2 7/8" 10ga Reloading Data

[Pete Lester]

Attached is a PDF copy of the spreadsheet for loads I have been able to find so far for the short ten. The loads are exclusive of the Sherman Bell data many of us our familiar with. Please note I have given credit to the person who started the spreadsheet and shared it with me as well as citing the source of the information, some of it from the 1960's. Not all components are available today but I think the data is interesting and useful. It is obvious a variety of Alliant and IMR powders will work in the short ten. I thought it was interesting Hercules (forerunner to Alliant) did not bother to list hull type or primer type nor chamber pressure in the 1968 guide. You will need to zoom this to 200% to read it easily, I had to shrink it to keep my format in tact.

If you run across any other published loads please let me know about them and I will update this. Enjoy.

[charlie cleveland]

im printing it off rite now or i should say my wife is... thanks pete... charlie

[charlie cleveland]

boy thats a pile of reloading...5 pages worth it took me awhile last night to read all these recipes...there now in myreloading book theres some good stuff in here....thanksfor the info charlie

[Don Ay]

thanks for sharing that!

[Bill Murphy]

Very interesting information and a lot of work to compile. Thanks. There probably isn't anything in there that will blow up a good gun. However, we sure don't need any 1285 or 1300 fps loads for any reason I can think of. Try to avoid those loads or back off the powder if the pressure is high enough.

[Pete Lester]

Very interesting information and a lot of work to compile. Thanks. There probably isn't anything in there that will blow up a good gun. However, we sure don't need any 1285 or 1300 fps loads for any reason I can think of. Try to avoid those loads or back off the powder if the pressure is high enough.

Thank you Bill, it was kind of a fun task and didn't seem like work. PDF is great but Excel is very powerful tool and lets me sort the data how I desire, say by powder type or pressure or any combination. You are right when you say we don't need any 1285 to 1360 fps loads, 1150 to 1200 is where I want my loads to be. As you can see pressures were not given by Hercules in the 60's and early 70's. In spite of the lack of Rem SP hulls, 57 primers and the convenience of the SP10 wad vs card wad columns I think this gives a good idea of the powders that will work and idea of how much of them to use. If I find additional data I'll update this sheet and repost. I wrote to Alliant about loads for the short ten and my use with some of their powders, as yet no response. In the meantime I plan to use my head and play with Green Dot and Unique loadings. If they shoot consistently with good results over time I will probably send them off to Precision Reloading and get the velocity and pressure data from a 5 shot string.

[Paul Harm]

Pete, nice work - thanks - Paul

[Pete Lester]

Attached to this message is my original spreadsheet with 6 additional loads, lead and ITX shot from info published by Ballistic Products. Again you will have to zoom this to 150 or 200% for easier reading, I had to make it small to keep it on a single page across. The new loads are in yellow highlight.

[Pete Lester]

Here is a revised and updated version of my 2 7/8" 10 gauge reloading data spreadsheet. There are 10 new loads (highlighted in yellow) since the last time I posted it including some ITX, Steel and Bismuth loads. The Fed Hull with 40gr of Blue Dot and 1 1/2 ounce of Bismuth looks like a very promising goose load and it is less than 8000 psi.

All Non-Tox load recipes are in bold green font.

I have also added/incorporated all the Sherman Bell recipes so this can be a one stop shop comprehensive short ten reloading guide. Enjoy.

[shane johnson]

Great stuff, if only you had some for 2 5/8".....:(

[charlie cleveland]

shane you can use all of the above loads listed for the 2 7/8 in the 2 5/8 you will have to adjust the wadding on some to get a good crimp or roll crimp... charlie

[George M. Purtill]

Pete
I didnt see the RST hull listed. Is it the same as Federal?

[Bill Murphy]

A call to RST will answer that question. Be quick about it. Alex and dogs will be at the Vintagers and on out of town hunting trips soon.

[Pete Lester]

Pete
I didnt see the RST hull listed. Is it the same as Federal?

George I have picked up a few empty RST 10ga hulls and I am sure they are Federal hulls, I found there is no difference in how they load compared to any other Federal 10ga hull.

[Dave Suponski]

Pete, They are Cheddite hulls but for all intensive purposes they load the same as Federals.

[Pete Lester]

Pete, They are Cheddite hulls but for all intensive purposes they load the same as Federals.

Dave the empty RST's I picked up were from a couple of years ago, I'm quite certain they were Federal hulls. I am pretty sure I asked the folks at the RST tent about the hulls and they said they used Federal hulls for 10ga and Cheddite in smaller gauges. If Cheddite makes a 10ga hull that would be a fairly recent development and maybe RST switched?

[George M. Purtill]

Thanks Pete
The reason I asked was the look damned identical to my Federal 3.5 inch 10 ga hulls- even same color.

[Dave Suponski]

Thanks Pete,

[Frank Srebro]

Current RST 10 gauge shells are loaded in cut down Federal hulls, with Federal primers. I recently shot a round of sporting with Dave and Mark who operate RST's loading equipment and they confirmed that. Also told me they are looking at alternate hulls, but no decision as yet.

Frank

[charlie cleveland]

the federal hulls sure load good for me in the short ten... charlie

[Ray Flanigan]

Greetings All

It has been awhile since there was a post to this thread but since my question pertains specifically to the Sherman Bell recipes I thought I would revive it rather than start a new one.
I recently acquired both a Winchester 1901 shotgun. As this is a 1906 manufacture I want to keep the pressures low. Therefore I am looking to reload 2-7/8" shotshells. In looking at the data sheets I have two questions:

1. IF the recipe calls for a 6 point fold crimp and I roll crimp will that impact the pressure and if so up or down?

2. Many of the recipes call for a Federal 209A or CCI 150 or Rem 57. All I have access to in my area is Win 209. As I understand it the Fed and CCI are hotter primers so would I be correct in assuming that the Win 209 would work but it would result in lower pressure and velosity?

thank you for your help.

Ray

[Mark Ouellette]

1. IF the recipe calls for a 6 point fold crimp and I roll crimp will that impact the pressure and if so up or down?

2. Many of the recipes call for a Federal 209A or CCI 150 or Rem 57. All I have access to in my area is Win 209. As I understand it the Fed and CCI are hotter primers so would I be correct in assuming that the Win 209 would work but it would result in lower pressure and velosity?


Hi Ray,

1. Normally a roll crimp will lower peak pressure. Be careful not to make the roll crimp too strong since that may raise pressure higher than a folded crimp.

2. A Win 209 substituted for a Federal 209A will normally lower peak pressure. Since the powder still burns and produces roughly the same units of pressure but over a longer period of time the velocity will only be reduced slightly.

Start with the lowest pressure load you can find. That way if you make a slight mistake you will be safe.

Load safely,
Mark

[charlie cleveland]

he s tellin you rite... also look at pete lesters loading of 19 grains of red dot its a low pressure load and will kill a squirl clean at 50 steps ever shot... i wish i had a lod lever 10 ga... charlie

[Ray Flanigan]

Charlie

I see a couple of recipes for 29 grains and 31 but none for 19grains. Is there another thread I should look at?

thanx

[Pete Lester]

I would stay away from those Red Dot loads with 29 and 31 grains in the short ten, they would ROCK your world. Although they were published loads from 1968 by Hercules I put a note next to them that I would reduce the powder charge by 15 to 20%. Now that I have started using Red Dot I would make that a reduction by 30%.

19 gr of Red Dot with 1 1/8 ounce of shot is a tame and very effective load on clays and crows. It also stretches a pound of powder which in these days of hard to find gun powder is a good thing too. Try it you'll like it.

