Pintail Point This Weekend

[Ed Blake]

As I understand it there will be no PGCA tent at this year's Vintagers. Will there be an exhibit in one of the big tents? I want to say hello to folks and was wondering where the Parker guys will hang out. Who is going?

[Bill Murphy]

Kevin McCormack and I will have a booth. We will not know its location until Wednesday when we set up. Please stop by and visit.

[Austin W Hogan]

Bill; please pass my greetings to any of the old gang that happen by.

Best, Austin

[Bill Murphy]

Many Parker people visit our tables, no matter where Kevin and I exhibit. We will pass on your greetings, Austin.

[Bill Murphy]

I'm sure my friend, George Blair, will be there exhibiting with another PGCA friend, Jerry Smith.

[George Blair]

I'm sure my friend, George Blair, will be there exhibiting with another PGCA friend, Jerry Smith.

In a few hours!

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Bill Kevin, I know you guys will get a lot of visitors, wish I could be there even with the rain they are forecasting, Kevin I think I have a lead on that case for the other two hammer guns let you know when I get it and will need you to modify it for me. Have gotten many compliments on the other case you did for me, Have a good show and smoke a good cigar for me! Gary

[John Campbell]

Not to be too cynical, but this may have been God's way of saying "EPIC Game Fair was the place to be."

By His grace, I was there. And it was fantastic. And no rain.

Best, Kensal

[Bill Murphy]

Your post may have been meant as a joke, but if you really want to do some good, tell us about the great time you had and what you saw.

[John Campbell]

Mr. Murphy:
First, may I suggest you consider therapy. The experience may be able to help recover what is left of your sense of humour. Not to mention civility.

Apparently you have misinterpreted my admittedly jaundiced assessment of prevailing weather conditions for these events.

For that, I apologise to God and the science of meteorology.

I also had no hand in the conflict of dates involved, but under the circumstances, I was glad I went to EPIC. And... I would have enjoyed going to both. But not so much Vintagers in a driving Maryland torrent.

Still, I have no idea what kind of "failed business venture" you are referring to, so I shall refrain from offhandedly characterising you as an "idiot" as you have me.

To add perspective, I have attended many Vintagers events, plan on attending more, and wish Ray P. and his organisation only the best in future. Along with good weather.

Respectfully, Kensal

[Bill Murphy]

I deleted the sharp comments from my post, but I still think the decisions made by the EPIC organizers were a slap in the face to those who wished to attend both events and they did a disservice to vendors at both events by thinning the gate, again at both events.

[Eric Eis]

I deleted the sharp comments from my post, but I still think the decisions made by the EPIC organizers were a slap in the face to those who wished to attend both events and they did a disservice to vendors at both events by thinning the gate, again at both events.

Bill I could not agree with you more....What they did was divide the SxS community . The good news is the Epic event did not draw a tenth of the people that their press releases said so maybe they can fade into the sunset along with there lead shot ban...:cuss:

[John Campbell]

Gentlemen:
If there is anything that will do disservice to the SxS community -- and help seal the fate of shooting sports as a whole -- it is lack of foresight, deference... and rejection of our sport by responsible individuals.

I have no idea why EPIC was created or scheduled to take place on the same weekend as Vintagers. But I doubt if there was any mendacity involved. What's more, I could also give a fig about the steel shot issue.

What does trouble me is negativity that has been prevalent on this board -- and others -- regarding alleged plots, hidden agendas, resentment and jealously surrounding EPIC v. Vintagers.

These concocted controversies and unfounded accusations only serve to demean BOTH events. And in the end, perhaps result in our collective loss.

In my view, it is prudent to encourage and support both events. That includes a respectful entreaty to EPIC so mavens of the double gun can attend BOTH -- not one or the other. Steel shot? Whining about that restriction gains nothing. EPIC was much more than shooting. But I understand that next year's even may be adjusted to allow lead shot. Why not support such an effort rather than complain and foster contentiousness?

As I've said, I now relish BOTH Vintagers and EPIC. And the latter has great potential for the future.

To wish EPIC ill fortune at this point is simply childish.

Why not think constructively and have them both?

Best, Kensal

[Eric Eis]

"I have no idea why EPIC was created or scheduled to take place on the same weekend as Vintagers. But I doubt if there was any mendacity involved. What's more, I could also give a fig about the steel shot issue."

