Vintage Du Pont Powder Advertisement. ?

[Mike Stahle]

Anyone know what year Du Pont used this calendar advertisement?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/mountaincreekphotos/DuPontAd.jpg

[Linn Matthews]

Didn't DuPont own Remington at one time? The layout of the facility reminded me of the Remington trap/skeet family place in Connecticut along Long Island Sound

[Dean Romig]

Lordship is the name of the place and I have a photo of it in the early thirties somewhere around here...

[Rick Losey]

Didn't DuPont own Remington at one time? The layout of the facility reminded me of the Remington trap/skeet family place in Connecticut along Long Island Sound

Dupont owned Remington from around 1934 to 1993

[Dave Suponski]

Remington Gun club in Lordship(Stratford) CT is about a mile from my house in fact we drove around the property last week as it is now open to the public for walking trails and fishing at the mouth of the Housatonic River. The main clubhouse,armory and the target storage building are still standing. All the trap and skeet houses are now gone. I spent many a day shooting at that wonderful facility.

Next time I go there I will take some picture for you guy's.

In the Remington photo..if the upper left part of the photo is supposed to be water it would sure look like one of the trap fields on Stratford Point.

[Christopher Lien]

Anyone know what year Du Pont used this calendar advertisement?
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Mike,
"The Sport Alluring" image was used as an advertising poster (metal bands top & bottom) by Dupont Powders around 1911, and was also used by the Dominion cartridge Co around the same time... Artist is Hy Watson, one of the best sporting illustrators of his time, his work still stands up today as top-shelf...

Best, CSL
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[Dave Suponski]

Yup...Mr Lien nailed it! I just checked "The Road to Yesterday" by the late great Dick Baldwin and it was 1911. Thanks Chris....that was buggin me...:)

[Mark Parela]

Here's one story I love and laugh about.
http://tinyurl.com/6cww9ug
Now I could just get a hold of Clydes Parker. hint hint.

[Mike Stahle]

WOW $$$$
Cheaper to collect Parker's :eek:

http://www.icollector.com/SPECTACULAR-1911-12-DUPONT-ADVERTISING-POSTER_i5323998

Thanks all :)

[Jack Cronkhite]

Here's one story I love and laugh about.
http://tinyurl.com/6cww9ug

Fun read. An old gentleman who lived near us when I was a kid used to take bets on shooting sparrows on the wing with a .22 He would let the competition shoot and miss and finally tell them to watch how it is done. Using the same rifle, he would pop a few sparrows on the wing. I used to mow his grass when I got a little older. One day he was talking about the sparrow ruse. He admitted he had a pocket full of .22 shot shells (lead dust for shooting annoying birds in a barn). So, the young rancher in the story may have had an unknown advantage with him or he was a damn good shot.
Cheers,
Jack

[Dean Romig]

Similar story - My first year at deer camp I stood watching as my Dad and Uncle Jack took turns shooting a can tossed out over the field in front of camp and they hit it almost every time. Uncle Jack asked if I wanted to try it and I said "Sure". He handed me the rifle and a .22 Long and told me to call it when I was ready. I said "Okay" and he threw the can into the air... Their jaws dropped when I hit it the first time. They finally let on that they were using .22 shotshells. It was luck, I'm sure but I felt pretty good about it.

[Dave Suponski]

Upon further research I don't think that great piece of sporting advertising is the famed Remington Gun Club. This poster is from around 1911/12 Remington opened the Lordship shooting facility in 1920.

[Mike Stahle]

Next question,
Do y'all think any of those fine well dressed people
were shooting a Damascus or twist barrel with that
new fangled DuPont smokeless powder? :)

[Jack Kuzepski]

That print "Shooting Off A Tie" is one of the prints offered for sale by Double Gun Journal. The other one entitled "The Sportsman" I've yet to see.

Jack Kuzepski

[Dave Noreen]

By 1911, smokeless shotgun powders had been in use for 35 years. DuPont Bulk smokeless powder was far from "new fangled" in 1911!! I doubt one saw many competitive shotgun shooters using black powder much after the early 1890s. By 1911, black powder shotgun shells were for the poor sharecropper/sod buster who had moved up to a breechloader from a bored out Civil War musket muzzleloading shotgun for his pest control and putting food on the table chores.

[Dean Romig]

I'd guess a lot of shooters were still shooting Damascus barrels with smokeless powder. Fluid-pressed steel barrels had been around for more than fifteen years at that time but not everybody bought the hype that damascus barrels were dangerous with the "new" smokeless powders. Sure, some had bought new guns with fluid steel barrels and some had even sent their Damascus barreled guns back to be rebarreled.

[Mike Shepherd]

There are and were Damascus barrel guns marked "Nitro" from the factory. And of course most of the English Damascus guns I have seen have been reproofed to nitro.