The 19 grain 1 1/8 load is not published, it came from experimentation and it seems like Charlie and I arrived at that charge weight as being ideal about the same time. I have also shot a lot of 1 1/8 ounce loads pushed by 22 grains of Green Dot so if you can get that powder it works good too.

[Ray Flanigan]

thank you for the information. What shell, wad and fillers are you using with these loads. I know that locally there is Blue, which I have, Green and I think Red Dot.

Great stuff cannot thank you all enough. I cannot wait to shoot the 1901.

[charlie cleveland]

ray you will like the red dot load of 19 grains and the 1 1/8 ounce of lead.. ray i used the winchester and federal hulls cut to 2 7/8 inch used a winchester 209 primer 19 grains of red dot a sp 10 ga 1 5/8 ounce wad..now you will have to kinda play with a filler over the lead you can use various things a dried pea a grain of corn some people use rice krispies me i use a little toilet paper..this will make your crimp come out rite...i use a 6 point crimp on these loads or you can use roll crimp if you want to but then you will need a over shot card to make things look good..you will have to play around with the filler first few shells to get a nice crimp fold or roll crimp but want take you long to figure it out and make some nice looking crimps.. good luckand heh you can just use thick card wards over the powder i forget how many at the moment but you get good patterns even with no plastic wadding used...charlie

[Pete Lester]

Federal Hull, cut to 2 7/8", Wind 209 or Fiocchi 616 primer, 19 grain Red Dot, Remington SP10 Wad, 1/2 inch fiber filler wad, 6 point folded crimp.

I found the Red Dot load above to be an easy to reload load as I can use a 1/2" fiber filler wad with no adjustment.

The Green Dot load requires that I tear a small sliver off the 1/2" wad, to get a proper crimp. Both loads work well.

[Paul Harm]

The filler wads go in the plastic wad first, then the shot. A 16ga cushion wad works in the 10ga, a 20 in the 12. Ray, if you think about it, any 12ga medium to low pressure load would be safe in the 10ga. Because of so much more volume in the 10 over the 12, you're gonna have lower pressures.

[Cal Lego]

Attached is a PDF copy of the spreadsheet for loads I have been able to find so far for the short ten. The loads are exclusive of the Sherman Bell data many of us our familiar with. Please note I have given credit to the person who started the spreadsheet and shared it with me as well as citing the source of the information, some of it from the 1960's. Not all components are available today but I think the data is interesting and useful. It is obvious a variety of Alliant and IMR powders will work in the short ten. I thought it was interesting Hercules (forerunner to Alliant) did not bother to list hull type or primer type nor chamber pressure in the 1968 guide. You will need to zoom this to 200% to read it easily, I had to shrink it to keep my format in tact.

If you run across any other published loads please let me know about them and I will update this. Enjoy.
Hi J.B. I want to say thanks for posting the spread sheet. i did notice what appears to be an error in the amount of Herco used. I think the numbers must have about 10 grains added to the correct amount. I was using Sherman Bell's loads of 30 grains Herco and 1-1/4 oz. I might see going to 33 or maybe even 35 grains but 45 grains-29 grains Unique sounds right and Unique in a 10 gauge is right around the Herco range.

[Pete Lester]

Hi J.B. I want to say thanks for posting the spread sheet. i did notice what appears to be an error in the amount of Herco used. I think the numbers must have about 10 grains added to the correct amount. I was using Sherman Bell's loads of 30 grains Herco and 1-1/4 oz. I might see going to 33 or maybe even 35 grains but 45 grains-29 grains Unique sounds right and Unique in a 10 gauge is right around the Herco range.


You are welcome, I just double checked the spreadsheet against my cited sources of that loading data, the 1968 and 1970 Hercules Reloading guides. The amount of Herco stated is correct as published in those guides. I believe those powders have changed since that was published and I put a note in the sidebar in red advising that I would reduce these charges by 15 to 20%. Perhaps advising a reduction by 25% would be more prudent.

[Cal Lego]

You are welcome, I just double checked the spreadsheet against my cited sources of that loading data, the 1968 and 1970 Hercules Reloading guides. The amount of Herco stated is correct as published in those guides. I believe those powders have changed since that was published and I put a note in the sidebar in red advising that I would reduce these charges by 15 to 20%. Perhaps advising a reduction by 25% would be more prudent.

Those sound like some pretty hot loads! I remember loading 31 grains of Herco in a 12 gauge M12 when I was 16 y.o. and that was what I had read somewhere. 1-1/2oz. shot for a 2-3/4" baby magnum. Those were some mean loads! I notice others are using 30 grains with Unique and PB, 2 of my favorites.

Those may be perfectly safe loads for all I know though. I'm with you on the reduction in charge to start with though.

Once again, thanks for getting all this stuff together. I'm going to be using at least one of these in 1-5/8 oz. this spring for my turkey hunt.

[KCordell]

Hey has anyone tried the 33.3 gn longshot load with SP10 and nice shot or any other longshot load with nice shot? I want to load up 10 of these and try them on waterfowl. They said pressure is 8780...it's a bit hotter then what I wanted....suggestions please...all comments are very welcome...

I am asking about longshot as I have an entire container begging to be used.

[Mark Ouellette]

I use that load with 1 3/8 oz Nice Shot. The #2's are devastating on Canada geese well past 50 yards!

Mark

[Rick Losey]

managed to get my hands on a supply of Federal Hulls and have loaded some of these, now all I need is geese

[KCordell]

Fantastic.. already cut my 10 gauge federal halls this evening I'll start loading them tomorrow. Any recommendations to roll Or crimp? again, I am using the SP10 wads

[Frank Cronin]

Hey has anyone tried the 33.3 gn longshot load with SP10 and nice shot or any other longshot load with nice shot? I want to load up 10 of these and try them on waterfowl. They said pressure is 8780...it's a bit hotter then what I wanted....suggestions please...all comments are very welcome...

I am asking about longshot as I have an entire container begging to be used.

This is what I use. I just wish I could get more Longshot powder. Echoing what Mark said, this is a great load. Load them up, you will be happy. The pressures are fine. Use the fold crimp and I put a 1/4" cork or fiber wad below the shot to raise the shot column. I have no hesitation to use them in all my 10's.

[Rick Losey]

The other issue is the nice shot itself. Wonder when or if they will return to production

[KCordell]

This is what I use. I just wish I could get more Longshot powder. Echoing what Mark said, this is a great load. Load them up, you will be happy. The pressures are fine. Use the fold crimp and I put a 1/4" cork or fiber wad below the shot to raise the shot column. I have no hesitation to use them in all my 10's.


Now, I am really starting to get excited.....:)

[Cal Lego]

I wanted to load up some of those Sherman Bell Loads but have Heavyshot. I didn't want to wipe out the barrel and also don't see any loads listed in the Bell loads for heavy shot. This is for a 10 ga. 2-7/8 Remington Double.

[Mark Ouellette]

Do not use Hevi Shot instead of another type of non-toxic listed in the loading data. The hardness of the shot affects pressure. In general the harder the shot the higher the peak pressure. Hevi Shot is harder than most other non-toxic shot types.

[Bill Murphy]

Pete, (and others) the published loads with 44 or 45 grains of Herco don't sound right because they are ridiculous loads, not because of a misprint or a change in the character of the powder over the years. The velocity of those loads is 1350 and up. No one needs such a load, either in a fluid steel gun or a Damascus gun. Pete, thanks for publishing the spreadsheet, but maybe we shouldn't include every published load, certainly not the ones mentioned.

