28 ga

[charlie cleveland]

theres a pretty nice 28 ga parker double original on gun broker starting at less than 6 thousand...first time ive seen one that cheap...its a vh grade but looks good...im not interested so ....charlie

[Russ Jackson]

Hi Charlie ,Thanks for the heads up ,I have searched GB and can't locate it ,would you happen to have the item # ? Thanks again ! Russ

[Bill Murphy]

Buy it now at $9199. That's probably close to the reserve. If someone wants it, it is probably safer to pay the Buy it Now than to bid. With good bores, it would be well worth that price.

[Marc Retallack]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=235576182

Cheers
Marcus

[Dave Suponski]

Mark, Thanks for the link. I like O frame 28's. Look's to be a very nice gun..

[Russ Jackson]

Buy it now at $9199. That's probably close to the reserve. If someone wants it, it is probably safer to pay the Buy it Now than to bid. With good bores, it would be well worth that price.

Thanks Bill ,I had found this one ,thought there may be another , at ? $ 6000.00 , starting bid as Charlie had mentioned , I already have an O Frame ,28 , I was hoping it was a OO ! I agree ,if I was going to bid ,I would use the " Buy It Now " also ! My O frame handles like a dream ,I keep up with the birds better with it , it is about 8 Oz. heavier than my VHE OO Frame , Which I sold !!!:banghead: Russ

[charlie cleveland]

fellas ther was vh 28 ga and the price was as i stated under 6000 thousand it may have sold...same people listing the 9000 gun thatthe no is posted now had it for sale..from now on i will post the no of auction site was on..... charlie

[Richard Flanders]

Can't say that I've seen a better shape VH28 than that for that cheap on any auction site. Had I not recently bought a nice C grade, this 28 would be gone 2 minutes ago.

[Bill Anderson]

In my opinion, I don't you think you have to worry about it being "snapped up" in this depressed "that's too high of a price" state of gun value mind set that we are in. To me saying you would buy it "but", is the gentleman's way of saying it is priced too high for today's market. Besides the seller stating it is choked IC & IC for a 28 gauge tells me the barrels have been most likely messed with. A real turn off for me.

Bill

[Richard Flanders]

In my case I can't agree with you Bill. I've purchased two Parkers in the past month, a V and a C grade and am feeling like my firearms budget is stretched for now. If someone would 'snap' up my 2-bbl set Repro 28 I'd go for the V grade 28. That would be something that I could afford. That's a pretty clean gun that 28. Seems most that are available lately have been redone by Turnbull or Del Grego. I didn't notice the choke designation; that would make me take a pretty close look at it also. We can only hope that some of the Parker prices will return to a level of reason in this economy.

[Bill Murphy]

Some orders for Parker 28s specify a choke designation. I have had two early 28s, one provenanced at cylinder and full, the other provenanced at modified and full on the original orders. The seller should try to prove his chokes original with a PGCA letter. The stock may be original, probably is, but the buttplate is a reduced #1 frame style buttplate, maybe a repro because the screws don't set perfectly. The #0 style buttplate has a different dog than the one pictured. I still like the gun, at least at the starting bid or a bit below.

[Kevin McCormack]

Never assume that someone has altered the chokes on a smallbore gun without a letter. I owned and shot for years a VH 0-frame 28 that lettered with CYL and MOD chokes from the factory. Without provenance, we are only guessing.

[Francis Morin]

[quote=Bill Anderson;44991]In my opinion, I don't you think you have to worry about it being "snapped up" in this depressed "that's too high of a price" state of gun value mind set that we are in. To me saying you would buy it "but", is the gentleman's way of saying it is priced too high for today's market. Besides the seller stating it is choked IC & IC for a 28 gauge tells me the barrels have been most likely messed with.

:eek::eek: A real turn off for me. and the fotos I saw showed the last three digits of the sn on the water table ground off- Many years ago I bought a AH Fox 12 from a pawn shop and the sn's had been ground/filed off- that was maybe 22 years ago Today, I would no more touch a firearm for sale so "marred" than I would date Monica Lewinski--:cool::cool::bigbye:

B

[Richard Flanders]

I was wondering about the butt plate Bill. Somehow it looked wrong - too unworn - and maybe like one of the repros available now. I don't know them well enough to spot generational differences as some of you do. He does say the stock has been refinished and the checkering looks chased, as it 's a bit sharp for a gun that old.

Francis: I think he says in his description that he had intentionally obscured the S/N in the pics. I still don't get that one. Why do folks do that?

