44 game getter

[charlie cleveland]

have just bought a single barrel iver johnson 44...dont have it in hand yet...gun is suppose to also fire the 410 2 1/2 inch shell... any of yall ever shot or used one of these little guns... or shot the 44 ball load i dont imagine the 44 ball load has much knockdown power but i can use a liile imagination... charlie

[Mark Landskov]

It sounds like a cool little gun, Charlie. What is the barrel marked, in regards to caliber? The 'Game Getter' shot cartridge used the 44 WCF case with a flush seated topwad. The 44 XL used the same case with a long shot container. The Game Getter also used the 44 WCF case with a round ball. The Game Getter cartridges were headstamped '44 G.G.' Try to find the Ideal loading tool, specifically for the 44 XL! Someone here has an original Game Getter and probably has more info on ammunition. Post a photo of your new shotgun, I am curious to see it!

[charlie cleveland]

the gun is still in the mail works should have it by saturday...in there pictures its marked just 44...thats a good picture of the 44 shot shell...these guns should make a close range squirl gun what do you think... charlie

[edgarspencer]

Charley, Is the Iver Johnson called a 'Game Getter' or are you just calling it that?
The reason I ask is the Marbles made a variety of short barreled guns with a folding skeleton stock that was also called The Game Getter.
For a long time, people kept them hidden in their underwear drawer because it was a class 1, category 3 firearm by the ATF. To the best of my knowledge, they are now classified as a curio, but may require a $5 stamp. I'm not about to call and ask though.

[Jeff Mayhew]

I may be wrong, but a "curio" just means it can be sent to a C&R license holder; doesn't change the NFA classification. My understanding is that any shoulder-stocked weapon (meaning, manufactured that way, regardless of present configuration) with barrels under 18" is an AOW ("any other weapon") because it is a "short-barreled rifle." An old Colt cap-and-ball pistol (or any pistol, like a broom-handle mauser or luger w/shoulder-stock case) fitted to accept a shoulder-stock is not an SBR, because it was made as a pistol. Don't think too hard about it, it'll just make your head hurt.

The other complication is state laws, which vary on ownership of NFA stuff.

[charlie cleveland]

now im confused im going to have to wait to get the little gun to see what it says it is... qwner said it was 44 marked and would shoot the 410 2 1/2 inch shell...ive not got to worry about thebig bows the little gun has a fixed shoulder stock and look to be 26 inch barrel... charlie

[calvin humburg]

I thought you shot a 45 cal. in a 410 or using my floppy disk wich is pretty floppy. Or maybe i'm thinking of shooting a 410 in a 45 70 maybe it fire formes?

[edgarspencer]

I may be wrong, but a "curio" just means it can be sent to a C&R license holder; doesn't change the NFA classification.
It's a lot more than the shipping Jeff.Yes, a C&R licensee can ship and receive, but the devil is in the definition of what a Curio or Relic actually is.
Maybe this will shed some light on it:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-10.pdf

[charlie cleveland]

have the little 44 in hand now...the top of gun is marked 44 cal. ...... its a smooth borei shot a 410 slug 2 1/2 inch in it....accuracy was amazing at 40 yards it was dead on...guns been rechambered to except 410 2 1/2 shell...its in pretty good shape still tite but has a lot of little dings in the wood...no tellin how many kids have toted the little gun or what type of grociers they took home with them years ago....will try it on squirls before long mite take a slug along with me just in case a deer comes by...its been hangin on the wall for 30 years thought id give it another chance..... charlie

[Jeff Mayhew]

Charlie is this your new gun (below)? A "Champion" shotgun originally chambered for .44 shotshell? Apparently it was very common to modify these for 410 shells.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/iver.jpg

[charlie cleveland]

jeff this isthe twin of my gun....same markings.. nice little gun you have jeff... ever shoot it.... charlie

[Jeff Mayhew]

Charlie, I'm sorry I wasn't clear about the picture--the gun isn't mine. I scavenged this picture off of a long-expired auction. Was so anxious to see a picture of your new gun that I felt the next best thing was to thrown something up and see if you recognized it.

