damn nice work ! I would/will use him if I would ever trust the mail on getting my stuff to him. The only reason I said I had a issue was the gun was represented as restored and I thought it ment the case color too and I wondered about that later it was said it was cleaned Hell Of A JOB . I hope that I didnt offend anyone If I did I am very sorry. I hope You Brad will someday still do my work .

Steve

[George M. Purtill]

Everybody needs to chill a little bit.

[Andy Kelley]

Good idea! I say we belly up to the bar and raise a few glasses.Not to be controversial but can we at least agree that the wrong side won the Civil War?

[charlie cleveland]

brad sure is a first rate gunsmith this gun is very nice and i like those bronze liners... charlie

[Russ Jackson]

Bruce , Is this one of your Guns ,it is a very nice compliment to that beautiful C Grade 20 with the Roundell Engraving ! I especially like the Opening lever and the screws are beautiful in the " After Pictures " ! Am I correct in saying ,Brad Recolored this gun , it appears to have been " Patinaed so as not to look " Brand New " ,am I correct ? This is what we are going for on my 28 that Brad is working on now ! I hope mine turns out as well ! Beautiful ! Thank you for Posting ! Russ

[George M. Purtill]

Good idea! I say we belly up to the bar and raise a few glasses.Not to be controversial but can we at least agree that the wrong side won the Civil War?

I am from Connecticut but I was schooled in the South at Thomas Jefferson's school so I really am torn here. But if you bring some good shine to the Vintagers we can drink those Brits under the table.

[Mark Ouellette]

Bruce Day,

Did the owner of the subject Parker ask Brad Bachelder to re-caseharden this Parker but to make the colors to appear as if the gun wasn't restored yesterday?

Brad has the skill to do this if requested.

[wayne goerres]

Curiosity has gotten the best of me, so I'll ask. When they resleve a shotgun barrel do they undercut the barrel between the chanber area and the muzzle or do they turn the new barrel to the inside dimentions of the old barrel and then press it into the old barrel. Do they have to disasemble the old barrels. Sorry if this is a dumb question.

[Andy Kelley]

George, hope to meet you at Vintagers . We can discuss the genius of Stonewall Jackson and the courtly chivalry of Jeb Stuart!

[Daryl Corona]

Who knows? If Jackson had been alive and commanded at Gettysburg and Stuart had done his job of intelligence instead of capturing supplies, maybe the right side would have won the war.

[Drew Hause]

Wayne: here are images of the process, and said 20g
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/20580224

[Paul Ehlers]

Curiosity has gotten the best of me, so I'll ask. When they resleve a shotgun barrel do they undercut the barrel between the chanber area and the muzzle or do they turn the new barrel to the inside dimentions of the old barrel and then press it into the old barrel. Do they have to disasemble the old barrels. Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Wayne,

Your question is a long way's from being dumb. Unfortunately the full answer would be a very in-depth discussion on machining practices. The short anwser for lining a barrel like this one appears to be done is.

1. To keep it the same gauge as original. The bore would need to bored/reamed oversized. Then a new liner machined to the new bore size though slightly O.D over sized and then press fit into the barrel & then finish bored for final I.D. diamensions & choke constrictions.

2. It would be easier to drop it down one or more gauge size. The reason it would be easier is you wouldn't need to bore the barrel wall thickness as thin, so you could retain the original gauge size. The liner could also have thicker walls as well & be an easier machining process. Please keep in mind though that no matter how this is done it is a very difficult & time consuming process that would cost lots of shop time this day and age.

Looking at the liners in this gun I suspect the material used was brass rather than bronze. I base this simply on the color of the liner. Brass is yellow toward gold in color. Bronze leans to more of a brownish color.

Bruce;
Are these full length liners on this gun? or are they just chamber and choke liners?

[Brian Stucker]

Drew, that is a pretty cool process. Sure looks like those bbls. will last forever. I've often looked at those Heritage guns and thought about getting one someday. Those English guns have really pretty lines and have great engraving. Maybe someday.

[Jeff Kuss]

Mine and the one Bruce is showing, is a full length liner.

[George Lander]

Who knows? If Jackson had been alive and commanded at Gettysburg and Stuart had done his job of intelligence instead of capturing supplies, maybe the right side would have won the war.