[Pete Lester]

Pete, (and others) the published loads with 44 or 45 grains of Herco don't sound right because they are ridiculous loads, not because of a misprint or a change in the character of the powder over the years. The velocity of those loads is 1350 and up. No one needs such a load, either in a fluid steel gun or a Damascus gun. Pete, thanks for publishing the spreadsheet, but maybe we shouldn't include every published load, certainly not the ones mentioned.

Bill, I agree you with you that I would not use that much Herco and shoot it in any gun. As far as the spreadsheet goes my goal was to find and record in a single place all published loads for the 2 7/8" 10 gauge. As you can see from the attached scan these loads were published in the 1968 Hercules "Smokeless Powder Guide". The benefit here is that if these loads were published then they would have been within SAAMI standards for pressure at the time, which does not mean they are suitable for composite barrels. Although some of the components are no longer available it allows reloaders who wildcat to make better educated decisions about their reloads. I agree 44/45 grains of Herco is too much, but a 25% reduction to 32/33 grains may be a nice load, and that is the value of the spreadsheet as I see it.

[Rick Losey]

Peter - those of us who came late to the short 10 really appreciate all of your effort

looking at these loads- i find it odd they do not specify a brand for the hull or primer - both components that have an affect on pressure.

[Pete Lester]

Peter - those of us who came late to the short 10 really appreciate all of your effort

looking at these loads- i find it odd they do not specify a brand for the hull or primer - both components that have an affect on pressure.

Thanks, it is odd by today's standards but that information, hull, primer and pressure is not to be found in that 1968 Hercules publication.

[Steve Havener]

Great stuff, if only you had some for 2 5/8".....:(

Shane if you roll crimp you may be able to use the 2 7/8th inch folded crimp data for your 2 5/8th inch loads. I use fiber wads in my 10 gauge loads so adjusting wad column height by 1/4 inch is not a problem

[Rick Losey]

i have been roll crimping all my 2 5/8 - and so far have not tried a low pressure load from Peter's sheet that I could not use.

[Mark Garrett]

Need a little help .Not very familiar with 10Ga loadings , but being that I just bought an Ithaca Super 10ga I need to start . What Remington hulls is being referred to in the spread sheet with these designations , Rem whtltr , Rem OS, Rem blkltr . Can all the Remington hulls with a plastic base wad be used interchangeably ?

Thanks.

[Pete Lester]

Need a little help .Not very familiar with 10Ga loadings , but being that I just bought an Ithaca Super 10ga I need to start . What Remington hulls is being referred to in the spread sheet with these designations , Rem whtltr , Rem OS, Rem blkltr . Can all the Remington hulls with a plastic base wad be used interchangeably ?

Thanks.

Congrats on the new gun. Rem Hulls white letter is as the name applies, they are factory loaded hulls stamped with white letter marking. I have a bunch that were factory busmuth loads. Rem black letter, same thing, black letter stamping, I have seen that on what were factory steel shot loads. Rem OS, I am not sure what OS stands for. I purchased some unfired Rem hulls with no markings for a snow goose hunt a couple of years ago and loaded them with SR7625 and Bismuth 1's. I shot them through a Twist barrel Parker NH and Rem 1894 Damascus gun without issue. If the Remington hulls have a plastic base wad I load them the same but that's just me.

[Mark Garrett]

Thanks for help the help . I bought some new Remington hulls from Precision , so they should work just fine . I have 700x on hand and will load some 1 1/8 loads and try her out . I also have a fair amount of 7625 on but am saving that for my 16ga LP hunting Loads .

I plan on putting some Bismuth loads together for the short 10 , but don't really need or want low pressure , so I will develope something with another powder and send them to Tom Armburst for testing .

Thanks again for the Explanation .

Mark

[Pete Lester]

It has been awhile since I have seen any new data but thanks to Mark Garrett and Craig Larter we have three new loadings, two of them for Bismuth, for the Short Ten. Remember many of these loads use obsolete components and data that is several decades old. I suggest you verify the data when possible and as always remember you proceed at your own risk.

[Frederick Getman]

Hello
Where can I find and download your data on 10ga. reloading?

Thank You

Frederick






Attached is a PDF copy of the spreadsheet for loads I have been able to find so far for the short ten. The loads are exclusive of the Sherman Bell data many of us our familiar with. Please note I have given credit to the person who started the spreadsheet and shared it with me as well as citing the source of the information, some of it from the 1960's. Not all components are available today but I think the data is interesting and useful. It is obvious a variety of Alliant and IMR powders will work in the short ten. I thought it was interesting Hercules (forerunner to Alliant) did not bother to list hull type or primer type nor chamber pressure in the 1968 guide. You will need to zoom this to 200% to read it easily, I had to shrink it to keep my format in tact.

If you run across any other published loads please let me know about them and I will update this. Enjoy.

[Rick Losey]

Frederick

There is a PDF attached to Peter's post

That is the load data

[Pete Lester]

Frederick

There is a PDF attached to Peter's post

That is the load data


Make that, attached to my most recent post. I deleted the previous versions of the spreadsheet and uploaded the most recent addition with the new loadings in my post here of 7/18/15 at 1:24PM.

[Frederick Getman]

Make that, attached to my most recent post. I deleted the previous versions of the spreadsheet and uploaded the most recent addition with the new loadings in my post here of 7/18/15 at 1:24PM.
Hello Rick
Thank You for the response.

I guess I am brain dead. I don't know how to get to the file and then see it to download it. Would you assist a grayed haired old man in this regard?

Thank You

Frederick

[Rick Losey]

Are you on a windows PC?
Assuming you have a PDF reader (if not ADOBE READER is a free download at adobe.com )

Just click on the attachment and it will offer you a choice to read or save

Pick the save option and a copy will be stored on your computer in the downloads folder

[Frederick Getman]

Are you on a windows PC?
Assuming you have a PDF reader (if not ADOBE READER is a free download at adobe.com )

Just click on the attachment and it will offer you a choice to read or save

Pick the save option and a copy will be stored on your computer in the downloads folder
Hello OH

Wow. This is the first time I saw the file on the post. Wonder why it wasn't showing up before? Yes I have downloaded it. Super. Thanks for the help. I will need to enlarge it somehow.

Thanks Again

Primerbuster Here.

[Scott Gentry]

Just got some Bismuth for short 10 waterfowl loads, shot is more like fine gravel than typical round shot. Several sizes and shapes, mostly tear drop shapes.
Anyone have this experience with Bismuth?

[Frederick Getman]

Just got some Bismuth for short 10 waterfowl loads, shot is more like fine gravel than typical round shot. Several sizes and shapes, mostly tear drop shapes.
Anyone have this experience with Bismuth?
Hello Scott
Yes Bismuth shot doesn't look very symmetrical, but boy does it shoot well and throws a dense pattern. It penetrates much better than steel as it is more dense!

Hope this helps!

Primerbuster

[CraigThompson]

FWIW , a couple months ago I found out that Ponsness Warren WILL make a new LS-1000 10 gauge 3 1/2" machine into a 2 7/8" machine for the measly extra cost of $30 !

[John Muddiman]

i would like to SAY A BIG THANK YOU for the loads i have been trying everywhere to find some i have tried other forums with no luck . i would like to thank the administrator who sorted out my login in problems for me once again THANK YOU ALL for the help i received as in the UK we have hardly any data at all and have to rely on you chaps over in the US for help cheers

[Rick Losey]

You are of course welcome

A grand thanks would be some photos of your days on the foreshore and the grey lags or pinkfeet geese taken with your new found knowledge.

Good shooting to you

[William Davis]

1 1/8 oz 7 1/2. Remington SP 10 wad half inch 16 g fiber wad inside the SP 10. Either 19 Red Dot or 22 Green Dot is my standard Clay Target short 10 load. Unique being slower powder perhaps a grain or two more. Split the fiber wad to make the stack come out right for fold crimping.