Well Kensal I do give a "fig" about steel shot (if you understood vintage guns you would understand) :cuss: Also interesting to see you have only six posts on this board and they are all about this shoot..:shock: Are you the same person that posted on DoubleGunShop about how great this show was...? Just wondering :corn:

Eric

[Bill Murphy]

Kensal, I don't understand how you can preach to the rest of us and accuse us of disparaging the motives of the EPIC promoters when we did no such thing. If you want to preach about negative rhetoric, reread your original post. I expect you may choose to rewrite your most recent post after rereading it, but several of us may hit the print button before you can edit. We are supporting both events. Please don't accuse posters in general with negativity when there has been absolutely none except concerning the ridiculous lead shot prohibition. In addition, no one has accused the EPIC promotors of any devious intent, just very poor planning. They just didn't have a clue. Your use of the word "mendacity" is a poor choice. I'm sure you really meant to say that our posters suspect devious intent. Mendacity is fooling with the truth, not devious intent. We suspect no devious intent from the EPIC promoters.

[John Campbell]

Dear Eric & Bill:
I attended EPIC and was impressed. That's all. I have attended Vintagers, as well. That is equally impressive. I can't see what all the bile is about. Except possibly for Eric. He seems to like cartoons.
And Mr. Murphy... you have no grounds to critique anyone's prose. Your original post proves as much.
This will be my last post on this topic.

Best, Kensal

[Ed Blake]

The only conflict between EPIC and the Vintage Cup was with the vendors. Anyone interested in shooting real shotguns was at Pintail Point shooting lead. I expect the folks at EPIC had plenty opportunity to shoot one of those new blue Berettas, and that's ok if that trips your trigger. EPIC was probably as much about selling real estate as anything else and that is a shaky foundation on which to build interest in shooting. Next year I hear Ray P will take his Vintage Cup back to NY State. I'll bet those vendors who were at EPIC will be back with the Vintagers in 2012.

[Bill Murphy]

Actually, the Vintagers will be back at Addieville, New Hampshire, where it all began. Whatever the situation with weather or scheduling, all who attend will have a good time. Hopefully, some of us will also have a good time at EPIC Game Fair ll, on a different weekend.

[Dean Romig]

Just to set the record straight... Addieville East Farms is in Mapleville, RI which is a part of Smithville, RI I believe... but I think Bill knew that - he's been there before.

And I'll be there for sure next year - a few times next year in fact, it's only a little over an hour from my house.

[Eric Eis]

Dear Eric & Bill:
I attended EPIC and was impressed. That's all. I have attended Vintagers, as well. That is equally impressive. I can't see what all the bile is about. Except possibly for Eric. He seems to like cartoons.
And Mr. Murphy... you have no grounds to critique anyone's prose. Your original post proves as much.
This will be my last post on this topic.

Best, Kensal

Sorry Kensal, guess I missed your sarcastic meaning about me liking cartoons, I'm just a simple guy so maybe you can explain your meaning (sorry I am a little slow)

[Bill Murphy]

I think I missed that one too.

[Jared Valeski]

I attended Vintagers and noticed about half of the vendors present from a year ago. A conflict of major shooting events on the same weekend cannot be accidental. Why can't we all just get along and enjoy our great sport??

[Eric Eis]

I thought this was an interesting post over on Double Gun

The overhead for the event must have been enormous as well.


"No doubt if EPIC had been even a moderate success, some would have pointed to it as proof that "green" shoots are the wave of the future and hailed it as the largest "green" shooting event of its kind. By reaching only 5% of their attendance goal, it's going to be hard to argue that the lead shot ban didn't have huge negative impact.

Instead of being a showcase for the new "green" era, it turned out to be the Solyndra of the shooting world.

Not only did they spend lavishly on a new temporary Marty Fischer designed sporting clays course just for this event, a couple of free country music concerts, a new viewing pavillion, polo matches and infrastrure for 30K people who didn't show up (as one attendee sarcastically put it, there were more porta-pottys than people there); they put tickets up for sale for half price on Groupon, but still only mangaged to sell 62 half price tickets.

Let's hope the financial loss for SCI & QU isn't so bad that it seriously impacts the good work they do on behalf of hunters and wildlife.
om DGM "

I wonder if Kensal has any comments..:whistle:

[todd allen]

I have no dog in this fight, but I can tell you this. I will not put steel shot thru any of my vintage guns. I have a Beretta AL 390 for that.