We defininetly would have a different White House & Congress:bigbye:

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

That's right George, and a different kitchen and staff, Let me see? shrimp and grits for breakfast, or flounder and grits, dinner on the go country ham biscuit, and for supper, corn bread collards and fried pork chops, damn my mouth is already watering. and yes dinner is at lunch in the south and supper is the evening meal, my dear momma could do a job on those dishes. Gary

[Tom Carter]

Gary, You need to have the River Room's shrimp and grits while you're here in Georgetown at the October meeting. Cheers, Tom

[Mills Morrison]

The Rice Paddy is my favorite restaurant in Georgetown, but I don't think I have tried the River Room

[David Dwyer]

Unfortunately , the Rice Patty sold last year,went up 20% on their prices and cut their wine glass size in half! UGG! Try River Room or Portifinios
David

PS I live in Georgetown

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

I will surely try them have not had good shrimp and grits since my mother passed12years ago, Gary

[David Dwyer]

Gary
The shrimp and grits at River Room is outstanding!! If you really like it, I hear Mark Conrad has the receit
David

Receit is southern for recipe y'all

[Paul Harm]

Russ, it's a two hour trip over to Brads . He showed me some barrels being done but no 28ga.

[Mills Morrison]

Unfortunately , the Rice Patty sold last year,went up 20% on their prices and cut their wine glass size in half! UGG! Try River Room or Portifinios
David

PS I live in Georgetown



That is bad news. My wife and I love that place. We will try River Room or Portifino's. We are having the same problem down in Savannah with all of our old favorites closing or having bad changes. :crying:

[Dennis V. Nix]

Andy, I noticed your post was sort of forgotten about regarding which side won the Civil War. I would love to answer it by saying the Northern Aggressors did win as they should have but in the end the United States of America won that war. Thank God for A. Lincoln.

Dennis

[George Lander]

"Save your old Confederate money 'cause the South's gwine to rise agin" If you don't believe it just take a look at Atlanta.

Best Regards, George

[Mills Morrison]

Atlanta is not the South.

By the way, what was this thread supposed to be about?

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Pork Chops and collards, good whiskey and an occasional look at a a Parker restoration. Damn, life is good!

[Paul Ehlers]

Wayne: here are images of the process, and said 20g
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/20580224

Drew,

Great pictorial of a re-sleeve job, Thanks for posting it !!

But this is a different process than a bore re-lining which was done to the featured gun in this thread.

[Mills Morrison]

Does anyone know if barrel lining is still available? What happened to Teague?

[Chris Travinski]

Drew, Who did the work on the first set of barrels, the set that was tig welded? Excellent job.

[George Lander]

Atlanta is not the South.

By the way, what was this thread supposed to be about?

Spoken as a true Savannahonian, BTW Mills is that great old bording house still in business in Savannah. The name escapes me but was it : Mrs.-----? Great food served family style.

P.S. I believe that the thread originally had something to do with Parker shotguns and Brad Bachelder restoring them.

Best Regards, George:bigbye:

[Mills Morrison]

Mrs. Wilkes . . . yes it is. Have not been there recently, but it is good. Paula Deen is overrated.

[Andy Kelley]

Dennis in another life you must have been a diplomat since I find your comments well intentioned but perhaps insensitive to those of us who still believe in the lost cause. I know the Gettysburg address has become part of the American iconography but to me it will always be Picketts charge that pulls at my heart.
I think Parker shotguns, appreciation of history, and love of this great country are very much intertwined. Thank you Dennis.

[Russ Jackson]

Russ, it's a two hour trip over to Brads . He showed me some barrels being done but no 28ga.

Paul ,Thanks for the reply ,I know Brad has been working barrels at the present ,I am having my 28 Case Colored , a new Pad fit wood refinish etc. , I would have never done anything to a gun such as this except ,it had already been Recased and wore a Kerrs of Beverly Hills Pad , Brad is fitting an correct Original Period Spurred Pad which I am certain will be much nicer ! Just figured If you happened to have a tour of Brads shop or a look around since we are all PGCA Members ,Brad might have given you a look at some of the other Parkers in house ! Best ; Russ

[Pete Lester]

I became a confederate sympathizer during the Clinton years and remain one today :)

[Drew Hause]

Steve Bertram became the US representative of Teague barrel lining about 2010, but it's my understanding that there were problems with bonding the liner to original barrel and the service is no longer offered http://www.teagueprecisionchokesltd.co.uk/index.html

[Paul Harm]

Oh I've toured the shop and looked at many fine guns he's working on but anymore he gets chewed out for a 10 minute lunch and claims he's " grounded " till he gets a little more caught up with work. And seeing how he's working on my gun also I don't like to take up too much of his time just talking.