Hunting, depending on the bird, I think I will go 1 1/4 oz and a very small increase in the Green Dot charge. Am ordering a bag of # 7 shot and working up loads to to use on Crows. 7 and 1 1/4 exceeds limits at most Clay target clubs, and lot more than needed for targets.

William

[Robert Watts]

Got it, are most of the lighter loads for the 2 7/8 hull length?

[scott kittredge]

Got it, are most of the lighter loads for the 2 7/8 hull length?

all the loads here are for the 2 7/8 ths inch shells

[Robert Watts]

I saw that after I enlarged the print on the copier, but thank you. I cranked out my first bp load for the short 10 last nite. One of Sherman Bell's. My gun isn't a Parker but an Ithaca Flues model with Damascus barrels and the 6000 range of pressure is sure what I was looking for. RW

[Pete Lester]

1 1/8 oz 7 1/2. Remington SP 10 wad half inch 16 g fiber wad inside the SP 10. Either 19 Red Dot or 22 Green Dot is my standard Clay Target short 10 load. Unique being slower powder perhaps a grain or two more. Split the fiber wad to make the stack come out right for fold crimping.

Hunting, depending on the bird, I think I will go 1 1/4 oz and a very small increase in the Green Dot charge. Am ordering a bag of # 7 shot and working up loads to to use on Crows. 7 and 1 1/4 exceeds limits at most Clay target clubs, and lot more than needed for targets.

William

Scott and I shoot a lot of crows, hundreds for each of us each fall. We have tried shot sizes from 4's to 8's over the years. If you want the most effective shell for a crow at any range your shotgun can shoot go with #6 in any trap or skeet loading. You will see a noticable difference. Far more dead in the air folds over the smaller shot including #7.

[William Davis]

Pete

No doubt about it # 6 will kill at distance. When I hunted Ducks with Lead # 6 was all I used. Problem with the 6's for me is shooting light shot loads in SxS's I don't think I get enough pellets. Look at it this way, all from internet charts. nothing actually counted

For my 12 g loads

1 oz load # 7 296 pellets
1 oz load # 6 222 pellets

For my 10 G loads

1 1/8 oz # 7 331 pellets
1 1/8 oz # 6 308 pellets

Of course I could bump the 12's to 1 1/8 and 10's to 1 1/4. I have some RST 1 1/4 # 6 and they recoil too much in my 9 1/4 lb Ithaca Super 10. Not so bad in my 10 lb Parker Hammer 10. Never liked Factory 1 1/8 oz in 12 G Parkers either.

Good thing about loading is you can get it exactly like you want it.

William

[Pete Lester]

Pete

No doubt about it # 6 will kill at distance. When I hunted Ducks with Lead # 6 was all I used. Problem with the 6's for me is shooting light shot loads in SxS's I don't think I get enough pellets. Look at it this way, all from internet charts. nothing actually counted

For my 12 g loads

1 oz load # 7 296 pellets
1 oz load # 6 222 pellets

For my 10 G loads

1 1/8 oz # 7 331 pellets
1 1/8 oz # 6 308 pellets

Of course I could bump the 12's to 1 1/8 and 10's to 1 1/4. I have some RST 1 1/4 # 6 and they recoil too much in my 9 1/4 lb Ithaca Super 10. Not so bad in my 10 lb Parker Hammer 10. Never liked Factory 1 1/8 oz in 12 G Parkers either.

Good thing about loading is you can get it exactly like you want it.

William

Not to pick on you William but I always find it humorous when a fellow crow hunter worries about pattern density when using #6. Trust me they will dump them consistently at any range you dare to shoot, even with open chokes. With tight chokes they are never getting though it.

Here are patterns through a Remington 10ga 1894 and 12ga 1900, these are both 1 1/8 ounce loads at 40 yards. The 12ga has a mere .024 of choke. Scott has a picture somewhere of a 7/8 ounce pattern of #6 on the life size vitals of a crow at 40 yards. If centered the bird would not survived.

PS. Your pellet counts are off, at least for #6. Most charts cite 225 per ounce. My hand count for pattern test below was 253 for 1 1/8 ounce.

[scott kittredge]

[QUOTE=William Davis;182061]Pete
Problem with the 6's for me is shooting light shot loads in SxS's I don't think I get enough pellets.
I have shot 100's of crows over the years with 7/8th oz of 6's out on my 20 ga. For years that's all i shot when crow hunting. so i am sure i have shot 2000 crow with that load alone. There are plenty of pellets in 1 oz of 6's out of the 10 or 12 ga. i have killed close to 500 this year alone with above loads, for one shot size stay with 6's ! check out some of Pete and my parker hunting pics under my profile It will show some of our crow hunting trips:)
what ever you shoot at crows , have fun and good luck!!:)

[charlie cleveland]

boy i gota lot of crow hunting to catch up with you boys....both of them guns are really throwing a close pattern looks to be both guns shooting 90 to 95 percent at 40 yards...charlie

[Pete Lester]

boy i gota lot of crow hunting to catch up with you boys....both of them guns are really throwing a close pattern looks to be both guns shooting 90 to 95 percent at 40 yards...charlie

Well that is something to look forward to! Looking at what I wrote in the pictures the 10 threw 92.49% and the 12 shot 88%.

[William Davis]

You have some very good patterns for sure. And there is no substitute for projectile weight. Have been shooting cast bullet rifles for years. Ballistic charts rank velocity high. On game or steel silhouette targets weight is what does the job.

I have a supply or RST 10 G 1 1-4 oz # 6. My hand loads so far for the short ten are target, 1 1-8 # 7 1-2 Looking for something between the two, with lower recoil. Both of my 10s are choked tight enough to handle # 6 either 1 1-8 or 1 1-4

12 G 1 oz another story, my guns 7 is as large as I plan to go, based on # 7 patterns so far. Am going to use the 1oz 7 for long clays mostly . Density is a issue.

Real question for me is do I buy a bag of 6 just for the short 10 hunting loads Am going to pattern some # 7 1 1-8 and see how they look.

Willam

[scott kittredge]

12 G 1 oz another story, my guns 7 is as large as I plan to go, based on # 7 patterns so far. Am going to use the 1oz 7 for long clays mostly . Density is a issue.


You might want to check, but most clay coarse have a no bigger than 7 1/2 shot rule and most "shoots" have that rule too. i would just buy the 6's and you be happy you did for crow hunting and 7 1/2 's for long ranges clays .:) scott
Willam[/QUOTE]

[Pete Lester]

Real question for me is do I buy a bag of 6 just for the short 10 hunting loads Am going to pattern some # 7 1 1-8 and see how they look.

Willam

So you are questioning whether or not to spend + or - $45 for a bag of shot that would be far and away more effective for crow shooting based on what a couple of guys who have shot thousands of crows told you?

The 7's I am sure will pattern fine, but regardless of how they pattern they do not measure up to the performance of #6 on crows. Constant use of 7 will result in more visibly hit birds flying off, birds coming down screaming like they were stung by 100 bees, more walking wounded that have to be run down and dispatched. All these happens with #6 but to a much lesser extent than with #7, #7.5 and #8.

[William Davis]

Not doubting your experience, just going to see for myself. Have factory 1 1-4 oz # 6 to compare.

William

[Paul Wallpe]

Does anyone have this list in the original Excel format?

[Stephen Hastie]

Hi guys I cannot find any attachments is this because I am using an iPad?

