I need advice please....

[Lee St.Clair]

]Not sure if this is the place to requst this.....but have been given a parker shot gun. I have no desire to keep it. I have no idea what its worth. Any advice I might get on going about trying to find out its value and the best way to sell it would be greatly appreciated. Am near Toledo Ohio. Thank you very much.
PHE 12 ga double barrel frame 2 34 inch barrel full/mod. 203984 circa 1923

Tried to add url of pics.....did not work....will try again later....sighs.

[George Lander]

Lee: Post the serial number and a general description of your gun and many here will be happy to respond with their advice.

Best Regards, George Lander

[David Dwyer]

Lee
Tell us about the Parker: Grade, gage, ser #, condition, Barrel type and length and show us some really good in focus pictures and we will try and help
David

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Save our time on here and put it up on www.gunbroker.com you'll get what it's worth if you have decent pics. We're a site for Parker collectors and shooters, not for evaluation of guns for sale. We'd like to have a for sale section on here but apparently that's not going to be allowed.

DLH

[Lee St.Clair]

Sorry to take your time sir. I put it on gunbroker....ask the expert. Was told 750 by one person. I have already been offered 1500 and 2200 for the gun. I am not a gun collector. I know not alot about guns. Was just trying not to get taken. Am sorry I have 'wasted' your time. Perhaps I can find some kind people willing to help me else where. Thank you for your time. Have a blessed day!!!!

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Buddy there are guys on here that know more about Parker shotguns than anybody in the world, but we all own and shoot them. If we had a for sale page on here it would be a different deal, but we don't, so......

DLH

[Dean Romig]

No sense making him feel welcome here, right? :shock:

[Travis Sims]

Destry......
Taking your frustrations out on someone not familar with this forum just because the forum doesn't allow a "guns for sale" section, isn't a cause for the rudeness you displayed toward him.
Good job dude........you done your good deed for the day. you should be proud!

[Pat Dugan]

Destry is right, a lot of these people just want to know how much money they can get out of their inherited or stolen Parkers. Remember the man that had the transition 16 GA VHE Parker that was part made in Meridian and assembled and marked Illion. It was a stolen Parker. Yes let them go to Gunbroker, maybe they will get caught.

PDD

[Travis Sims]

Yes......of course, he's guilty before proven innocent!:rolleyes:

[Dean Romig]

If we can't be gentlemen (and at least give newcomers "the time of day" and answer a few questions) but rather treat them like trolls and theives then we are nothing more than thugs and bullies. Pretty poor form, I say.

[Lee St.Clair]

First of all I am a she.ty. This gun was a gift from a club member of a private duck hunting club on Lakle Erie to the caretaker in 1923. That caretaker was my great grandfather. I purchased the gun from a relative in 1985 and gave it to my father for Christmas, as it was his grandfathers. It was recently given back to me.
As I stated in my original post I did not know if this was the venue to request such assistance. I was not specifically asking for a value of the gun, just for my best way to go about finding that value and my best way to sell as to not be takin advantage of.
And alas, I find myself more frustrated from my experience on this forum then assisted.
Is sad that a few 'unhappy'(if that is the right word) guys had to dampen my experience.
I live right down the road from the nat'l rifle matches....so if any of you guys(the nice ones only please) go to the matches stop by next summer.....I'll show you around a marsh that presidents have hunted!! smiles.

[Dave Fuller]

I agree with Dean, people here should show some courtesy and welcome new people to the forum. If the man (or woman) has a gun she's trying to learn more about before she sells it - good for her. That said, if people expect to drop in here get bids for Grandpa's gun with vague descriptions, they are wasting digital space. If you really want to learn something about a gun, post the spec.s, including the serial number, along with some pictures and you'll get more information than you may have wanted, including valuation advice. Lee: give these guys more info, they'll help you. I've learned a lot from this site.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I'll just bow out and let the "gentlemen" take over.

We don't sell guns on here and this was essentially an offer to sell, let's all keep that in mind.

DLH

P.S. I'm happy as a clam.

[Harry Collins]

Lee,

I am going out on a limb here and say that I am sorry about your Father. For whatever reasn he is no longer the care taker of this Parker.

Yor Parker is indeed a 1923 12 gauge PHE with 34" Parker Steel barrels and capped pistol grip. This would be a very desirable Parker depending on condition. Please email the pictures to me and I will be able to post them here this afternoon. hmcollins2@hotmail.com

You may not want to keep this Parker, but someone in the family may. You might offer it around to them first.

