no 4 frame

[charlie cleveland]

i seen a no 4 frame size gun on the tube today it was a 10 ga weight 13 pounds 32 inch barrels it was a d grade gun also.i figured this is a fairly rare gun what do you guys think ps it was a parker brothers. thanks charlie

[Bruce Day]

I think I would mount such a cannon to a boat instead of a tube.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I've only ever seen one other #4 frame 10 gauge, seems like most of them are on #3 which is a little light in my opinion. That's the frame I'd pick if I could order one new actually. A DHE 10 gauge magnum on a #4 frame, pistol grip, splinter forend, double triggers, 36 inch barrels.

Destry

[Kevin McCormack]

Destry, what happened at Mitchell's bay (if anything?). Inquiring minds want to know!

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Not much was happening so I didn't stop over on the way back. Michigan opens this weekend so I'm hunting locally. I probably won't start going to Canada steady until towards the end of the month when the bluebills start showing up.

DLH

[Kurt Densmore]

i seen a no 4 frame size gun on the tube today it was a 10 ga weight 13 pounds 32 inch barrels it was a d grade gun also.i figured this is a fairly rare gun what do you guys think ps it was a parker brothers. thanks charlie

Is it a hammer or hammerless gun?? I have seen several hammer 4 frames but yet to see a hammerless. I think that Jack Puglisi has or had a couple of 4 frame hammer 10's. I do not believe his are/were in the 13 lb range. My 5 frame 32" hammer gun is only a mere 12 lbs... Anything with condition in a D grade is a nice find...

Kurt

[Don Kaas]

I hunted with a G grade (D2) top lever 10ga on a #4 frame for a number of years until I bought my fluid steel barreled #3 frame G toplever. The #4 frame weighed 12 lbs and was bored for 3 1/2" shells which it shot quite well.

[Bill Murphy]

#4 frame higher graded hammer guns were generally made at 11 pounds and were made for pigeons, not waterfowl. Later in the life of these guns, they were probably used more for waterfowl than pigeons. The "11 pound ten gauge" era in competitive pigeon shooting was a short one, generally ending in 1889 or 1890 when Parker Brothers provided their company sponsored shooters with the new hammerless guns, for a short time in ten gauge, soon after with twelve gauges. For whatever reason, probably a change in the rules of the game, the hammerless tens were not as heavy as the previous generation of pigeon guns, and the twelves complied with an even more restrictive weight rule. Our flyer expert, Don Kaas, can give us the particulars of the rule changes. Many of the PGCA letters on the 11 pound #4 frame top lever guns of Grade 3 and above will indicate a buyer whose name we may recognize as a competitive shooter, and some will show a substantial discount in price, indicating a shooter assisted by Parker Brothers.

[charlie cleveland]

sirs i apoligize for posting this gun wrong. it is a 6 frame gun instead of a 4 frame as i had posted it it is also a n grade instead of d grade it is a hammerless gun with damacus barrels but it did weigh 13 pounds .thats the weigh its stated. i still think this is a rare gun what do yall think. im sorry for posting this gun wrong will try to do better . thanks charlie

[Don Kaas]

#6 frame 10 gauges are "rare". If the barrels and bores are good with their chokes intact, the wood sound and the price is right, I'd buy it, if I were me (or you were me). My 36" DH 8 gauge is on a #6 frame as are most Parker 8 bores. A 32" #6 frame 10g is a hefty gat...to say the least.

[Dave Suponski]

Could it possibly be an elusive 8 gauge?

[Kurt Densmore]

Could it possibly an elusive 8 gauge?

What dave said...??
Sounds like a nice find in a 10 and a great find in an 8....good luck

Kurt

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Charlie,

I'd buy that one if I was you, sounds like a winner.

Destry

[Bill Murphy]

Yes, it is rare and valuable if in passable condition. PM me the whereabouts of this gun and I will tell Don where it is. Thanks.