[Russ Jackson]

You have to watch those serials ,this past weekend ,at a gun show I attended ,I asked a seller if I could take a look at a very nice Model 12 ,20 Ga. he had priced in the $400.00 range ????? When I went to take a look at the serial # ,It had been filed off and not even smoothed out trying to hide the fact :shock:! There's a Red Flag for ya !

[Dean Romig]

WOW :shock: Attempting to sell any firearm where the serial numbers have been altered or removed is a federal offense. Good luck to that guy!!

[Francis Morin]

You have to watch those serials ,this past weekend ,at a gun show I attended ,I asked a seller if I could take a look at a very nice Model 12 ,20 Ga. he had priced in the $400.00 range ????? When I went to take a look at the serial # ,It had been filed off and not even smoothed out trying to hide the fact :shock:! There's a Red Flag for ya !-check out any M12 with a Simmons or Moneymaker rib and a "pregnant do-do birdie" scratched on the magazine ext. with the lettering "Pidgeon Grade" at least they spelled Grade correctly-- what was it old P. T. Barnum said- about "one born every minute, and two waitin' to take his $""-- Another VH 28 discussed herein was said to have 26" uncut barrels both Full Choke- wow- I don't mind "rag-rippin'" a flying poopwagon (barn pigeon) with either my 12 PH 30" F&F or my 12 32" Smith 2E 32" F&F) but for grouse, quails, timberdooles, perhaps a tad too tight- does anyone make spreader loads for the 28 bore today? :bigbye:

[greg conomos]

The numbers are not altered, other than with Photoshop.

[Dean Romig]

I have a 28 ga. VHE 00-frame with F/F 26" barrels. It's not easy to get good skeet scores with this one...

[Francis Morin]

I have a 28 ga. VHE 00-frame with F/F 26" barrels. It's not easy to get good skeet scores with this one...Ya-- we used to shoot "Full choke skeet" with M12 Trap guns, way back in the before Sporting Clays and battutes era--I always liked what Nash Buckingham said about station 8--One friend broke 21 for 25 shooting "full choke skeet" with his M12 Trap gun- we found out later he was using paper spreader loads. Now what was real fun was shooting trap at night under lights- back in the days when a "White Flyer" was just that- white, none of this Hunter Safety orange stuff- and the old tracer loads--hard on the barrels I guess, phos loads ??- sorta like the "Willie Peter" parachutes flares getting airborne at O'dark thirty in I Corps sector USMC territory-

Back to night trap-when you fired, you were supposed to see with the tracer where your pattern was in relation to the clay-ten to a box if memory serves.:bigbye::bigbye:

[Francis Morin]

The numbers are not altered, other than with Photoshop.-- altered is altered, and I am surprised the PTB at Gunz&RosesBusters LTD. didn't catch that- last three (assuming a 6 digit spread) were clearly ground off when I took my Dell thingy and patrolled that goofy website-- There are more numbnutz "sellers' there who don't know the different between auto ejectors and extractor on the overpriced "beater doubles" they try to sell-and mis-represent their doubles and other gunz until who laid de rail- buy one, and try getting your $ back from some of the junkyard dawgs- good luck-- Myself, I stays ONLY with the PGCA website and the FOR SALE and wanted to buy sectors- this is a gentleman's forum, and the world gets out amongst the Parkeristas very quickly- like my late Grandfather used to say about a small town: "That's where they know real quickly if your check is good and your wife isn't"--

I could name dealers and cases that friends that have gotten "burned" on those auction sites, but I will not- I don't need a lawsuit for libel anymore than I need an overpriced Parker 28 gauge for goose and turkey hunting, thanks all the same- But, know this- if I ever come across a Parker 28 gauge or a .410 for sale privately, I will gladly pass this info along to the PGCA brothers at no charge. Myself, like Nash Buckingham, Paul A. Curtis, Ray P. Holland and others, am a 12 bore man-as in "why send a boy do to a man's job?"":bigbye::bigbye:

[Mike Shepherd]

Franicis I disagree. The last three serial numbers have been photoshopped to be unreadable. The picture has been changed, not the gun. I often see guns advertised with the serial listed as something like "105XXX". I suppose they are protecting themselves in case the gun was stolen ten years ago.

Best,

Mike

[Richard Flanders]

I inquired and the seller speculates that they chokes may have been opened. Obscuring parts of serial numbers on guns is certainly nothing new on auction sites; seems more do it than not....and I still can't fathom why. Can someone explain this? It's been a mystery to me for a long time. I can dream up an explanation but would rather someone educate me....