Kindest, Harry

[Bill Bolyard]

Lee was nice enough to forward the pics to me here you go.

[David Dwyer]

Destry
That was rude! I would like to see people welcomed here not insulted. I run into quite a few people who just need an informed opinion on their Parker and its value. I for one like to help people if I can .
David:duck:

[Bill Bolyard]

Lee,

It appears that Parker only made 5 PH guns with Parker steel barrels in the 34" length. Your gun also has ejectors which may be a one of a kind.:shock:

[Ed Blake]

I bet that thing has shot skads of ducks. Someone here could give it a good home. Let's see, who here likes those long 34" barrels?

[David Hamilton]

This is the kind of Parker Destry loves! Nice gun! Hold on to it if you can as family guns have an especial place in the the hearts of Parker collectors. David

[Lee Lohman]

[QUOTE=Destry L. Hoffard;6619]Buddy there are guys on here that know more about Parker shotguns than anybody in the world, but we all own and shoot them. If we had a for sale page on here it would be a different deal, but we don't, so......

DLH[/QUOTe

Funny, I thought she was wanting to know what her gun was valued at. To me there is a big difference between selling a gun on a board and asking for an apprasial or estimate of worth or where to find info on value.
Keep in mind next time before you attempt to chase someone off , you don't have to read the thread . You are free to go onto the next topic.

[Ray Masciarella]

Wow, I'm new here and should probably keep quite but I sought advice and have had a great experience but I see things can get down right nasty.

Ray

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Wow, all I can say is Wow.....

The White Knights are out in force this evening.


Destry

[Russ Jackson]

Gentlemen ;I prefer to stay out of these forays " but " I think, and just my opinion and as they say opinions are like A$$ H'Ls ,every body has one ! I think Destry just called it like he saw it ,maybe a little rough around the edges but ,I don't know if any one else noticed ,on 10/ 31 ,I made a post about not being able to get on gun broker and if you go to the Parker discussion page and scroll down you will see this lady answered my question saying " she had a Parker on there for sale and couldn't get on to show the Pics. she had available ,which tells me also ,she already knew what she wanted for her Parker and also knew the SER # model # and enough about the gun that I agree with Destry ,she was trolling in a shallow lake ! I agree with the body ,we all have to be courteous but like Destry reminded us earlier ,This I believe was a sales pitch ! Again ,Just my own Humble opinion ! Russ

[Lee St.Clair]

Gentlemen ;I prefer to stay out of these forays " but " I think, and just my opinion and as they say opinions are like A$$ H'Ls ,every body has one ! I think Destry just called it like he saw it ,maybe a little rough around the edges but ,I don't know if any one else noticed ,on 10/ 31 ,I made a post about not being able to get on gun broker and if you go to the Parker discussion page and scroll down you will see this lady answered my question saying " she had a Parker on there for sale and couldn't get on to show the Pics. she had available ,which tells me also ,she already knew what she wanted for her Parker and also knew the SER # model # and enough about the gun that I agree with Destry ,she was trolling in a shallow lake ! I agree with the body ,we all have to be courteous but like Destry reminded us earlier ,This I believe was a sales pitch ! Again ,Just my own Humble opinion ! Russ

Here is my post you are referring to(I copy and pasted it):

Gun Broker still down? I still can't get on....have a parker have posted questions about in there and they wanted pics...have pics now and can't get on!!!! sighs

The questions were posted in 'ask the expert'...as I look at my post I see nothing that says it was 'for sale'. Please get your facts staright sir, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[Ray Masciarella]

I knew I should have stayed out of this.
Now I'm a "White Knight" which I guess is some type of derogatory term. No, I'm not a "White Knight". Was just making an observation.
No fair minded person who has read this stuff would disagree that the tone of this whole thing is not very friendly. Again, just an observation. I have no side to choose. Sorry I spoke up. Have at it. I'll stay out of it from here on out.

[Robert Rzepiela]

Can someone remind me why this website does not have "for sale section" ? I do not understand rationale of not allowing official "sale" postings while all the other shotgun websites have no problems with it. I mean "official" as I am pretty sure that if someone who starts a listing with " I have 20ga DHE which I have inherited and would like to know value ..." will get multiple offers by the end of the day from people who are members here and do not mind dealing "under the table".

