Butt on 1894 G ??

[william faulk]

Has anyone ever seen this buttplate on a Papker gun.Plate is on a 1894
Dam barrel 12 ga I am looking at ??

[Dean Romig]

Not me, but it's a pretty one and not 'overdone'.

How about showing a couple of pictures of the rest of the stock?

[Bill Murphy]

Elegant.

[Brian Dudley]

Might not be original. Pattern is not like anyone I have seen on other Parkers with checkered butt. Also, would a checkered butt have even been available on the G grade? Maybe by special order only?

[ed good]

very nice work.

[Pete Lester]

Might not be original. Pattern is not like anyone I have seen on other Parkers with checkered butt. Also, would a checkered butt have even been available on the G grade? Maybe by special order only?

Brian my 1934 GHE Skeet came with a checkered butt which was standard treatment for V and G grade skeet guns. The pattern here is much different.

[charlie cleveland]

i like it whether it be original or not... charlie

[Dean Romig]

A good many Parkers either came 'standard' with the checkered butt as pete indicates or with the note in the order "no butt" or "no butt plate" and were therefore checkered. The great majority of checkered butts were done in this style or something very close to this one.


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[Larry Frey]

or with the note in the order "no butt" or "no butt plate" and were therefore checkered.

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Dean,
I have asked the question regarding the "no butt" notation several times here and to various gunsmiths and collectors and could never get a consensus answer. Where did you get the information that leads you to the conclusion that "no butt" represents the checkered butt treatment? I don't doubt that what you say is true but would be interested if it is documented somewhere or just speculation. Thanks, Larry

[Bill Murphy]

This was discussed here not long ago. In my diminished mental condition, I can't remember what evidence was presented or what conclusion we reached. I have seen a bunch more Parker orders for "no butt" than I have seen Parkers with checkered wood butts.

[Brian Dudley]

I was aware of this being standard treatment on the Skeet models, but not on regular G's.

[Dean Romig]

Larry and all - it may still be speculative. In speaking with Mark it is probably inconclusive but checkered butts often appear on guns with the "no butt" notation.
I believe Mark has found no conclusive evidence of this.

The standard butt treatment on the Grade 2 hammerless was the hard rubber 'dog's head buttplate'.

[Bill Murphy]

Dean, can you give us examples of guns with factory appearing checkered butts that have corresponding PGCA letters that specify "no butt"?

[Brian Dudley]

My wife says I have "no butt". However, I think we are speaking of something different here. lol.

[Larry Frey]

Dean/Bill,
The reason for my curiosity is that I have a gun from 1902 that letters "no butt" which came to me with a replacement stock that needed to be replaced. I asked Mark when lettering the gun as well as everyone else I could think of but never felt certain what "no butt" really meant. I asked Babe DelGrego if he thought perhaps the butt was left unfinished to be fitted by the new owner and his feeling was that PB would not let an unfinished gun out of the building. The more I think about the checkered butt theory the more it seems to make sense. How did PB designate a checkered butt in the stock books?

[Dean Romig]

Bill, I can be absolutely certain of one gun in particular and I'll post the ser# this evening.

I may have other examples... I'll have to check my records.

[Dave Suponski]

Dean, Never mind this...get back to work......:rotf:

[Dean Romig]

:cuss:

[Bill Murphy]

Dave, let Dean alone so he can post pix of the gun and the letter. I will search my files for "no butt" orders.

[Dean Romig]

Here is the Grade 4 twenty-gauge with checkered butt which is annotated in the ledger by "no butt". It also had 30" Damascus barrels and originally had no safety but now has a safety.

The serial number is 183258


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[Larry Frey]

Dean,
This post got me wondering when the first Parker with a checkered butt was made so I checked in the Parkers Found section of the winter issue of PP and did not see a listing. If any of our forum members own a Parker with an original checkered butt they should post the serial number and we could get the oldest number entered in Parkers Found.

ps: I hope you plan to bring that beautiful little 20 gage to the show this weekend for our display.

[Dean Romig]

I tried to buy it two years ago but the owner finally decided not to sell it. All I got were the pictures and an ache in my heart...

[Bill Murphy]

Dean, was the C grade notation of "no butt" in the stock book or the order book? OK, here are the stock book entries I found. The William Wagner AAH comp gun order states "no heel plate". I think Mark Conrad can tell us about the present status of that butt. Next, another Wagner AAH, order states "no butt plate" "no safe". Next, PH #81140, order book states "no heel plate". Next, GH, #80882, order book states "no butt". Next, PH, #83894, order book says "no butt", "no safe". Next, VH, #90477, order book says "no butt". Next, GH, #85991, order book says "no heel plate", "3 inch chamber". Next, PH, #87173, order book says "no butt plate". So PB used several designations for whatever it is, checkered butt or an unfinished butt. If a customer, in these cases, a dealer, wants to finish the gun to a specific length with a recoil pad, he wouldn't want to contend with a skeleton butt or a rubber butt (dogs head) because the peak extends far into the heel of the stock. Of course, we have only the Wagner comp gun to inspect.

[Dean Romig]

I hope if any reader of this thread has one of these guns he will chime in and let us know what sort of butt treatment the gun has now or when he first received it.
Thanks Bill for those notations.

[Bill Murphy]

Dean, maybe you could check with Mark about the Wagner comp gun. We saw it at the 2010 meeting but I don't remember what the butt looked like.

[Larry Frey]

Bill,
Go to page 25 of the spring 2010 issue of Parker Pages. There you will find a picture of two handsome fellows admiring the Wagner gun. That was truly a great event.