[Stephen Hastie]

Oops got it, dooh

[Carvel Whaley]

After 2or3 reloadings the Federal and Cheddit hulls I have been using start to split in the crimp. So, I tried trimming the hulls to 2 3/8 inches, use the same shot and powder load as with the 2 7/8 inch and trim the wad 1/4 inch with sizzors and don't use the 1/2 inch filler wad in the shot cup. Raise the short adapter on the MEC 600 jr up another 1/2 inch and it crimps perfect. Tried them on the crony and patterning board and see no difference. Loaded it is a neet looking 2 inch shell and you get 2 or 3 more loadings out of the hull and don't have to buy or use filler wads. Carvel

[Paul Harm]

I've been doing that for awhile. Funny what we'll do to make those 10ga shells last a little longer.

[William Davis]

Carvel

What powder are you using in the 2 inch 10s.

William

[Carvel Whaley]

William, same as I use in the 2 7/8 in., 20.6 gr green dot. Very pleasant load.
Carvel

[charlie cleveland]

fine load...charlie

[William Davis]

Carvel I have been cronographing some of my loads, 16 G this weekend. Am going to run some of my 10s next , 2 7/8 inch 1 1/8 oz & 1 1/4 oz. all with the SP 10 wad & 22.5 Green Dot. Like yours all fine shooters. Like to see how they clock. I bet I could back off on the 1 1/8 oz charge.

William

[CraigThompson]

I just backed into an unopened 8 pounder of Unique . When my Sr7625 runs out this'll get used in the 10 and 16 guns ! I suppose I'll also finally delve into the world of roll crimping .

[Paul Harm]

A friend keeps giving me 10ga hulls he picks up from a public shooting range. I've got about 300 loaded up, so I started loading some with black powder. Loaded some with 75grs of 3F, some with 82grs of 2F, and then I found a can of 1F that I used 25 years ago for a 8ga O/U muzzleloader I use to use for goose hunting. I loaded some with 89grs of that, all 1oz of shot. I have 55 of the BP shells and better go out and shoot some on the SC's course to see how they do before I load anymore.

[Jack Pesci]

I am really a newbie when it comes to this forum so could someone please tell me where in this post I can find the PDF that is mentioned?

Thanks,
Jack

[Rick Losey]

Jack

its the sticky on this reloading forum

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11403

[Jack Pesci]

Thanks, I found it!

[Paul Harm]

Welcome Jack - good to hear from you.

[Paul Wallpe]

Since PB, 4756, and 7625 are no longer around, but most of the data in the manuals and spread sheet lists them (basically outdated), has anyone found load data for other powders?

[Paul Harm]

I use 21grs/Green Dot with 1 1/16oz of shot. The book shows 29 with 1 1/4oz, so I'm pretty sure I'm plenty safe. Many of the loads are out dated, but there is still many loads with available powders. You'll just have to make do, or as many of us do - use a 12ga load of moderate pressure - it will most certainly be safe in a 10ga [ larger chamber = less pressure ]. Good luck.

[Timothy Laycock]

This is obviously a very old thread, however I am new to the site--- I am looking for information on 2 7/8" 10 ga loads. I hope to find loads for 1 1/2, 1 5/8 oz somewhere. There was a PDF supposedly posted here- but I see no attachments anywhere. Any help anyone can provide pointing me in the right direction to find information is greatly appreciated.

[Rick Losey]

Tim.

Peters spread sheet is in be sticky at the top of this reloading forum

[Timothy Laycock]

Pardon me-- but WHERE are any stickies? Where is the PDF?? There is noting showing up on my computer , there is no spreadsheet. Please advise.

[Jack Pesci]

I had trouble finding this attachment as well. You must go to the top of the forum ( 2 7/8" 10 ga. Reloading Data) and click on the paper clip symbol on the right side of that title. Good luck.

[Fred Verry]

Tim, go to PGCA forums then Non-Parker Specific and General Discussions then Shotshell reloading and it will be the first sticky post. HTH FV

[Chip Beckford]

Hello , for some reason I can't get this to print/ Could someone send it to me?

Thanks ,

chip Beckford BeckfordMurray@gmail.com

[Harding nicholson]

I would like to download this data but am unable to see the link

[Dean Romig]

This is the link Pete originally posted for us...

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun





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[Pete Lester]

It's been awhile since I posted an updated Short Ten reloading spreadsheet. This one has been updated through Feb 2019. It includes loads PGCA members have had tested by Tom Armbrust and the new 2 7/8" 10ga data from Hodgdon. Please remember some of this data is very dated, some components including powder are no longer available on the shelf. Additionally some of these loads look very "hot" and I would not use them in any vintage gun especially one with composite barrels. Enjoy and use at your own risk.

[Jack Pesci]

Sorry, but I am at a loss in finding the attached, updated, pdf for the 10 ga. short shell data.
Please help me.

[Dean Romig]

When you click on Pete's PDF it should download right to your download file.





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[Paul Harm]

Jack, you coming to my shoot on May 11th ?

[Milt Fitterman]

Jack, when I click on it, it shows at the bottom left of the screen. I have done this enough that it does not fool me when this happens. Most of the time files just open on the screen but certain ones don't. Once you find it you just click on it and it opens..

[Patrick Barrett]

Hello: I looked for you attachment and do not see it ;could you please help??I too am looking for the 2 5/8 10 ga information. I am thinking of using the light 12 red dot data for the 10 ga, Rem 1894 I have. Can I use the same wads-cards for the 10 ga you mention?

thank you,
Pat

[Paul Harm]

Yes, you'll be safe. It's what I use in my 1882 Remington 10ga with 2 5/8 shells. I believe your Remington has 2 3/4" chambers. I've never found one with 2 5/8 chambers. I only use the 2 5/8 shells because I had cut 2 5/8 shells for a different gun and it's what I have.

[Jack Pesci]

I hope this works, if not send me your email and I will email it to you via attachment.

Jack

[Patrick Barrett]

I have it now. Thank you!
Pat

[Patrick Barrett]

Thanks Paul.

Pat

[Patrick Barrett]

Yes, you'll be safe. It's what I use in my 1882 Remington 10ga with 2 5/8 shells. I believe your Remington has 2 3/4" chambers. I've never found one with 2 5/8 chambers. I only use the 2 5/8 shells because I had cut 2 5/8 shells for a different gun and it's what I have.
I asked G&H to verify the chamber size of 2 5/8. They sent me 2 pictures that I have tried to attach here. I am not too good with computers but here goes.
thank you
Pat

[charlie cleveland]

also if you have some hulls that a 209 primer is to big for the primer hole these hulls use the no 57 primer which is smaller than a 209 primer....old remington paper and plastic hulls used the no 57 primer.....i still reload a few old hulls useing the 57 primer....charlie

[Bill Murphy]

Are #57 primers still made?

[Daniel Carter]

Found this on a reloading forum and it works. Take a SPENT 209 primer and insert it into the 57 opening using your normal press and procedure. Take it out and a new 209 will now fit. I have a case of 16 ga. early Remington plastic cases, no shot collar and fiber wads that I have been reloading this way. Have also done Remington paper 28 ga.