[Robert Delk]

I know for awhile back in the early ninety's that vendors would not allow anyone to photograph their guns at the shows because someone had taken pictures and then at a later date showed up with the cops at a gunshow and said "That gun is mine and I have the pictures to prove it." This was here in Iowa and Illinois. I heard they did the same thing with some high end antique furniture also.Don't know the particulars but I do know the high end vendors were very leery for awhile.

[Bill Anderson]

In my opinion, I don't you think you have to worry about it being "snapped up" in this depressed "that's too high of a price" state of gun value mind set that we are in. To me saying you would buy it "but", is the gentleman's way of saying it is priced too high for today's market. Besides the seller stating it is choked IC & IC for a 28 gauge tells me the barrels have been most likely messed with. A real turn off for me.

Bill

Stated as BuyNow! dream gun price for some. Unrealistic price for today's market for me, as I said when it first showed up on May 29. Will probably be on there til waaaaay after the cows come home.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=243284971

Bill

[Francis Morin]

Named after Elsie MI- on M-57 and then South- near Ovid-- I just picked up a Ithaca grade 2 Flues 28 gauge with 26" barrels uncut, DT, EXT- choked 1 rt. barrel and 3 left barrel- and half a box of older tan paper 2 &7/8" Western No 8 shot and a leather gun slip- but from a private party, not a dealer or wheeler-dealer on Gun Busters-- no where near the ridiculous price range asked for this Parker with the altered barrels- gun had been in storage for years- no rust- good blue and wood, uncut- light as a feather- perhaps that's where Ithaca got their "Feather-Lite" trade mark from- Will use it for twitty birds at one farm loaded with starlings and blackbirds--Now I have to make friends with a skeet-ist who reloads 28 gauge hulls- pricey little beggars to feed-:cool:

[Bruce Day]

I inquired and the seller speculates that they chokes may have been opened. Obscuring parts of serial numbers on guns is certainly nothing new on auction sites; seems more do it than not....and I still can't fathom why. Can someone explain this? It's been a mystery to me for a long time. I can dream up an explanation but would rather someone educate me....

How about these?

1. Stolen Gun Concerns: They bought the gun at a gun show from a young man with prison tatoos who asked "how much kin ah git fur dis gun, quick?".

2. Gubermint police concerns. You know there is this underground place in Washington where there are hundreds of people employed by the Obama administration to watch all the web sites and ads and connect gun SN's to names. Then when the Pres signs over the Constitution to foreign powers, the police will pound on your door and demand your guns.

3. Undifferentiated Paranoia. You know people are everywhere watching you. They are watching your house right now and wanting your guns and your stash of quarters from all the states. When you go out, they track where you have been. They are going to get your guns and check them off by serial number. The only way to defeat them is to wear this aluminum foil hat which prevents them from hearing your thoughts.

[william faulk]

i totaly agree..Curly

[Bill Murphy]

For the third, maybe the fourth time since I met him, I agree with Bruce Day. This is bullshit. We can see the serial numbers at gun shows. What is the big deal about seeing them on the net?

[Russ Jackson]

I'll throw my two cents in here also ,I totally agree with both of you fellas ,The serial # is the first item I request if I contact a seller , if he refuses to give it to me and some do ,I have no interest in the gun ,at that point ,it's a reversal in thinking for me and I wonder what it is he has to hide ! Just my thoughts on the subject . Russ

[Francis Morin]

I'll throw my two cents in here also ,I totally agree with both of you fellas ,The serial # is the first item I request if I contact a seller , if he refuses to give it to me and some do ,I have no interest in the gun ,at that point ,it's a reversal in thinking for me and I wonder what it is he has to hide ! Just my thoughts on the subject . Russ And i want to know if all the numbers match on the stamped/marked parts of the entire gun. If a dealer won't confirm that, as well as barrel length, chambers, chokes- etc- he's either too fat and lazy, is trading on his "rep", or has something to hide from a buyer with great knowledge of Parkers, as most all of the brethern of the PGCA have accumulated- sometimes at some expense, but as old Benny-Boy the Colonial "ladies man" once so wisely said- 'experience is a great teacher, but the tuition is indeed a *&^%$ to pay"-- No serial numbers, no "Benjamins" leave my money clip and find their way into the hands of the clowns who won't take the time to relay that basic info to a prospective buyer--:eek::rolleyes::cool::p:bigbye:

[Bruce Day]

Bill, take a deep breath, sit down, and think about what you just said. You'll be back to your old self in no time.

Francis, I'm sure we all look forward to reading your complete works, with literary annotations.

[Bill Murphy]

Bruce, your sarcasm was way above your pay grade today, very entertaining. Congratulations.