Now that you mention it, though, I'm going to keep my eye out for one...

[charlie cleveland]

will try to post pictures soon...these are well built and solid guns plus the sighting or aim looking down the barrel is almost as good as sites....i see a few of these little guns on gunbroker from time to time... charlie

[Dave Noreen]

In the early years of the 20th century, many of our manufacturers offered single barrels and low priced doubles (usually cheap Belgian imports) in .44 Caliber. This is my Harrington & Richardson Arms Co. Model 1905 --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Harrington%20and%20Richardson/Model190501.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Harrington%20and%20Richardson/Model190502.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Harrington%20and%20Richardson/Model190503.jpg

These guns were intended for the .44 WCF shot cartridge and the .44XL shot cartridge. See the bottom of this page from the 1906 Wm Read & Sons catalogue --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Harrington%20and%20Richardson/HRSingles1906WmReadSonscatalogue.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Winchester44XLShotStaynless.jpg

These guns were actually .44 caliber. The .410-bore spade for my bore mic rattles around in this H & R.

This from the 1912 SD&G catalogue --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/LittleHR1912SDGCatalogue.jpg

The European 12 mm shot shells began being manufactured in the U.S., about 1915, as the .410-bore/12 mm, and J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. claimed to be the first U.S. Company chambering for that shell. This from the 1918-19 Rem-UMC catalogue --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Remington/1918-19410-borelisting.jpg

These early 2-inch .410-bore shells carried a load of 3/10 ounce of shot. When the 2 1/2 inch .410-bore shell was introduced it carried a load of 3/8 ounce of shot.

[Dave Noreen]

Here are some other early tiny-bore shotguns. From 1912 SD&G catatloge --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/WmParkhurstsmallbores1912SDandGCata.jpg

1902 Sears --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/LittleLadies44CaliberShotgun1902.jpg

I didn't record where this ad was from --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Ladies44CalibreShotgun.jpg

[charlie cleveland]

thanks a million....never knew that there was so much info on the little guns....i would like to order one of those 11.00 dollar 28 ga doubles.... charlie

[edgarspencer]

They're on backorder Charlie.

[charlie cleveland]

dog goneit i sure hope they get some in soon i sure would like to have one by next year...which aint long....charlie

[Jeff Mayhew]

dog goneit i sure hope they get some in soon i sure would like to have one by next year...which aint long....charlie

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But in the mean time, I'm going to get me one of those little single-shot .410's, based on your endorsement.

[charlie cleveland]

you cant go wrong with one of these little guns... and they dont beak the bank when you buy one... heres hoping santa will find you one before long.... charlie

[Jeff Mayhew]

you cant go wrong with one of these little guns... and they dont beak the bank when you buy one... heres hoping santa will find you one before long.... charlie

Charlie, finally got my mitts on one of these little single-shot .410s from Iver Johnson's "Arms & Bicycle Works." Haven't had a chance to fire it yet, but it locks up tight, has a mirror bore, and seems very well-constructed. Barrel is 26" and appears to have a 3" chamber. This one is actually marked as .410 on the barrel, not .44. Looking forward to a field test.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/iver1.jpg

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/iver2.jpg

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/iver3.jpg

[charlie cleveland]

good for you jeff...looks like a keeper to me...these little guns are neat.... charlie

[Bill Murphy]

Steve Barnett has a little Charles Daly 9MM shot mini gun on his site right now. $95,000.00, trades welcome.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

There was a Crescent double barrel .410 hammer gun walking around at the MAAC show this past weekend. Was super clean, probably the best one I've seen. But the price was $950 firm which I thought was a trifle sporty.

DLH

[Jeff Mayhew]

Steve Barnett has a little Charles Daly 9MM shot mini gun on his site right now. $95,000.00, trades welcome.

A bit too pimped-up for my taste... but check out the 4 gauge punt gun! :shock:

[Chuck Bishop]

For you small bore enthusiasts, I have a 9mm Winchester Model 36 in 9mm for sale for a lot less than 95K. Of course don't expect gold inlays for what I'm asking:rotf: