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Jeff Mayhew
11-18-2011, 08:39 PM
Here are a few more details on the pheasant gun (sn 27257, discussed in another thread), just arrived. The gun is in pretty good shape, with sound wood but very worn checkering. Bores good (more "misted" than pitted). 2 7/8" chambers. S/Ns all matching. The mainspring is missing on the right lock, so I'm in the market for one. Some buggered screws to replace. Muzzles unmolested (30 inch barrels). The action is tighter than I expected, with the lever slightly to the right of center when closed. Firing pins have no return springs (free-floating). I shall order a letter (website says info is available).

Here's a closeup of the engraving on the right lock (sorry, not too sharp):

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/DSC_5392.jpg

Seated birds on the left lock:

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/DSC_5402.jpg

Something else on the bottom; a woodcock? First kiwi on a Parker? :)

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/DSC_5395.jpg

The question I have is what the initial's "L & K" stand for, as stamped into the wood on the inside of the splinter forend:

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/DSC_5397.jpg

Any ideas? Thanks again for the great forum!

George Lander
11-19-2011, 10:15 PM
What would the "L&K" on the forearm wood stand for?

George

Jeff Mayhew
11-19-2011, 10:32 PM
Yeah, that's my question!

Jeff Mayhew
11-19-2011, 11:03 PM
I might add that one of the consequences of firing pins with no return springs (discussed on another thread) is notches on the extractor. I noticed this today in disassembling and cleaning of the pheasant gun.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/notches-1.jpg

Dean Romig
11-20-2011, 10:34 PM
Parker Bros. figured that out and on later guns filed notches into the extractor so the strikers wouldn't hang up.

Austin W Hogan
11-21-2011, 05:19 PM
These birds look quite pheasant like; the left bird has a ring about its neck.

This is the left lock on a 9 pound, 10 gauge, check hook lifter, s/n 24590. It appears to be quite extensively engraved for a grade 2.
It would be interesting to see some additional grade 2 guns in this serial range.

Best, Austin

David Holes
11-21-2011, 06:45 PM
The D grade hammer gun in my albums, has 3 pretty phezs on the bottem of the frame. 47281 serial number.

Dean Romig
11-21-2011, 09:16 PM
That is one beautiful Grade 2 Austin. Is that the one that hangs under your mantle?

Austin W Hogan
11-21-2011, 09:29 PM
Here is an enlarged view of the "cock" . Amazing how an engraver can turn scratches into form. Note also the guide lines for Parker Bros

The "fireplace gun" this year is a D top action.

Best Austin

Dean Romig
11-21-2011, 09:38 PM
I'm always amazed at the work of an engraver, no matter how simple or elaborate it is the "scratches" always "turn to form".

Jack Cronkhite
11-21-2011, 09:51 PM
The question I have is what the initial's "L & K" stand for, as stamped into the wood on the inside of the splinter forend

Maybe a railroad. This is 1950's era. Parker to guard the mail/baggage cars?? not too likely but fun searching.
Cheers
Jack

http://nmra2013.org/sites/nmra2013.org/files/imagecache/large/image/layout/B04_0.JPG
SOURCE (http://nmra2013.org/layout/l-k-railroad)

Jeff Mayhew
11-21-2011, 11:58 PM
These birds look quite pheasant like; the left bird has a ring about its neck.

This is the left lock on a 9 pound, 10 gauge, check hook lifter, s/n 24590. It appears to be quite extensively engraved for a grade 2.
It would be interesting to see some additional grade 2 guns in this serial range.

Best, Austin

The 27257 gun is a 9lb, 5oz grade 2 example, as stamped on the water table. I'll do my best to shoot some better pictures of the engraving. There is lots of it.

Jeff Mayhew
11-22-2011, 11:46 AM
Maybe a railroad. This is 1950's era. Parker to guard the mail/baggage cars?? not too likely but fun searching.
Cheers
Jack

SOURCE (http://nmra2013.org/layout/l-k-railroad)

Thanks Jack. I've sent for a letter on the gun; doubt it will give us any clues, but we'll see.

Jeff Mayhew
12-03-2011, 03:55 PM
Just received the letter on #27257. The mystery was what the initials "L & K" stand for, as stamped into the wood on the underside of the forend:

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/spikeismyname/DSC_5397.jpg

The letter states that the gun was shipped to Liddle and Kaeding in San Francisco on Dec. 14, 1882. L & K were gunmakers and dealers, 1872-1889, at 418 Washington Street, San Francisco. Details on the brief history of what was for a time the largest sporting goods shop in San Francisco can be found online.

Other than that, I am happy to say that the gun is in the original configuration in all respects, although I haven't checked the chokes. The letter lists them as RH and LH full (195 #8 pellets in a 24" circle at 45 yards for both).

Jack Cronkhite
12-03-2011, 08:19 PM
Interesting history. Chased the name around a bit on Google. Discovered there is another collecting fraternity very intrigued with glass "target balls" They are pretty rare as most were blown to bits in a cloud of lead shot. This one sold for 9000$. I'd rather have the CHE that blew them to bits. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Cheers,
Jack

http://fineestateliquidation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Liddle-and-Kaeding-Agents-glass-target-ball.jpg

SOURCE (http://fineestateliquidation.com/would-we-still-shoot-these-today/)

Jeff Mayhew
12-03-2011, 09:35 PM
Thanks Jack. Aren't these the kind of targets that Annie Oakley would shoot with her smooth bore Marlin and Winchester "rifles" with .410 shotshells?

Since Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show was often performed in a tent, I wonder how well that worked out for the audience and the tent. Folks were a bit less squeamish about safety in those days.

Dean Romig
12-03-2011, 09:48 PM
Those balls were often filled with feathers for the effect when the target was broken.