[Dave Noreen]

Manufacturers didn't come up with this "Damascus and Twist barrels are dangerous with smokeless powder" scam, until after progressive burning smokeless powders were introduced to shotgun shells with Western Cartridge Co.'s Super-X loads in the 1920s. All my Remington Arms Co. catalogues, from the years Remington Hammerless Doubles were in production, state they were guaranteed to handle all black and nitro powder factory loaded shells.

I have never seen any solid information on the presures developed by the various smokelss powders used in American shotshells from say 1890 to the early 1920s -- bulk - DuPont, E.C., Schultze, Hazard; dense - Ballistite, Shotgun Riflelite, Walsrode, Laflin & Rand Infallible, etc.

[Drew Hause]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sport-Alluring-Trap-Shooting-1911-Du-Pont-/300576395346?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item45fbbfd052

[Mike Stahle]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sport-Alluring-Trap-Shooting-1911-Du-Pont-/300576395346?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item45fbbfd052

Thanks Mr Hause for the link, but think I'll pass... :)
for $149.95 I can get a flat+ of my favorite
RST paper 16's :cool:

[Dave Suponski]

Gent's was out at Remingtons Lordship shooting grounds today. Here are some pictures as promised. Sorry about the quality I took them with my phone.

First picture is the storage building for targets

Next is the armory where you picked up your rented Remington..$5.00/day and shells were $5.00 a box. A round of skeet or trap cost $2.50.

Next is where the trap house USED to be.

Next is the main clubhouse

Next a view heading up to the main clubhouse.

[Dave Suponski]

Last picture...Just another view of the main road in...Spent many a great day at this facility :cuss:

[Dean Romig]

Pretty good pictures for a cell phone.

Thanks Dave.

I'll search for my Skeet book which has a picture of Lordship taken in the mid-thirties.

[Francis Morin]

If I had been Mr. Baldwin I would have told that "Prima-Donna-Senora"- Si usted quiere la paloma muerta, pues- employeda su escopeta y cartogas"> Killdeer are protected species- talk about being a spoiled lady- to order him to shoot a nesting bird- if that killdeer was such a problem, then close that field and move to another and repeat the last 25 targets- Another reason why, IMO- shooting is a gentleman's sport- live birds in KY and TN in my Granddad's day sure were- just like the saloons before that stupid Volstead Act foisted upon a thirsty America by the likes of Carrie Nation--

I have a portfolio of Hy Watson's work- and the 1911 trap shooting scene, whether at Lordship, Dukeship, Baronship or even Earlship is indeed his masterful brush strokes-- "Uncle Dupey" did indeed own Remington Arms at one time- not so today--

As to the lad who broke 2/3's of 25 clays at 16 yards with his single shot .22- I believe that. The late USMC legend Gunny Carlos N. Hathcock of rural AK- grew up dirt poor and hard working- he was give a Stevens single shot .22 at age eight- fed the family on squirrels, rabbits, and later on ducks and quails he shot "On The Wing" in the head- he had 20/10 or better vision when he entered the USMC in 1959- and shot a record 248/250 with the M-1 Garand on the Parris Island MCRD rifle range (see the Kubrick movie- "Full Metal Jacket"--) when Carlos was 12, a neighbor gave him a 20 gauge Iver Johnson hammer shotgun-and he was head shooting birds on the wing with that, but went back to the .22, as the shells were cheaper and he damaged less eating meat with the little rifle- Show me a farm boy who can keep the larder filled with wild game with a single shot weapon- and I'll show you what we call in my USMC- A "Dinger"!!:cool:

[Dave Noreen]

There aint no Quail in rural AK, or anywhere else in "The Great Land." Try again Francis!!

[Jack Cronkhite]

Gotta believe Hathcock could make the shots mentioned.
As for AK Quail, I only know what I can read, never having been there, nor have I ever even seen "Gentleman Bob" (should amend the bucket list to fix that). It appears there once was significant population. Some interesting reading on the cause of the decline and what it might take to bring 'em back.

ARKANSAS QUAIL RESTORATION (http://arkansasnews.com/2009/04/18/quest-to-resurrect-quail-may-be-in-arkansas%E2%80%99-future/)

HEMMINGWAY (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/sports/restoring-the-tradition-of-quail-hunting.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1)

HATHCOCK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock)

[Thomas L. Benson Sr.]

Alot of grouse and ptarmigan. I figure he was probably shooting those which is still a good shot. I was walking down a trail outside Talkeetna, Alaska to our famous fishing hole and a spruce grouse flew up in a spruce tree a good distance away and all i had was my 44 pistol. I figured it would make a good treat for lunch. I shot and blew his head off and then a couple more flew up and landed in the same tree. My buddy said gosh shoot a couple more heads off and i said oh i think one is enoughf.

