An Invincible Trojan?

[Greg Baehman]

Is it a 16, or is it a 12? Is it an ejector, or is it an extractor? Whatever it is, it is over-the-top, eh?
http://www.gunsinternational.com/PRKER-PACMYAR-INVINCIBLE-GRADE.cfm?gun_id=100244013

[Scott Janowski]

:rotf:I think Frank was mad at his money.

[David Holes]

That is the prettiest trojan wood I have seen.

[Rick Losey]

but a Trojan - REALLY - he couldn't afford to start with a VHE?? :rolleyes:

[Eric Estes]

Well if for some reason you wanted to comission a full coverage engraving/wood project like this a Trojan is the closest thing to a blank canvas you can get. Makes a strange kind of sense. Something else though.

[Paul Stafford]

I've seen several of these pacmyar upgrades. They are all quite beautiful but again this is the first Trojan. Looks good, but priced high for a pacmyar. Just my two cents.

[Dean Romig]

To each his own, but as far as Trojan upgrades go I prefer this one.



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[Paul Stafford]

Wow very nice

[Jerry Harlow]

For that kind of money one would think he would time the bottom screws before posting photos.

[George Lander]

Is it really a Trojan or a grade or two higher. There is no view where the rib meets the standing breach.

Just Wondering.....George

[Greg Baehman]

The ad says it's a 16, the book says it's a 12. The ad says it's an ejector, the book says it's an extractor. I guess I can understand the possibility of aftermarket ejectors, but the ad looks as if was written by someone that...nvermnd.

[calvin humburg]

Dean, how come that Trojan does not have the frame style of most. Has the mock Dolls Head like mine. Thats one nice Parker! Yours?

[Brian Dudley]

The Simulated breech clips are interesting to say the least. And I see the screw timing has already been mentoned.

[Bill Murphy]

Dean, who built the gun you pictured? Does it have ejectors? As for the Pachmayr gun, the seller does not always describe his guns accurately. It may be an extractor gun, but Pachmayr was probably capable of doing an ejector conversion.

[Dean Romig]

Bill I have no idea who upgraded the Trojan I posted. I pulled the pics off a web auction site like gunbroker or another. I just liked it so much that I burglerized the pictures.

[Bill Murphy]

B. Dudley, what are the "simulated breech clips" you refer to and on which gun are they displayed? The question that Calvin asked about the frame shaping on Dean's post can be answered. The frame was filed to shape by a very talented gunsmith to a more attractive profile than an original Trojan. Such filing is done today by gunsmiths such as Dewey Vicknair, Dan Rossiter, Steven Dodd Hughes, and some few others.

[Rick Losey]

I would guess Brian is referring to the decoration on the side at the the back of the barrels on the Trojan-- sort of side clip look to them but a little undersized

http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings/100244013-2-L.JPG

[Bill Murphy]

Oh, now I see it, engraved sideclips. By the way, another upgraded Trojan was done years ago by New York engraver Steve Olin. It is worth looking at if you ever get the opportunity. I have no idea who owns it now. A Trojan is a good basis for upgrading if you have a set of non ejector Parker barrels with a severely damaged doll's head to use. How about a 32" Damascus Trojan. If you have a rough set of Damascus barrels in either #1 or #2 frame size, cut off the doll's head and install them on a Trojan. What a great project gun that would make. Our late friend, Russ Bickel, installed Trojan barrels on a late hammer gun to make a very nice serious shooting gun. Now that Russ is gone, another Parker smith should take up his method of installing hammerless barrels on hammer guns. He claimed it was a piece of cake. Of course, that was Russ Bickel talking.

[Mike Poindexter]

By the way, another upgraded Trojan was done years ago by New York engraver Steve Olin. It is worth looking at if you ever get the opportunity. I have no idea who owns it now.

Bill: An Olin engraved 12 ga A1S upgraded Trojan was sold in Denver a few years ago by MW Reynolds, Ltd. for around $8K. I have no idea who bought it, but I followed the gun from its upgrade in the 90's by Denver gunsmith Gene Hopper, who told me he, "just wanted to see if he could do it," who sold it restocked and in the white to Bill Molnar of "The Gun Room" on Broadway in Denver, who then commissioned the engraving by Olin, the checkering by I forget who, the final rust bluing and case hardening by Turnbull, and the stock finish by I never knew who. It was finished in about 1998. Molnar kept it for over 10 years before consigning it to Reynolds. Just like the one in Dean's pictures, Gene hand-filed out the frame panels and the bolsters around the breechballs, and the American Black Walnut stock had some of the darkest prettiest feather you could hope for, and wood to metal fit that was almost impossibly perfect. The more I look at it, the more the green pad and cabinet finish in the background look like Reynold's store to me, so this may be Gene's gun when Reynolds posted it on GunsAmerica. I just don't remember the gold inlay on the trigger guard. As anyone who knows double guns in the Denver area knows, Gene is one of the greatest unsung gunsmiths in the country. Semi-retired now in his 70's, he only does select work for himself and friends, and prefers wood to metal any more. I count it a blessing to know him.

[Dean Romig]

As you know, Bill, Russ was an incredibly talented gunsmith and was modest almost to a fault. There was probably scant little he couldn't do in gunsmithing.

[Bill Anderson]

Where's my Yuuuuuck!! sticker?

[Kevin McCormack]

"The Horror; the Horror......"

[Bill Murphy]

More information about engraved Trojans. I was lucky to see and inspect the Steve Olin Trojan upgrade years ago when he brought it to the Easton, MD show. Shortly after, Steve got into hot water with some of his customers and others and we never heard from him again. I don't know where the Olin "Invincible" is today. I believe the upgrade that Dean pictured is the Olin gun. It is an extension rib Trojan with action profiled like a graded Parker.