Engraver's Signature: Help Please

[Victor Wasylyna]

I bought this gun from Jaqua's a few years ago. There are no records. I always assumed it was a CHE upgrade by DelGrego and Runge. Yesterday (using my wife's nifty coin microscope) I found the engraver's signature. See this video: https://youtu.be/UzlEmuPjUHg. This confirms Runge, correct?

-Victor

[Reggie Bishop]

Do the barrel flats have any markings that would indicate DelGrego? Like initials inside a circle? I can't see any but the barrel flats pic isn't the best. But I think you are correct on Runge. And does the stock oval have any initials?

[edgarspencer]

"Bob" signed his upgrades in at least two different locations; the more common one was on the bull nose end of the trigger plate, and in either the left or right side of a border of the trigger plate. The former, being curved, had less information, but the straight often included a date.
The DelGrego stamp that Reggie refers to, was something they used randomly. It doesn't appear on many of the upgrades done by the two, together.
I wasn't aware of DelGrego stamping a date of their upgrades, until Brian found it while working on mine, in the top tang groove.
Reggie will probably agree, the timing of your post is ironic.

[Brian Dudley]

This is the second C grade upgrade that I have seen by delgrego / rungue. The other one was signed in the same sort of location. Along the straight border.

[edgarspencer]

This is the second C grade upgrade that I have seen by delgrego / rungue. The other one was signed in the same sort of location. Along the straight border.

The 28 you worked on for me is signed on the radius of the front end of the plate.

[Brian Dudley]

The 28 you worked on for me is signed on the radius of the front end of the plate.

Ok. That is the other C I am thinking of.

But I know that I have seen another one signed on the straight border. It must have been another gun.

[Victor Wasylyna]

Do the barrel flats have any markings that would indicate DelGrego? Like initials inside a circle? I can't see any but the barrel flats pic isn't the best. But I think you are correct on Runge. And does the stock oval have any initials?

Reggie:

That question is outside of my pay grade. Here are some better photographs of the barrel flats.

-Victor

[Bill Murphy]

Victor, a video is not the best method of studying engraving. I have seen many Runge upgrades and I assume this is one of them.

[Victor Wasylyna]

Bill:

Just hit the pause button and it becomes a still image.

-Victor

[Dean Romig]

That’s exactly how they signed their upgrades on the ones that I have examined.





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[John Davis]

Here’s an example of a Runge signature.

[David C Porter]

Robert R Runge (Father) 1931 to 1942
Robert P Runge (son) 1934 to 1942

Hard to tell the date. Possible 1933 - Check the serial number of gun for date. This may help to date the engraved date. Could be a Del Grego upgrade since Robert Runge did upgrades for Del Grego. Runge signed the Del Grego guns, but probably not the factory guns. Others here will know about this. Also, others may be able to tell if this is by the father of son, since the engraving is pretty crude.

[Dean Romig]

Looks like 1963 to me.

I have seen this exact signature that John Davis shows in the same location on a .410 upgrade from DelGrego and Runge.





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[John Davis]

Dean, you are correct. 1963 SAA upgrade by Runge and DelGrego.

[John Davis]

Full canvas

[John Davis]

Side view

[Bill Murphy]

Robert P. Runge did sign some Remington guns, mostly F Grades. To clarify, I am referring to Remington guns, not Remington Parkers.

[Dean Romig]

Bill, what’s an “F” grade Parker??





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[Bob Jurewicz]

I have posted this A1S 20 GA Upgrade a number of times in the past.
Bob Jurewicz

[Dave Noreen]

The late Remington style markings on the barrel flats and lug show those barrels were added to the OPs gun in Ilion June 1941 (PK3). Is the rib plain or does it have the legend ribbon?

[Bill Murphy]

Dean, I am referring to Remington guns, not Parkers.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Bill - I know next to nothing about Remington guns.





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[Victor Wasylyna]

The rib does not have any text. Just texture and two brass beads.

-Victor

[Dean Romig]

That makes it late Remington.





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