[Jack Cronkhite]

A true gentleman. Nice pistol shooting. Tasty enough too, I'll guess. All my spruce grouse were taken with large bore rifles while big game hunting. Better decapitate or there would be nothing to eat.
Cheers,
Jack

[Francis Morin]

There aint no Quail in rural AK, or anywhere else in "The Great Land." Try again Francis!!- OK-- try this- pages 28-29 of this great book about L'ong Tran (Gook for "White feather") Berkley Books NY ISBN No.0-425-10355-2 and I quote: "Now with a shotgun, Carlos' Grandmother thought, he could hunt dove and pheasant and QUAIL, when they came in season"- This was Geyger Springs AK in the late 1950's- further quote-page 28-29 "Carlos never mastered the knack of hunting with the shotgun, although he tried shooting dove, pheasant and QUAIL---- He always wound up getting his old single shot rifle to bring home the game"

Now then- I'm not the ONLY Gyrene (NO EX or Former either) on the PGCA, but when I talk about USMC legends like Gunny Hathcock or General Lewis B. Puller Jr.("Chesty to us- FIVE, count them- Navy Crosses) I am "A-J squared away, and not only have my ship together, I can law it out for a "junk on the bunk" like I can field strip a M-14-blindfolded--:cuss::cuss::cuss:

[Dave Suponski]

Francis, You are by far the resident expert of veering threads. My hat is off to ya.....:bowdown:

[Dean Romig]

I'm obfuscated... :vconfused:

[Francis Morin]

Francis, You are by far the resident expert of veering threads. My hat is off to ya.....:bowdown:-- In my beloved USMC, we called them "Irish Pennants" and trimmed them off our Utilities with a fingernail clipper before the Sgt. Major's inspection in Boot Camp--:bigbye::cool:

[Dave Suponski]

Exactly.......:whistle:

[Tom Carter]

Francis, Please check your PM. Tom

[Christopher Lien]

Francis, You are by far the resident expert of veering threads.:
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[Fred Preston]

Francis, All you have to do is recheck the accepted USPS two letter abreviations for the several States.

[Francis Morin]

Gunny Hathcock was at MCRD Parris Island- when Alaska became our 49th State- He grew up in Arkansas- back then I am sure they had quail- not so sure about pheasants that far down in Deep Dixie- Just read my rich yuppie Dentist's (he shoots pen raised quails with a Beretta 28 gauge O?U (the Dick Cheney limited edition) copy of Shootin' Schwartzman-- talks about how the great era of quails in Dixie was from after the War of Nawthern Aggression ended until about 1905- small farms, lotsa weeds and cover, mild winters, and predators killed by farmers and tenants to keep their poultry safe) now that's all gone with da wind I am afraid- and quail hunting per se has become a sport of the super rich, just as a driven bird shoot in Limey-land or the European Continent-- c'est la vie!!:cool::cool:

[Francis Morin]

Francis, All you have to do is recheck the accepted USPS two letter abreviations for the several States.-- AK was the one for Arkansas until Alaska cranked into the program in 1959- and Carlos Hathcock was shooting birds on the wing with his single shot .22 way before that year-and that's a fact!!:p:bigbye::cool:

[Jack Cronkhite]

This Canuck is officially de-obfuscated with the help of the USPS reference

Alaska A.K.A. AK
Arkansas A.K.A. AR

No Quail in AK and No Ptarmigan in AR (w/o the intervention of a taxidermist)

My understanding of the Irish reference was not of Pennants but of Pennance required as a result of the S/M inspection.

Cheers,
Jack

[Dean Romig]

And so, back to DuPont and Lordship...

I thought I had a better picture of Lordship but I was mistaken.

Here are a few pictures from "Skeet" by Bob Nichols, 1939.




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[Dave Noreen]

What I was getting at is that AK is the abreviation for Alaska.

[Francis Morin]

This Canuck is officially de-obfuscated with the help of the USPS reference

Alaska A.K.A. AK
Arkansas A.K.A. AR

No Quail in AK and No Ptarmigan in AR (w/o the intervention of a taxidermist)

My understanding of the Irish reference was not of Pennants but of Pennance required as a result of the S/M inspection.

Cheers,
Jack-- Thanks Jack- did you get my PM re: your Dad's 30-06 BA 1917 sporter? let me know how things are re: that- darn fine older BA rifle!

[Jack Cronkhite]

Did get the PM, thanks. I'll find my way down to the man-cave tomorrow and give it a go. Won't be the mag, as I already have the stock removed and the floor plate, box and spring. Will get there. Trouble is, it starts to get me thinking there should be venison in the freezer, not just a couple roosters.

Cheers,
Jack