Grade 3 20 guage lifter

[calvin humburg]

Has anybody seen the above gun on Julies e-mail? Whats on the lockplate looks like it has a tail but it does not look like a dog, could be? Cool flying duck on bottom. From my limited research it's 1 of 3.

[edgarspencer]

Hard to see it very clearly. Maybe a fox? Too bad they don't show a close-up on the other side.

[Dean Romig]

Who is Julie?

[edgarspencer]

Who is Julie?

My wife.
I'm pretty sure Calvin meant James Julia. Either that or it's huge coincidence that he has a grade 3 20ga. lifter.

[Frank Cronin]

I bet it was a typo....

Scroll down 3/4 of the way down or use the search function on your browser and type "Parker". An early back action #59 and also check out that Lefever.... Wow!

http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/div_catalog_320_sh.asp

[Dean Romig]

Naw, I just have a hard time with a Kansas accent... always have... my fault ;)

[Frank Cronin]

Dean, I'm sure you've heard this before from other people from other parts of the US... they say we are the ones from the east coast primarily from the Boston area who have the accent and talk funny....

So yeah Calvin, that 20 gauge Parkah is wicked pissa!!:cool:

[Ray Pond]

and wow what about the 410 just above it.

[calvin humburg]

Well heck i'll just take the M-60 and you well speaking yanks can have the shotguns.:cool: Yes a typo a instead of e forgot my ' to. James Julia e-mail there.......

[Dean Romig]

There were two nicer .410's at the East Coast Fine Arms Show two weeks ago but only one of them was for sale.

No, I didn't buy it.

[calvin humburg]

Any nice grade 2 or 3 top lever hammer guns?

[Dean Romig]

A clunker or two in lower grades but nothing nice.

[Rich Anderson]

As much as I'd like a Parker 20ga hammer gun I won't be bidding on this one.

[Dean Romig]

Nor will I.

[Bill Murphy]

Would that be because of the price or the condition?

[Dean Romig]

Because of the price I expect it will ascend to. :shock:

The condition appears to be exceptionally good - not pristine or high, just exceptionally good.

[edgarspencer]

Because of the price I expect it will ascend to. :shock:

If you could get that message out to all the other high roller collectors, and maybe get them to swear they'll abstain, I may empty out the penny jar, cash in the egg money and look under all the couch cushions, then make a stab at it, the old college try and all.

[Dean Romig]

I expect this gun will certainly attract an enthusiastic, deep-pocketed bunch of collectors and shooters.

[Rich Anderson]

I wouldn't bid on it if my pockets were limitless in depth and I had just won the lottery just because of where it is and the people involved.

[edgarspencer]

Well Rich, That honey of a 16 goes a long way towards easing the pain of knowing somebody else will own the 20 lifter.

[Austin W Hogan]

It may be worth a trip to Maine just to see this lot auctioned. There are only 14 lifter 20's archived; the three Dam 3 's are on the longer, check hook action.

4634 is the first U20; it is on a one frame with unique engraving; it is the highest grade lifter 20 known.
10165 and 17448 have been shown at PGCA. They are on a small frame comparable to a hammerless 00.
15838 was also shown at PGCA. It is on the later standard 0 frame, and the only L3. It is very modern in appearance.

Will there be 5? 10? more? bidders on the line when this lot is called? This will have a major influence on U20 collectability.

Best, Austin

[Rich Anderson]

Edgar I'm glad your enjoying the 16. How doe this gun differ from the Chicken Coop gun of Mr. Herzog?

[edgarspencer]

Rich, wasn't the chicken coop gun a top lever? Other than that not much.

[Rich Anderson]

I thought it was a lifter but thats "memory" for you:)

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I'm sure Bruce will remind us.