[charlie cleveland]

i ll have to try your method on these primers...bill i know of no one selling new no 57 primers...charlie

[Cory Rams]

Thanks for all the obsolete, impossible to find, load data! I just picked up a lee loader in 2 7/8” and 3.5” . I am trying to find the heaviest “safe” loads possible for my Damascus Charles daly 1873 SxS for turkey hunting. I ordered some BPI nickel plated #6’s and have some chilled #5’s. I have a few RST empty cases laying around. I bought 2 boxes of #5 RST 1 1/4oz which didn’t pattern as good as I would have liked. I also bought a box of #6 RST which I haven’t tried yet. I was given sone various plastic wads to try and have some cushion wads and cardboard shot cards coming. I have 700x, red dot, green dot, unique, FG, FFG, and FFFG powders. What is the max PSI for Damascus barrels? I thought it was around 6,000 and I see loads listed up to 10,000 on the 4 page load table. I would like to load the heaviest load possible. I see the heaviest listed is 1 5/8 oz. any load recipes for 10 gauge RST casing with a 1 5/8oz load? Cant wait! Has anyone ever tried duplex loads? I was thinking of half #5’s and #6’s .

[Pete Lester]

Thanks for all the obsolete, impossible to find, load data! I just picked up a lee loader in 2 7/8” and 3.5” . I am trying to find the heaviest “safe” loads possible for my Damascus Charles daly 1873 SxS for turkey hunting. I ordered some BPI nickel plated #6’s and have some chilled #5’s. I have a few RST empty cases laying around. I bought 2 boxes of #5 RST 1 1/4oz which didn’t pattern as good as I would have liked. I also bought a box of #6 RST which I haven’t tried yet. I was given sone various plastic wads to try and have some cushion wads and cardboard shot cards coming. I have 700x, red dot, green dot, unique, FG, FFG, and FFFG powders. What is the max PSI for Damascus barrels? I thought it was around 6,000 and I see loads listed up to 10,000 on the 4 page load table. I would like to load the heaviest load possible. I see the heaviest listed is 1 5/8 oz. any load recipes for 10 gauge RST casing with a 1 5/8oz load? Cant wait! Has anyone ever tried duplex loads? I was thinking of half #5’s and #6’s .

Given your sarcasm for my effort some years ago in gathering all the historical data I could find for loading the short ten all I will say at this point is good luck.

[Rick Losey]

Peter - the rest of us appreciate your efforts

as for the max pressure question - scientifically - I think its just a few PSI under where your barrels blow out - let us know

[Cory Rams]

Given your sarcasm for my effort some years ago in gathering all the historical data I could find for loading the short ten all I will say at this point is good luck.

There was zero sarcasm meant by my post. I was honestly excited to see all the load data! As for PSI....I meant pressure. I see 6,000 to 10,000 pressures listed( I called it PSI). I was asking if all of these listed loads were safe for Damascus barrels. I cannot find any load books listing Damascus load pressures. From other readings I was under the impression that 6000 was the max load pressure in Damascus 10 gauge barrels. I’ve been reloading and casting for over 20 years but have never loaded shotgun shells.

[Rick Losey]

no one can tell you what is safe for damascus barrels - condition is everything and will vary. the British proof houses will proof them with modern loads if they pass the preliminary inspection

really - it's not much different than antique fluid steel barrels - how much pitting, have they been honed -

those of us that shoot them do so at our own risk, based on judging the measurements and condition- and our perceived level of self knowledge

[Cory Rams]

They have not been honed and there is some pitting. Thanks for the reply. I guess the question I should’ve asked is what is the load pressure rating for Damascus 10 gauge barrels.

[Pete Lester]

There was zero sarcasm meant by my post. I was honestly excited to see all the load data! As for PSI....I meant pressure. I see 6,000 to 10,000 pressures listed( I called it PSI). I was asking if all of these listed loads were safe for Damascus barrels. I cannot find any load books listing Damascus load pressures. From other readings I was under the impression that 6000 was the max load pressure in Damascus 10 gauge barrels. I’ve been reloading and casting for over 20 years but have never loaded shotgun shells.

Has your gun been evaluated by a competent to do so gunsmith who deemed it is safe to shoot? What is the chamber length, are you certain it is 2 7/8"? The heaviest 10ga load available at the time your gun was built was most likely 1 1/4 ounce of lead with a velocity around 1150 fps.

The spreadsheet lists all the published and tested 2 7/8" 10ga loadings I could find and their sources noted. No I do not consider all of them safe to shoot in composite barrel guns. There were 10ga double guns produced with fluid steel barrels, notably the Ithaca NID Super Ten that was designed to shoot the heaviest of 2 7/8" 10ga loadings. What a Super Ten will handle and what your gun will handle are different.

Working up the heaviest loading you can find for a near 150 year old gun is unwise and potentially dangerous IMO. A 1 1/4 ounce loading at 1150 fps out of a 10ga will take down any bird provided the choke and shot size are correct and the range is inside 40 yards. Good luck.

[Dean Romig]

I find myself wondering why anyone would actually want to shoot maximum pressure loads in a nice old gun like this, be it a Damascus barreled gun or fluid pressed steel. The wood, especially in the wrist of the stock, is especially vulnerable due to its age and the effects of various external oils and solvents that may have been applied. I certainly wouldn’t subject any of my Parkers to maximum loads, whatever they might be. There is absolutely no sound reason to do so. Heck, every longbeard I have ever killed have been dropped dead with one shot of very reasonable loads of far less than 8,000 p.s.i.





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[Daniel Carter]

They have not been honed and there is some pitting. Thanks for the reply. I guess the question I should’ve asked is what is the load pressure rating for Damascus 10 gauge barrels.

No one knows what the load pressure rating for your particular barrels are. That is impossible to know in that you say there is pitting present without knowing the depth and to what extent it effects barrel wall thickness which is the first thing you should find out. BWT is covered in many threads by very knowledgeable people on this forum. Dr. Drew is a wealth of knowledge on Damascus barrels and i suggest you read his web site and familiarize yourself with the current thinking.

You state that the barrels have not been honed but the only way to tell if you have enough wall thickness is to measure them and then proceed with period appropriate shells.

It is in your hands to assure the safety of your gun and no one will take on that responsibility for you.

[Daniel Carter]

Measuring barrel wall is also covered in many threads available using the search function. There is a long learning curve before you can arrive at a conclusion.

[Cory Rams]

Has your gun been evaluated by a competent to do so gunsmith who deemed it is safe to shoot? What is the chamber length, are you certain it is 2 7/8"? The heaviest 10ga load available at the time your gun was built was most likely 1 1/4 ounce of lead with a velocity around 1150 fps.

The spreadsheet lists all the published and tested 2 7/8" 10ga loadings I could find and their sources noted. No I do not consider all of them safe to shoot in composite barrel guns. There were 10ga double guns produced with fluid steel barrels, notably the Ithaca NID Super Ten that was designed to shoot the heaviest of 2 7/8" 10ga loadings. What a Super Ten will handle and what your gun will handle are different.

Working up the heaviest loading you can find for a near 150 year old gun is unwise and potentially dangerous IMO. A 1 1/4 ounce loading at 1150 fps out of a 10ga will take down any bird provided the choke and shot size are correct and the range is inside 40 yards. Good luck.