[John Dunkle]

Well stated, Bruce...

John

[John Davis]

The following is the official Policy concerning Gun Sales as adopted by the Board of Directors. I hope this will help to clarify the Boards position.

"The question of a forum for the sale and purchase of guns via the PGCA website has once again been raised and considered by the Board of Directors. It is a primary goal of the PGCA to provide benefits to its members not otherwise readily available to them. The Question and Answer Forum, Your Parkers Age, Parker Grades, Parker ID, and Research Letters as offered on the PGCA website all meet this criteria. The sale of guns however does not. There are a number of web locations that already fill this particular need. Additionally there is the time and effort expended by valuable resources versus the return which must be considered. But when there are so many different sites available to the user, one must consider whether it is judicious to ask a volunteer to commit precious resources on duplication. The Board has determined that this is one of those instances and that it is not in the best interest of the PGCA or its members to expend such energy on this particular project. The PGCA will however provide links from its website to those websites which provide gun sale services."

[John Davis]

I would like to also add the following note concerning proper etiquette:

Chicago Field, March 18, 1876. “To Correspondents. - Correspondence is always acceptable, but it must be borne in mind that while we are ever ready to attack and expose corrupt practices wherever they may exist, the columns of this journal can be used neither to vent personal spite nor as a vehicle for billings gate. We are driven to these remarks from having received several communications of an abusive and personal character. It is the duty of a journal; as of an individual, to avoid wounding unnecessarily the feelings of any person. When there are disagreements or cause for bad blood between individuals, one is often as much to blame as the other. At any rate these quarrels are interesting only to the parties concerned, while they disgust the other readers of a paper. It is our purpose to publish a high toned journal, consequently all such matter is out of place in our columns. We like a spirited controversy as much as any one, but at the same time it must be on a subject in which our readers are interested and are to be benefitted; and the rules of etiquette in vogue among gentlemen must not be violated. Therefore the writers of those letters referred to will understand that we decline publishing such communications now and hereafter.”

[glenfoxman]

My advice would be... (the rest edited by John D....)

[John Dunkle]

Interesting reply... IF you'd like to post again, please contact me explaining your post..

Thanks,

John
(BTW - I removed the LINK in your SIG - have a wonderful day..)

[George Lander]

Lee: I don't know what the problem is with some folks here, but it seems like you have a fairly rare Parker. PH Grade 12 bore with 34 inch Parker Special Steel (fluid steel) barrels and ejectors. I would say it's worth quite a bit more that you say you were offered. To me you asked a very legitimate question.

Just My Humble Opinion.........George

[Jim Williams]

The board and many long time and active life members do not want the forum to be a forum for discord and hard feeling, but they want it to promote the collecting and education of Parkers.

Bruce - I'm not singling you out or directing this at you personally, but rather the philosophy itself (of which as I write this I am under the impression you are neither advocating nor condemning). I have seen more discord and hard feelings erupt because of the no-sales policy than anything else on the forum (this thread is a perfect example). It usually happens when a newcomer posts about a Parker they have been given but don't wish to keep. Then someone (sometimes rightly, sometimes not) accuses them of willfully attempting to skirt the policy of the forum and...this is where it ends up. I remember a few years ago, a member was permanently banned for viciously attacking an innocent newcomer over something like this, and just wouldn't let up.

That is the reason I would like to see the policy changed. I have never sold a Parker, and don't have any intentions of doing so. I plan on keeping a gun when I buy it. I also have no belief that I would buy a gun offered for sale here, because there are a lot more serious players in this arena than me and any gun that I would be interested in would probably be snapped up before I ever logged-on. But for now, it is the policy and unless it is changed those are the rules and we should expect everyone to follow them.

If anyone were to ask my opinion (and they didn't) I would say that it would be best if we were to give newcomers the benefit of the doubt and gently make them aware of the policy in a friendly manner the same way John Dunkle does with the endless mis-use of Usernames when newcomers register. If they were to ignore the friendly warning, then a more stern warning (to include the possibility of being banned) would be in order.

Jim

[Jim Williams]

Hmmm. I may be missing something. As I understand your last post, it isn't what I'm talking about. Of the links available here that I'm familiar with, none are sites where an individual can sell a gun except doublegunshop.com. But even if there were, the seller can't mention it here.

