NICE LIFTER FOR SALE ON GUNBROKER

[ed good]

take a look at item 276553679. very nice, except checkering looks course to me. what do you think?

[David Holes]

Looks like that would move a gun dealer from a bottem feeder to a top feeder at 4200.00. It looks like it could be original to me, how many lifters do we see in that kind of condition? The barrels are twist so I assume it is a lower grade and the checking is course on lower grades. If the bores are as clean on the inside as outside that would be 1 screamin lifter. Dave

[ed good]

dave: have seen quite a few 0 and 1 grade lifters over the years. have never seen another one with that course checkering? never the less that gun is in wonderful condition.

the trouble with top feeding is that when you least expect it, a predator comes up from the bottom and takes a chunk out of you or worse...

[Bill Murphy]

The checkering is "coarse" and looks original to me. Coarse checkering is proper for PT guns of the era. I will try to measure the lines per inch of a similar gun when I get time.

[ed good]

hit would be nice to see pics of another one with known original "course" checkering.

[David Holes]

Ed, don't forget that pictures are not always correct looking. Dave

[Bill Murphy]

Ed, use some of the profit from your internet sales to purchase a set of The Parker Story.

[Dean Romig]

I agree with the seller's description of the gun and Bill's qualification of the checkering. Keep in mind that a good number of Parkers of that era had no checkering at all.



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[George Lander]

I have a couple lifters from the James Parker collection with no checkering at all and straight handed stocks.......George

[Bill Murphy]

My PT lifter #18,921 has 8 lines to the inch checkering. Yup, eight lines to the inch. The gun is high condition and I have no doubt the checkering is original.

[ed good]

murphy: thank you so much for your reference to the fine set of books known as "The Parker Story". over the years i did collect a significant firearms reference library...of course that was prior to the advent of the information highway, now commonly known as the internet. i now find most answers to questions that i and others have, are readily answered by a simple google search; or in this case, posing a question on an internet based forum such as this one, which is, by the way, supposed to be about parker shotguns...

oddly, you seem to want to make this forum about other things...in the future please do try to keep on topic and refrain from trashing this fine forum which is, after all, dedicated to parker shotguns.

[ed good]

as for the checkering on the gun in question, some of you brought up an interesting scenario:

i too have seen a few 0 grade hammer guns, sans checkering...which begs the question:
could the checkering on this gun have been done after factory by a novice checker, as practice?

from what i can see from the limited pictures, the pattern just does not look like parker factory work...frankly, it looks kinda like the checkering one sees on some crescent firearms guns?

i do hope i am incorrect in my suspicions regarding the origin of the checkering on this otherwise remarkably high condition parker field grade hammer gun, as it may significantly reduce it's collector value.

it would be helpful if the seller would provide direct images of the checkering on the wrist and forend, and perhaps a direct reference to a picture in "The Parker Story" or other reference work, so the controversy could be resolved in his favor.

[Bill Murphy]

I don't understand Ed's comment about me. Maybe the moderator understands it better than I do. Ed has gotten some "from the experts" information about the checkering, yet he continues to let his own opinion color his comments. Ed has made it his hobby to trash this forum and its members, has been chastised, then forgiven. He apparently doesn't appreciate the lenient treatment he has been given by our webmaster. Give it a rest, Ed. Further, Ed implies that he can get information about original Parker checkering from google.com and discounts The Parker Story as a source for expert information about that subject. He trashes the originality of a gun for sale, probably being offered by one of our members, for what reason? When I dig in my safe for an example of the checkering being discussed, my information about the exact dimensions of the checkering goes right over his head and he accuses me of going off the subject at hand. I don't understand how Ed got released from suspension from this forum, but it may not have been a good decision.

[Brian Dudley]

:banghead:

[John Dunkle]

I don't understand Ed's comment about me. Maybe the moderator understands it better than I do.....
I have absolutely no clue, either.

Best to all,

John

[Dennis V. Nix]

As a stickler for proper spelling I sure appreciate Bill's correct spelling of the word, "coarse".
Thanks, Bill. As for the rest of the disagreement I will stay out of it as I am still a beginning Parkerite.

Dennis

[Ray Pond]

Amen. I love correct spelling also and it drives me nuts when my wireless keyboard leaves out letters.Sunny day in Idaho today!

[Bill Murphy]

I really didn't mean for the correct spelling of the word to get Ed so pumped up. He is pretty good at "dishing it out" though. Oh my gosh, there are those quotation marks again. By the way, my gun with the eight lines to the inch original checkering is #18,921 and the seller's gun is #20,792, quite close together. The checkering on both are identical in appearance and spacing and I consider both to be original. I am not sure that the checkering is so much worn as very flat topped when new. I'll try to get a TPS reference.

[ed good]

bill: i have no problem with you or anyone else, so long as you refrain from personal attacks and antagonistic comments, such as:

"Ed, use some of the profit from your internet sales to purchase a set of The Parker Story."

I do sell older sxs guns on the internet and else where as a hobby and as a service to my consignment customers, who are also my friends...you seem to have a problem with that practice...why, i do not know, but your off topic comments are not appreciated and will not be tolerated.

if you think i have taken offense incorrectly, then lets just let it go and move on to more important topics having to do with parker shotguns.

[John Dunkle]

This thread is closed - as it has MORE than run its course....

However, on a final note.. Ed? I've been running, hosting, administrating web sites and forums since 1996 - so my following comment is based on that experience.

What you appear to "read into" others comments is not always the case. This thread and your reply is a wonderful example. To that point - the "Parker Story" has been recommended on this site alone - hundreds, if not thousands of times as the pinnacle of printed Parker Research both on this forum and other forums.

It does not matter if you are a dealer. Nor a collector. Nor a shooter. Nor an enthusiast. Nor a newbie. Nor "whoever" someone is. In fact...

If anyone has any interest (commercial, collector or a simpler voyeur) in Parker Shotguns - then Bill's suggestion was right on. To read anything else into his suggestion is both non-nonsensical and not on topic - as no one else read anything else into it other than a simple suggestion.

And that same suggestion occurs almost everyday on this same forum. However, by comparison, the vitriolic response to that same suggestion has never before occurred.

I hope this makes my position crystal clear on the subject and the discourse in this thread.

Have a wonderful day.

John