What do you think of this?

[Chris Travinski]

What do you guys think of this one? It's supposed to be original unfired. I have seen it for sale before. Everything looks nice and crisp, but the case colors seem a little too muted, and the lever looks like it has a cyanide finish. I have my doubts, the real deal, or a nice refinish? Nice gun either way.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Parker-GHE-12-gauge-MINT.cfm?gun_id=100250578

[Bill Murphy]

Nice gun.

[Dean Romig]

Yes, it is an extremely nice GHE but unfortunately the "unfired" claim is unfounded. There are circular primer impact marks around the firing pin holes on the standing breech. These impact marks would not be found on an unfired gun... but it sure hasn't been fired much!

BTW, in my opinion it has not been refinished.

[Ray Masciarella]

I never understood the claim "unfired" since all guns were and are fired at factory. What is an "unfired" gun?

Dean, how many times does a gun need to be fired before those rings appear?

[Dean Romig]

I suspect it could happen with just one firing.

I've seen and examined unfired guns and there is absolutely no evidence on the standing breech of any kind of impact marks.

I know they were test fired and patterned at the factory and how they came from the factory with no impact marks is a mystery to me.

[Bobby Cash]

I know B.C. Kinsey. http://www.bckinsey.com/
I purchased a beautiful Parker VH 20 from him several years ago when he ran the Kansas City Cabela's Gun Library and in fact just bought a 2 barrel 28 gauge RBL yesterday. I find him to be knowledgeable, honest and a pleasure to deal with.. I would highly recommend him.


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk136/2low8s/946563_parkvh20_02l_kc.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk136/2low8s/f6f39ea66c326297ca2828b574c0f812.jpg

[Dean Romig]

Nice VH Bobby and a splendid RBL too.

My observation on the GHE is not meant to be any kind of comment on the seller but the gun speaks for itself.

[Ray Masciarella]

Maybe the rings were polished out and frame recolor touch up?

[Dean Romig]

We may never know.

[Bobby Cash]

Just ask.

http://www.bckinsey.com/


I lifted this image off of his website.
Maybe I was wrong, he does look kind of shifty. :rotf:



http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk136/2low8s/3df009099aa872823acbd14a9e935963.jpg

[Steve Huffman]

Sure drinks alot of something !

[Bruce Day]

B C says in the Guns International ad that "the gun has obviously been fired". Where you fellows are finding his statement that the gun has not been fired, I haven't a clue.

Case colors are extremely hard to accurately photograph. We have had Parker Pages articles about being cautious in making statements about guns, particularly adverse statements, on the basis of photos without personal examination.

Looks like a potentially fine, collector quality gun warranting close personal examination if a person was interested in buying.

[Mark Landskov]

The ad states that there is a note from the second owner, indicating that Runge did the engraving and that the gun was unfired. The present owner feels that the gun has been 'fired sparingly' since this note was written.

[Ray Masciarella]

Since it is very unlikely a Parker has "never" been "fired" it probably makes no real difference if you like what you see. I wish the guns I own had only been fired 100 times each! Seems like a really nice gun but expensive!!! I have bought guns like this before and then regretted it because they were too nice to taking hunting!!!

[Mark Ouellette]

I have bought guns like this before and then regretted it because they were too nice to taking hunting!!!

Roger that Ray!

I love a beautiful gun but I think that each of my guns deserves to be shot and hunted. I have a few safe queens that are hopefully appreciating in value. Even with them, I gingerly shoot a few ducks and geese over a pond. If I owned a gun like the subject one, it would do the same!

Mark

[Bobby Cash]

Sure drinks alot of something !

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk136/2low8s/3df009099aa872823acbd14a9e935963.jpg

I've done some digging and came up with the following dirt on this most unsavory character.

After being thrown out of no less than 8 midwestern universities and finally both Harvard and Yale (where he was studying to become a nuclear rocket brain surgeon) B.C. became a legend on the underground Roe Sham Boe circuit.

Now he crashes weddings and Bar Mitzvahs and plays unwitting party guests for their drinks. After an evenings consumption of his ill gotten gains you might hear him mutter (in a drunken stupor),"Rock may crush scissors, but paper always smothers rock".

He in fact posed for the following emoticons; :cheers: :glug: and signs all his correspondance "Cheers".

Draw your own conclusions

:biglaugh:

http://www.bckinsey.com/

[Bruce Day]

I came on here in defense of my buddy B C but now I see him for the rascal Nebraskan that he is. He often has nice guns and good sources.

[Chris Travinski]

This post has taken a turn in the wrong direction, I have no reason to question this guy's intentions. Please don't interpret this post as an attempt to bash B C Kinsey, I have corresponded with him via e-mail before and he has been nothing less than a gent to me. The thing that caught my eye on this gun was the opening lever, it looks like a cyanide color job while the rest of the gun is bone charcoal. Once again I came to source for the experts opinions because I thought that was the point of this site, not to bash a guy trying to make a living.

[Dean Romig]

Chris, it does look like cyanide color on the lever. I would like to see the forend latch to see if that too was cyanide colored too. Remington may have been hardening some of the smaller parts with the cyanide process and the larger parts such as the frame and forend iron with the bone charcoal process... There could be any number of explanations for this... perhaps it went back to Remington at a later date to replace the lever... who knows.... ?

[Steve Huffman]

Why would the roll pin be out of line ?

[calvin humburg]

I think it's a nice Rem. Parker I would carry.