When I first bought this 1873 Charles Daly from a garage sale back in the 90’s for $45. I took it to a gunsmith who measured the chambers at 2 7/8” and was told it was a 10 gauge. I was pretty excited since I currently owned 3 browning gold 10 gauges at the time. Through the years one of my best friends went to a Colorado gunsmith school after working for an old school smith during his high school years. He ended up opening his own shop 15 years ago. I had him install hammers from Dixie gun works and inspect the gun over and deemed it safe to shoot. I searched for the original hammers for a good 20 plus years with zero luck. I sent a tracing of the existing hammer with measurements to one the Dixie gun works gunsmiths who matched it up with the closet ones they had. After the hammers were installed my gunsmith buddy and I test fired it with #5, 2 7/8” RST shells. It’s shoots beautiful. I put 17 pellets in a turkey head and neck target at 20 yards. I was just hoping for a tighter group. I did buy some #6, 1 1/4oz RST ammo to try but haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet. I figured it would be more economical to reload since I have a good 5 pounds of black powder and and 8 pounds each of 700x, green dot, and red dot. Imo it’s more rewarding to harvest game with ammo I loaded. I appreciate the helpful info. If 1/1/4 oz loads at 1150 FPS is what factory loads were a 150 years ago then imo is what the gun should be firing. That was the reason in my original question I asked for the heaviest safe load as I do not want to damage my gun. It’s been a long journey to get it up and running. I just removed the century and a half of barrel surface rust a few weeks ago and refinished the barrels with a coat of Oxpho bluing. I then removed the bluing accept for where it highlights the Damascus pattering. I also refinished the wood furniture in the last week refinishing it with boiled Lind seed oil. When I bought it the action was rusted shut. It’s come along ways. My goal was always to restore the rusty gun with one one missing hammer into a shooter and harvest a turkey with it which I will be trying to do here in a month and a half. I figured I’d try to load up some tighter grouping ammo vs the RST’s I tried in it. If not I’m sure the #6’s RST’s will probably group tighter than the RST #5’s.

https://i.imgur.com/YPeKnt6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/iwwPRXZ.jpg

It’s still far from perfect but looks a million times better then when I first bought it IMO.

[Cory Rams]

I have been looking for more load data. I have a 2 7/8” lee loader coming. The load card has a few loads on all the data posted here...or I didn’t see listed with a federal case. The loads are 1 5/8oz lead with 30 grains of red dot and a few other powders. No pressures listed with the loads. Anyone have a pressure listing with the red dot load? The reason I ask is I have red dot powder. The lee load table card shows both plastic and paper over shot wads listed with seating pressures. I thought these loaders were made before plastic wads were around? Guess not.

https://i.imgur.com/eli9mGI.jpg


I also found a guy on YouTube with a track of the wolf load consisting of 116 grains of FG and 1 5/8oz of lead. I will have to order the track of the wolf load data book and a few brass 2 7/8” 10 gauge shells. I would assume the 116 grain Slower burning FG will be less pressure than the 130 grains of fffg both with 1 5/8oz of lead? Should make a great turkey load I would think. It will be fun to see some smoke roll out of barrels.

Here is the video of the guy shooting the 116 grain track of the wolf load.

https://youtu.be/UhgZXoGdzHQ

[Pete Lester]

I have been looking for more load data. I have a 2 7/8” lee loader coming. The load card has a few loads on all the data posted here...or I didn’t see listed with a federal case. The loads are 1 5/8oz lead with 30 grains of red dot and a few other powders. No pressures listed with the loads. Anyone have a pressure listing with the red dot load? The reason I ask is I have red dot powder. The lee load table card shows both plastic and paper over shot wads listed with seating pressures. I thought these loaders were made before plastic wads were around? Guess not.


I would consider thirty grains of Red Dot with any lead load including 1 1/8 ounce to be dangerous. I would never shoot that much Red Dot in any short ten loading. Those loadings would likely hurt your gun and potentially cause you physical harm. I believe that Red Dot was reformulated since those loadings were published. You would be better off to start with light loadings like 19 gr. of Red Dot with 1 1/8 ounce of lead shot and enjoy your gun. Please stop trying to make a 150 year old hammer gun something it is not and was never meant to be with your ideas of heavy loads. I am concerned it won't end well for you.

[Cory Rams]

I would consider thirty grains of Red Dot with any lead load including 1 1/8 ounce to be dangerous. I would never shoot that much Red Dot in any short ten loading. Those loadings would likely hurt your gun and potentially cause you physical harm. I believe that Red Dot was reformulated since those loadings were published. You would be better off to start with light loadings like 19 gr. of Red Dot with 1 1/8 ounce of lead shot and enjoy your gun. Please stop trying to make a 150 year old hammer gun something it is not and was never meant to be with your ideas of heavy loads. I am concerned it won't end well for you.


Thanks for the heads up. Thirty grains of red dot didn’t make sense to me as the few red dot loads I see listed are 17 to 19 grains. I Messaged you instead of asking questions so I don’t end up derailing this post.

[Rick Losey]

Cory

those of us that have worked up or modified loads (and added to the list) have them tested by Tom Armbrust (as was that 19gr red dot load)

the cost is reasonable and the knowledge is priceless

[Cory Rams]

Cory

those of us that have worked up or modified loads (and added to the list) have them tested by Tom Armbrust (as was that 19gr red dot load)

the cost is reasonable and the knowledge is priceless

Thanks for the help.

[Keith Sirmans]

Is the pdf still around?

[Rick Losey]

Page 6 of this thread

[charlie cleveland]

that 19 grains of reddot will go down in history for the ten gauge...charlie

[scott kittredge]

I have been a big fan of 700-x good in 20 ,12 ,and 10 ga. In the 10 you can load 1 oz to 1 1/4 oz Lead loads.
Scott

[Jack Kuzepski]

Guys, I must be BLIND. I looked at the pdf from page 6 and could not find the 19 grain red dot load. Was looking for all of the specifics (hulls, primer, wad...) and pressures generated.

Jack Kuzepski

[Pete Lester]

Guys, I must be BLIND. I looked at the pdf from page 6 and could not find the 19 grain red dot load. Was looking for all of the specifics (hulls, primer, wad...) and pressures generated.

Jack Kuzepski

The spreadsheet is updated from time to time, the most current version is on another page of this thread but I will attach it here again. As I have said before please remember some of this data is very dated, some components including powder are no longer available on the shelf. I also suspect there may have been changes to some of the powders over the 50+ years of data. So realize some of these loads look very "hot" and I would not use them in any vintage gun especially one with composite barrels. Enjoy and use at your own risk.

[CraigThompson]

that 19 grains of reddot will go down in history for the ten gauge...charlie

Nineteen is okay I’m sure , but the bushing I use throws 18.6 and I see no reason to change it . But I can tell you if they hadn’t stopped making SR7625 so I needed to conserve what I have I’d never have tried the Red Dot load .

[Craig Larter]

here is the 19g red dot data I had tested.

[Jack Kuzepski]

Pete and Craig,
Thank you both for posting those results. I'm almost out of SR 7625 but still
have a good supply of red dot.

Jack Kuzepski

[Cory Rams]

I have been a big fan of 700-x good in 20 ,12 ,and 10 ga. In the 10 you can load 1 oz to 1 1/4 oz Lead loads.
Scott

I ended up with 8 pounds of 700x and couldn’t find any 10 gauge load data for it. Sold it off last year for $400. Basically got the jug for free. I have 8 pounds of unopened green dot yet and some red dot to try that came with the 700x.

[Cory Rams]

I haven’t ran into a lot of BP load data anywhere. I think track of the wolf and Ballistic products were the only places I’ve had luck for 10 gauge loads. The data I found works up to a square load of 4.5 drams of FG and 1 5/8oz of shot. I tried it with #6 BPI nickel plated shot and in my gun I had a better pattern dropping down from 4.5 drams of FG, 116 grains of FG powder to 100 grains. I can tell you there was also noticeable less recoil with the 16 grain drop as well. Shot a turkey with the load last year at 25 yards with the 100 grain FG load and 1 5/8oz #6’s. It dropped the bird in its tracks.

[charlie cleveland]

that sounds like a great load I will try it before long....charlie

[Cory Rams]

I haven’t ran into a lot of BP load data anywhere. I think track of the wolf and Ballistic products were the only places I’ve had luck for 10 gauge loads. The data I found works up to a square load of 4.5 drams of FG and 1 5/8oz of shot. I tried it with #6 BPI nickel plated shot and in my gun I had a better pattern dropping down from 4.5 drams of FG, 116 grains of FG powder to 100 grains. I can tell you there was also noticeable less recoil with the 16 grain drop as well. Shot a turkey with the load last year at 25 yards with the 100 grain FG load and 1 5/8oz #6’s. It dropped the bird in its tracks.