[charlie cleveland]

this no 6 frame gun is in good shape. damascus barrels finnish pretty good bores good. man wants 5 k what do yall think. thanks for all the advice charlie . ps loaded up some light loads in 8 gauge today 30 grains blue dot powder 2 ounce shot no 7 1/2 shot they had avery mild kick to them about like a 20 ga patterns were very very good and good pentration thanks again charlie

[Robin Lewis]

Charlie, if its as nice as you say, I would own it by now. I seldom have the opportunity to handle an 8 let alone see one for sale and never at that price.:shock:

[Don Kaas]

Something a bit odd about this thread...Ol' Charlie just happened to have some 8 ga components and cases about for the gun he thought was a 10ga. Hmmmmmm....

[Dean Romig]

You noticed too . . .

[Bill Murphy]

Yeah, and Charlie has not sent me a PM.

[Dave Suponski]

I Win!!!!!:bowdown:

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I know Charlie personally, he's a good ol' boy. He owns a Loomis 8 gauge he bought from me and a Parker 8 gauge lifter as well.

Destry

[C Roger Giles]

And Destry return your phone calls Roger

[Don Kaas]

Nothing against Ol' Charlie, I just am failing to follow the narrative of this thread much like my failed attempt to read "Swann's Way" in French...I do smell orange cookies, however, everytime I think of it...perhaps that was "a la Recherche du temps perdu", come to think of it...then again those madeleines may have been soaked in Hoppe's #9...signed, Confused in Palm:duck:

[Destry L. Hoffard]

So as not to add to further confusion, Roger's posting about me returning my calls had nothing to do with the gun. He was just curious if I wanted to go squirrel hunting Saturday in Ohio but, unfortunately, I'm otherwise engaged with the opening day ducks here in Michigan.


Destry

[Don Kaas]

No, dear boy, my confusion had nothing to do with Codger's post which I presumed had to do with squirrels or such. It had to do with the front half of this cluster whatever...

[Fred Preston]

Rog, Lots of tree rats over this way. They're eatin' all my shrooms. Please help!

Fred

[Dean Romig]

Don, it's like a very large Rapala was towed through the forum . . .

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I'm sure Charlie will straighten us all out when this deal comes to fruit. I emailed him just yesterday afternoon with nosey questions.

DLH

[Don Kaas]

A eight gauge Parker...low hanging fruition...

[John Dallas]

Years ago, before my retirement from Ford, I had a buffoon boss who continually talked about bringing projects to "fruitation"

[Bill Murphy]

Don, I believe I witnessed something along the lines of "low hanging fruit" on my late arrival at the Vintagers Thursday morning.

[charlie cleveland]

the gun in question is a parker brothers . it is a hammerless .10 gauge. double barrel. n grade. twist barrels. 32 in ch in lenght. number 6 frame . weight 13 pounds . good bores nice wood no case colors left. this is what stated on the internet. price 5000.00. charlie

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Don't get too excited guys, it's a gun Pug has that's listed online.

DLH

[Kurt Densmore]

Rog, Lots of tree rats over this way. They're eatin' all my shrooms. Please help!

Fred

May as well go further off subject....

Fred...are you chasing those stump shrooms again..??? I just cut up nearly a gallon of them and fryed up a few to go with the pot roast.

Kurt

[John Dallas]

What are stump shrooms? Not aware of any good edible stuff this time of the year

[Kurt Densmore]

What are stump shrooms? Not aware of any good edible stuff this time of the year

Well, an older gentleman has shown me what they look like and has been eating them his whole life as has several generations of his family. It is also said that there were eaten in the old country, Czechoslovakia. There are a lot of Czech and Slovak people that settled in the Bannister Area. Looking at the National Audubon Society Field Guide to Mushrooms I believe that these are more commonly called Changing pholiota, Pholiota mutabilis. The pictures are not very good but the description is pretty good. They are called "stumpies" or "stump mushrooms" locally. They grow throughout north america and are most commonly found in clusters on coniferous and deciduous logs and stumps in September-November. In this area they are usually most abundant toward the end of October but this fall has been wet and cold.

http://www.svims.ca/council/illust/Pholiota%20mutabilis%201%20Ben%20Woo.htm

http://mycomagnet.com/taxa_info.php?tid=1007

Make sure you determine the differences between it and Galerina.

[Fred Preston]

That's it Kurt. We have Galerina also, though not often this time of year. My brother, a microbioligist, used to collect them for cell research (I think to use as a paralizer). How's that for OT.

[John Dallas]

Think I'll stick with Morels and Oyster shrooms.