[George Lander]

I became a confederate sympathizer during the Clinton years and remain one today :)

And if you had the intestinal fortitude to watch "Slick Willie" and his friend on the tube last night you might also be wondering what all those nice looking people in the audience thinking? For me, I'm at a loss.

Best Regards, George:banghead:

[George Lander]

Mrs. Wilkes . . . yes it is. Have not been there recently, but it is good. Paula Deen is overrated.

Thanks Mills, Next time I'm down that way I'll be sure to stop in. BTW is The Pirate House still in businnes & how would you rate it now?

Just Wondering, George

[Mills Morrison]

The Pirate's House is still in business. It is ok - not too good and not too bad. Savannah does not really have a great seafood place anymore. It is more like some of the better restaurants have good seafood entrees. Sundae Cafe on Tybee Island is one of the best.

[ken larson]

Super Parker Bruce!!!!!!!!! Its nice to see the quality work Brad does!!!!!!

[Bruce Day]

Thanks Ken. This one belongs to a close friend. I have another little 16 ga CHE that he will do next. That one is a particularly nice C and deserves some restoration.

[Travis Sims]

I have a set of these tubes, somewhere I think. Mine are 16ga tubes that fit a 12ga barrel.
Boy does it add weight.

Bruce is that 20 barrel heavy?

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Andy, go over to the off topic site I want to tell you something about Pickets charge

[George Lander]

The Pirate's House is still in business. It is ok - not too good and not too bad. Savannah does not really have a great seafood place anymore. It is more like some of the better restaurants have good seafood entrees. Sundae Cafe on Tybee Island is one of the best.

Mills: There used to be a great seafood place on Thunderbolt but I can't remember the name of it. It was right on the docks.

Best Regards, George

[calvin humburg]

That is a neet gun I would like to have with thoes liners. Looks like Brad got the barrels and the top of the receiver flush again. Looked like the barrels were a little low in before picture maybe not??? Can't wate to see your CHE when he is done. I didn't remember you said is was a 16 very cool.

[Ronald Moore]

Mills: There used to be a great seafood place on Thunderbolt but I can't remember the name of it. It was right on the docks.

Best Regards, George

Teeples Seafood Restaurant was one of my favorite places on Tybee, do not know if they are still in bussiness.

Ron Moore

[Dave Fuller]

Brad is a great guy. Everything he's done for me has been top shelf, on time, and as discussed. Wouldn't send my guns to anyone else... and he ain't exactly close to Oregon.

[Paul Harm]

It's been a bad weekend. Yesterday I drove the new zero turn lawnmower in my pond. It'll be ok - drained everything and fired it up. Today on my second shot at SC's my C grade 1894 Remington broke in half at the wrist. I've always been very carefull with it being my most expensive gun - never dropped or hit it against anything. If it was any of my other guns I'd put it back togeather myself. Even the trigger guard broke where it screws into the receiver. I took a shot and was standing there with the stock in one hand and the rest in the other. Broke right behind the tangs. Finished with Daves gun. Oh well, looks like Brad gets this one when I pick up a couple of others he has of mine.

[charlie cleveland]

who have you made mad that would wish such bad luck on you PAUL.my remington 94 done the same thing a few years back hunting doves.does make a person feel bad..had to laugh at the lawn mower trick... charlie

[wayne goerres]

I had an LC Smith two barrel set matching serial no . Don't remember the grade but fired only one round (bp at that) and it split right down the rist into the but stock. Made me sick. I guess all stocks can dry out.

[Paul Harm]

Charlie, I have three other 1894s and all are quite thin at the wrist. Maybe this is why Parker put rods in the stock. Sure wish Remington had done the same. Would have saved me some money.

[Rich Anderson]

Your to old to drink and mow the lawn at the same time:nono:

[Paul Harm]

Wish I would have thought of that. Next time I'll just drink.