If I'm reading your post right, it only applies to people looking for advice on guns they want to buy. I've really never seen that to be an issue. As you said, they just post a link or item number here and ask for opinions, which are usually given freely.

Forgive me if I misunderstood!

Jim

[Bill Bolyard]

Francis,

I have seen on the other web sites where people with guns for sale have had there guns nit picked apart to the point where they take the ads down.
More to the point, I am really disappointed in the way Lee was treated, I mean really, insinuating it was a stolen gun. You all are a lot better then this. I doubt that Lee will ever be back on this board, it really is a shame. Just my thoughts.

Bill

[Bill Murphy]

After all this ridiculous banter, I emailed the lady to offer her information on her gun. After four pages on this thread, she hasn't gotten any. I'm sure I'm not the first to contact her.

[Andrew Thompson]

Did anyone else want to weigh in? If we keep this up, fox tv will be calling about a reality show. Lots of drama here.

[Lee St.Clair]

Gentlemen and gentlewomen,
I know not what to say. I had to stay away from this site for a few days because my head was reeling, and I was restless. The restlessness I thought was from the negative responses and what I seemed to have stirred up on your forum. In retrospect it was much more than that. Deep down I do not want to sell this gun.
Reading these forums.....how passionate all you are about your 'parkers' just made it harder for me to continue on the path I was on.
With great passion emotions are closer to the surface. And I think that is clearly shown in this thread. smiles. Passion is a good thing.
Those that came to my defense without knowing me.....thank you so very much. It warms my heart. smiles. That shows compassion. And is a very good thing.
Thank you so much to those who emailed me offering assistance, if it was to help me get a value on the gun or to purchase it for youe own collection.
I know not at this time what I am going to do. A serious attempt was made yesterday to persuade me to keep the gun(Thank you). If eventually I do decide to sell I will contact those that have contacted me interested in this parker.
Overall my experience on here has been a positive one. Thank you for those that started this organization and maintains it. I plan on continuing to read the forum from time to time as I have thouroughly enjoyed reading some threads(other than mine....smiles).
Blessing to all, Lee

[Dean Romig]

Lee, thank you for coming back to us and for forgiving the more passionate of us. It is good to know that you will drop in from time to time. You're a special person.

Dean

[Cheryl Cudney]

Hello out there. I am in need of some help and advice. I have a very
old V model 12 gauge serial # 144173 Vulcan Steel barrel ~ Not a Damascus
twist. I had someone look at it to get this information as I would have
no clue what to post. This person is a serious gun collector and he had
a fellow collector also look at the gun. I am going on what they told me to
post. This is approx 1906-1907. The heel plate is in good shape, not cracked chipped or broken. There is a crack in the stock at the tang ~ I was told
it was easily repaired. There is a very small scratch on the barrel (darn kids)
I have it stored at this persons house in a gun safe so I will have to get
pictures. According to his opinion ~ and he is very humble ( ha ) and his friends opinion ~ if not for the crack and the small scratch they felt it was 50-60%.
I am hoping that if I post pictures that someone out there might be able to
direct me in the best way to sell this gun and a fair reasonable price to ask for it. These collectors thought somewhere between $1500 and $2500. This was in my fathers family and I know I should keep it that way, but my husband passed away and I have a need to sell. Thank you for any reply.
Cheryl

[Robert Rzepiela]

Put your gun on the gunbroker.com. Because someone here or there says it is worth 1500-2500, it does not mean there is someone else willing to pay so. If you want to sell your gun at the current market price, gunbroker.com will do it for you..

BTW, you are in plenty of trouble here the way it is ...Also 50% 12ga VH will not fall into this price range... next time someone tells you so, tell them to put money on the table.

[Lee St.Clair]

Hello Ms Antiquefreak,
This is a great place for your gun to get assessed. There are guys on here that know parkers inside and out. They have taught me alot!! I now knopw more about parkers than I ever imagined. And I too started knowing little specifically about parkers a few weeks ago.
First....you need to change your name....in the forum rules you are to use your name.
I started this thread(this post) a few weeks ago, with the same intent as you. The parker I have was my great grandfathers, I have since decided to keep it related to some wonderful guys on here(I am a she also). If I were you....I would reregister for this site with full and name start a new thread....please email me, I will help you all I can and relate to you some things you might expect....:). toosanger@yahoo.com Blessings to you, Lee