My First Trojan

[Angel Cruz]

I hope you guys are sitting down. You all ain't gonna believe this.. You will but you know what I mean!!
I'm waiting for delivery on My First Trojan ser # 181193. She is a 20 ga with.... are you ready??? 30 inch bbls. Yes 30 inch bbls.
You guys in the know know that Volume 1 says no Trojans with 30 inch bbls.
Not only does it have 30 inch bbls but is one of two ordered by A. W. du Bray!!!!
Mr. Conrad was kind enough to take a peek at the books before he receives my research letter request. In the meantime I'm dying to get this gun in my hands.

[E Robert Fabian]

Congrats Angle can't wait for you to post pictures.

[ed good]

one of the great things about collecting guns is finding the exceptions...every time i hear "they never did that", i am reminded of posts like this...

[charlie cleveland]

lucky you..congratulationsis in order on such a find... charlie

[Angel Cruz]

Thanks Charlie!

[Dave Suponski]

Nice find Angel......I have a 30" VH that I am pretty fond of. You are gonna love that gun..:)

[Dean Romig]

Congratulations Angel! The rare ones still come to the surface from time to time and this one is proof!

[Eric Eis]

Where do you find some of this stuff Angel , brand new A&F cases 30" 20 ga Trojan's. You better post some pics of it when you get it. Eric

[Angel Cruz]

The pictures go up the minute I get it.

[Roger Whitfield]

Angel be sure to check the chambers and if they are 3" call me right away and I will get down there and pick it up. Those things are a ticking time bomb :nono:so let me know right away. Regards, Roger :rotf:

[Angel Cruz]

You will be the first to know Roger!!!:)

[Mark Landskov]

That is cool, Angel! Even the Trojan can provide some surprises. Good on ya!

[Angel Cruz]

I finally got my Trojan 20 ga. She's not perfect but what a sweet little gun. I would be surprised if she weights 6 pounds. The LOP is 14 inches and the DAH is an even 3 inches. The chambers are 2-1/2 inches and chokes are rt. bbl. Full and Lt. bbl. Imp Mod. Gonna have to change that... And she needs a good cleaning!!!

[Bill Murphy]

That's a pretty rare Parker to be messing with the original chokes. What does the order book say about the chokes?

[Angel Cruz]

Murph, I'm still waiting on the letter from Mr Conrad. Can't wait to see what it says.
It would be something if it mentioned the screws on the top rib!!

[Bill Murphy]

The picture shows two screws in the rib. Are there more? Be sure to scan the PGCA letter for us.

[Angel Cruz]

Just the two screws in the picture. And I will post the research letter and copy of the order book page. Mr Conrad thinks I should write an article on the gun.

[Brian Dudley]

Darn! Another one with Screws. Been seeing a lot of that lately. Very nice find though! Great Gun.

[Bill Murphy]

Anyone want one with screws? I have a minty VHE 20, late Remington gun with single trigger and beavertail with four 5-40 holes one inch apart. It's the highest condition Parker I own. I'm thinking about four ivory beads.

[Brian Dudley]

Bill, for that gun, I think I could deal with the screws.

[Dean Romig]

Well Angel, there's your quail gun!

[Angel Cruz]

That's what I was thinking. I already order a flat of RST's 7-1/2 shot. I can't do anything this weekend since I have to take Nash to a dog show, but next weekend, is on!!

[Angel Cruz]

Here you go Murph, not much to read. Too bad someone opened up the lt. bbl
to ImpMod.

[Bill Murphy]

The letter is quite interesting, in my opinion. A special order Trojan is a rare bird for one. Another point is that the great Captain couldn't talk the customer into a graded gun for just a few bucks more. It's a great Trojan variation that I would love to own.

[Rich Anderson]

Angel I wouldn't mess with the chokes at all. Shoot spreaders to open the pattern or let get out a little farther.

Nice find congrats.

[Angel Cruz]

Thanks Richrd. I found out this weekend what happens if the bird is too close. Poor thing decintegrated.
Murph, that's one thing I found interesting. Capt. du Bray selling a lowly Trojan. I guess in 1917 a sale is a sale.

[Bill Murphy]

You would have to ask Mark if this order was part of a larger group of guns. Some orders for Trojans are twenty to fifty guns.

[Angel Cruz]

According to the order book this was part of a three gun order. Two 20ga and a 16ga.

[Pete Lester]

You would have to ask Mark if this order was part of a larger group of guns. Some orders for Trojans are twenty to fifty guns.

A special order 30" Trojan 20. Falls into the never say never catagory I think. Thanks for sharing that letter with us Angel, congrats on a cool gun.

[Dave Noreen]

Another great long barrel, tight choked, smallbore for those great old Central Valley duck clubs!!