A few of test targets with the 1 5/8oz #6 load. My barrels must not have tight chokes. The left barrel is the clear winner for longer range shooting.

https://i.imgur.com/MVbsDSf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/sinKbvD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OPTUV2n.jpg

Left and right barrels with the same load at 25 yards.

https://i.imgur.com/SS2W4ky.jpg

The right barrel is definitely a close range spreader.

I also tried factory loaded 1 1/4oz RST #5 and #6. The best group I had was with number 6’s at 25 yards. I had half the number count of hits VS the above load and 40 yards was not obtainable for shooting a turkey needless to say with the RST factory loads in my gun.

And the outcome of the first time out in the woods with the gun and load…

https://i.imgur.com/3qLmo1K.jpg

[charlie cleveland]

great that's a nice turkey....charlie

[Cory Rams]

Here are my targets from a few days ago. I tested 100 grains of FG in a Winchester hull. I loaded with a 1/4” nitro wad and 1 5/8oz of #5’s. It didn’t group as tight at 25 yards than my #6 load but IT DID have more hits at 40 yards than my test with #6 nickel plated shot. That was kind of confusing to me. At fifty yards I only had 3 hits VS with the #6’s.

I then tested all brass hulls with the same exact load but added a 3/4” fiber cushion was over the 1/4” nitro wad. The groups were poor compared to the plastic hull loads.


Plastic hulls…


25 yards…

https://i.imgur.com/1itc69r.jpg


40 yards….

https://i.imgur.com/n5Z8wyk.jpg


50 yards…

https://i.imgur.com/wPDPsA6.jpg



All brass…


25 yards…

https://i.imgur.com/EYoaIWX.jpg


40 yards…

https://i.imgur.com/ZBqjhsu.jpg

[scott kittredge]

Hi, how do you finish closing the top of your load over the shot ?
Scott

[Cory Rams]

Hi, how do you finish closing the top of your load over the shot ?
Scott

I use a 4 pin roller for the plastic hulls. The all brass I just glue in an OS card.

https://i.imgur.com/9mF5RiR.jpg

The #6’s I cut my hull shorter before I crimped…

https://i.imgur.com/61DBxvj.jpg

The #6 load is probably 2.5” overall length. I cut the #5 shot loaded hulls around 2 3/4” before I crimped. The brass hulls I cut down to approx 2 3/4”.

[Edward Call]

I am new here, and a side by side fan. Looking for 2 7/8" 10ga data. I can not find the attachments. What am I missing?

[Cory Rams]

It’s disappeared and re posted a few pages in. Don’t know if it’s still there. I save it and have more data sent to me by other posters on here an other forums along with data I’ve found myself…


https://i.imgur.com/CZxOFXo.jpg

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[Cory Rams]

And here is some other data I’ve been forwarded and found myself…

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This my turkey load I found on track of the wolf. I use a 100 grains of DuPont FG instead of a 116 grains which is 4.5 drams. The 16 less charge tightens up my pattern. It recoils like a light 10 gauge or 12 gauge trap loads with the 100 grains of FG and 1 5/8oz load.

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[CraigThompson]

I just might try the 30 grains of 800x next week but with my usual SP-10 , ounce and a quarter instead of three eights and red beans in place of spacer wads .

[Randy G Roberts]

I really like the load with the red rectangle around it which calls for 31 grains of Longshot in a Fed hull. Very low pressure load IMO. I have all the requirements of this recipe except the Fed hull. I have read on the forum where other members have stated that 10 gauge hulls (Rem, Fed, Ched) are all straight wall hulls and thus they will interchange recipes freely. What would the opinions be on using this recipe in a Rem or Ched 2 7/8" hull ?

[CraigThompson]

I really like the load with the red rectangle around it which calls for 31 grains of Longshot in a Fed hull. Very low pressure load IMO. I have all the requirements of this recipe except the Fed hull. I have read on the forum where other members have stated that 10 gauge hulls (Rem, Fed, Ched) are all straight wall hulls and thus they will interchange recipes freely. What would the opinions be on using this recipe in a Rem or Ched 2 7/8" hull ?

I’ve not got any Longshot at the moment . I do however have WIN 572 :whistle: I ‘ll try that at some point in a REM or RST/Cheddite hull .

[Craig Larter]

The federal hulls will be lower in pressure because of the fiber base. Cheddite hulls have greater volume so you will need to add an additional 1/8" 16ga card wad in the base of the shot cup. I have RST/Cheddite hulls if you need some.

[Matt Hogue]

Hello all! I am new to the forum and looking to gain some knowledge in regard to loading some 2 7/8 in loads for my grandfather's V-C 10 gauge that my father just gifted me. The gun means more to me and my father than any other gun, or item for that matter, in my possession. I have loaded TSS for my 12s but never tried loading 10 gauge bismuth in the 2 7/8in shell length. I have been reading through Mr. Lester's posts but have been unable to download his spreadsheet data for his 10 loads. Any help would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
Matt Hogue

[Pete Lester]

Try this.

[Matt Hogue]

Thank you, Mr. Lester for your quick response. I was able to print out your load data. This will give me a great place to start. Thanks again!
Matt

[Milton C Starr]

The federal hulls will be lower in pressure because of the fiber base. Cheddite hulls have greater volume so you will need to add an additional 1/8" 16ga card wad in the base of the shot cup. I have RST/Cheddite hulls if you need some.

I was wondering about this recently I was comparing loads of the Cheddite Federal and Remington hulls the Cheddite required a bit more powder and still generated less pressures. These were steel loads however but from the looks of it the Cheddite hull is the roomiest of the bunch.

[David Craze 111]

Me to. Anyone got any low pressure loads for the 2 5/8" 10 gauge

[Cory Rams]

By the time I’m cutting down my hulls and roll crimping they are 2 5/8”…or shorter some times. Imo the 100 grains of FG (real black powder) with 1 5/8 oz lead is lower pressure than any, or most, smokeless powder loads. Have to admit I haven’t shot much since my last post with the old gun. It just doesn’t hold a consistent patten good enough to make it a go to turkey gun. Missed two birds at close range after my double bearder so I sent back to a modern gun.

[Cory Rams]

I don’t think there’s load data for Pyrodex on the spreadsheet. This apparently it’s from a 1983 listing right from Pyrodex. I found it interesting because there was a 2 ounce load at 6900 psi with 100 grains of Pyrodex. Not much more than my low pressure. I’m running with black powder right now with one and 5/8 ounce. Like a good heavy payload, low pressure load if somebody wants to turkey hunt. I see it’s 3 1/2 inch but I would assume loading it at 2 7/8” “it fits in a hull” is going to be the same pressure. If not, there’s a nice low pressure load for the one in 58 ounce 2 7/8”. I’m running 100 grains of FG with the one in 58 ounce load and I’m guessing it’s around the same pressure is 80 grains of Pyrodex. I have a metal can with a pound of CTG powder. I’ll have to try a few test loads. I’m sure gluing in an OS card in an all brass hull will give me plenty of room for 2oz of shot and keep me at lower pressures. RST advertises their ”Damascus safe” ammo at 6,500 psi. I’m sure 90 and 95 grains with 2oz will be right at the same pressure area since a 100 grains is 6,900. IMO it’s nice to find a “ heavy payload” with lighter pressures for turkey hunting.

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