DLH

[edgarspencer]

$28,000 plus commissions

[Chuck Bishop]

Gulp!!! Hopefully the PGCA bought it for the 2013 raffle gun (fat chance)

[Robin Lewis]

Others sold for: lot 1111 - 20 ga BHE $16,000
lot 1112 - 410 VHE $21,000
lot 1113 - 28 ga GH $13,500
lot 1114 - 8 ga A1s upgrade $16,000
lot 1115 - 20 ga AAH upgrade $11,000
lot 1116 - 20 ga DHE $5,000
lot 1117 - 20 ga GHE $5,750
lot 1118 - 16 ga GHE Skeet $6250
lot 1119 - 12 ga DHE $3,100
lot 1120 - 12 ga 1 1/2 frame 2 barrel $3,000
lot 1121 - 12 ga back action $3,000
lot 1122 - 20 ga lifter $28,000
lot 1123 - 12 ga G $2,500
lot 1124 - 10 ga #2 lifter $9,500
lot 1125 - 28 ga VH $8,000 (good buy)
lot 1126 - 20 ga VHE $2,500
lot 1127 - 12 ga VH 1 1/2 frame $1,200
lot 1128 - 12 ga VH 1 1/2 frame $1,000

All these were bids, add 17% buyers premium and 6% Maine Tax for final cost to buyer.

[Dave Suponski]

Robin, Well ? :)

[Robin Lewis]

Nope, but as I rode home I was thinking....... "I should have".

It seems about 4K over my self imposed limit to me but then it had a very nice fitted oak & leather case that I didn't factor in my limit calculation. I set my limit at 12 but that was gun only, I should have took into account the case and accessories that came with it. Oh well, I didn't "need" it anyway. I don't know who did the work but it was very well executed. Someone got a nice one. It would have been a lot of fun at Addieville this Spring!

[edgarspencer]

I was light headed when they got through the 17 row of Winchesters. $255,000. Tomorrows Winchesters requires a note from my doctor.

[Dean Romig]

Of course I wasn't there in Fairfield so I couldn't examine the guns (and I never received my catalog!!!) so I have no idea of the condition of the guns you listed Robin, but it seems like the gun market is still suffering a bit of depression - case in point, the Grade 2 28 gauge.
I suspected the 20 ga. Grade 3 lifter would go to $24 - $26 and it appeard more than one serious collector wanted it badly enough.

[edgarspencer]

I can't say with any authority whatsoever whether the Parkers went poorly. Many had 'issues' as compared to originally shipped, but a DHE 20 ga for $5k is startling.
On the whole, I felt that much of the Winchesters assembled were going very well. I Have a difficult time believing a std grade '92, in the least desireable cartridge, 38-40, can be worth six thousand dollars. Condition may have trumped caliber here, but I have seen, and have several that are equal to, if not better, for less than half that.
Tomorrow's Winchesters are the stuff dreams are made of, and I'm anxious to see how they do, if only to reaffirm my knowledge I'll never have one like most of them.

[Richard Flanders]

I don't think I've seen a better lineup of fine Winchesters. Stunning. Not enough High Walls for me though.... One could spend hundreds of thousands just tomorrow! I want the long bbld 1886 in .50 express! What a beauty. Seems that lot 1123, the 12ga lifter for $2500 was reasonable. I really like lot 1124 the 10ga lifter in the case w/goodies. Nice piece. Lot 1584, the damascus Colt .45-70 dble rifle, S/N 32, is to die for! What a fine moose gun that would make.

[Bill Murphy]

I had high hopes that some day I would own the A-1 Special 8 gauge. I first saw and coveted that gun in the late sixties or early seventies on Jack Puglisi's table at Baltimore. It would be a great rainy day snow goose killer.

[Brian Stucker]

Of course I wasn't there in Fairfield so I couldn't examine the guns (and I never received my catalog!!!) so I have no idea of the condition of the guns you listed Robin, but it seems like the gun market is still suffering a bit of depression - case in point, the Grade 2 28 gauge.
I suspected the 20 ga. Grade 3 lifter would go to $24 - $26 and it appeard more than one serious collector wanted it badly enough.

Dean, are all quality shotgun values off a bit, or are certain guns trading at lesser prices than others?

[Dean Romig]

Too tough to call on that question Brian.

Bill... was that "tongue in cheek (I hope)?