1930 Parker DH

[James Comer]

So this is my second Parker I was at a estate sale couldn’t believe what I saw a Parker Shotgun, I know it’s not the original finish, I know it has a aftermarket Miller trigger, I know it’s not the correct recoil pad, I don’t have a gauge to check it but was told it’s I/M and Skeet? Has 26 inch barrel, 12 Gauge.

The reason I bought it is I got it for half the price of ones on the internet, yes I know it’s not a collector piece but it’s beautiful and it’s mine.i

[Dylan Rhodes]

Nice. What’s the barrel termination look like?

[James Comer]

Nice. What’s the barrel termination look like?


Dylan I have posted another photo, Thanks

[keavin nelson]

James,
It books with 26" barrels so they definitely are not cut! Very nice Parker. I bet the wood is nice!

[Rick Roemer]

Nice find, shoot it and enjoy!

[James Comer]

James,
It books with 26" barrels so they definitely are not cut! Very nice Parker. I bet the wood is nice!

yes it is, I have added some photo's

[Dylan Rhodes]

Just an FYI, this appears to be a DHE actually. What a find.

[James Comer]

Just an FYI, this appears to be a DHE actually. What a find.

you are correct

[Steve Huffman]

The forend looks aftermarket also but hell I buy sleeved Parkers! Enjoy

[Brian Dudley]

The gun has had some rather poor restoration work done. But I am sure it will be a good shooter for you.

[James Comer]

The gun has had some rather poor restoration work done. But I am sure it will be a good shooter for you.


You are the expert, I have sent a message to Turnbull to find out what he has done, I know he did something to it don't know what

[Brian Dudley]

I do not think the gun has been in turnbulls shop.
Many people who do not know any better see new case colors and just assume turnbull. Not the case.

[James Comer]

I do not think the gun has been in turnbulls shop.
Many people who do not know any better see new case colors and just assume turnbull. Not the case.

not saying your wrong just stating I have sent a note to Turnbull to confirm if what I was told is true or not, also with all do respect I have read hundreds of post and noticed if you didn't do the work you only have negative things to say about other peoples shotguns that's sad.

[Jay Gardner]

also with all do respect I have read hundreds of post and noticed if you didn't do the work you only have negative things to say about other peoples shotguns that's sad.

This!

[edgarspencer]

What Dylan may have been asking is a photo of the top rib termination, because the photo of the muzzle suggests that, since the barrels are not touching at the muzzle, they may have been cut. The barrel flat shows a Remington repair code. That, and the incorrect checkering pattern on the fore end may be hints that the current fitted barrel may not be original to the gun, and that a barrel, shortened to 26" may have been fitted by Remington. Does the SN stamped on the barrel lug match the SN on the water table? Does it appear altered?

[Gerald McPherson]

Are the wedges there? I cannot tell.

[John Reed]

Beautiful gun. Shoot it and enjoy! Don't worry about anyone else's opinion. If you shoot it well and it makes you smile, that's all that matters!

[James Comer]

What Dylan may have been asking is a photo of the top rib termination, because the photo of the muzzle suggests that, since the barrels are not touching at the muzzle, they may have been cut. The barrel flat shows a Remington repair code. That, and the incorrect checkering pattern on the fore end may be hints that the current fitted barrel may not be original to the gun, and that a barrel, shortened to 26" may have been fitted by Remington. Does the SN stamped on the barrel lug match the SN on the water table? Does it appear altered?

not saying it hasn't been cut but the books say it was shipped with 26 inch barrels, I added a photo of the serial number on barrels, Thanks

[James Comer]

Are the wedges there? I cannot tell.

sorry not that familiar with doubles, what are you referring too?

[Jay Gardner]

sorry not that familiar with doubles, what are you referring too?

Wedges are the triangular shaped metal fitted under the rib above (and below) where the barrels touch.

The serial numbers all match so its probably safe to assume the barrels are the oiginal barrels.

[James Comer]

Wedges are the triangular shaped metal fitted under the rib above (and below) where the barrels touch.

Let’s try another approach: does the serial number on the barrel flats match the serial number on the receiver and on the trigger guard? If the numbers match it’s pretty safe to assume the barrels are original to the gun.

I have add a photo of the serial number on barrels, Thanks

[Kevin McCormack]

sorry not that familiar with doubles, what are you referring too?

The correct terminology is muzzle keels.

[Phil Yearout]

I'd own it! Very nice!

[Dave Noreen]

Very nice!! Getting the best of single triggers for old doubles is a plus.

While the frame looks pure Parker Bros. with the Parker Bros. engraved on the sides. The barrels on the other hand look very Remington with the PARKER GUN WORKS OVERLOAD PROVED stamp, the milk stool stamp, and several date codes and repair codes which are confusing.

As I read the codes -- date codes AH A = March H = 1939, BH B = January H = 1939; repair codes AG3 A = March G = 1938 and EF3 E = October F = 1937 :vconfused:

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[James Comer]

Very nice!! Getting the best of single triggers for old doubles is a plus.

While the frame looks pure Parker Bros. with the Parker Bros. engraved on the sides. The barrels on the other hand look very Remington with the PARKER GUN WORKS OVERLOAD PROVED stamp, the milk stool stamp, and several date codes and repair codes which are confusing.

As I read the codes -- date codes AH A = March H = 1939, BH B = January H = 1939; repair codes AG3 A = March G = 1938 and EF3 E = October F = 1937 :vconfused:

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Yep, hopefully if it letters it will answer some questions

[Michael Fraley]

Nice find. Enjoy it.

[John Nagel]

Hard to beat an estate sale find! Enjoy

[Brian Dudley]

not saying your wrong just stating I have sent a note to Turnbull to confirm if what I was told is true or not, also with all do respect I have read hundreds of post and noticed if you didn't do the work you only have negative things to say about other peoples shotguns that's sad.

That is too bad that you feel that way. And that is not the case at all. There are plenty that do quality work and plenty that do not. And I call them like I see them. Period.

[Jay Gardner]

That is too bad that you feel that way. And that is not the case at all. There are plenty that do quality work and plenty that do not. And I call them like I see them. Period.

The thing is he didn’t ask for anyone’s opinion, including yours. But nevertheless you felt compelled to weigh in and belittle the gun. And he is right: you seem to feel it’s necessary to offer your opinion whether it’s solicited or not.

[joe tilford]

My opinion is that you have a very nice gun for going out and hunting some game birds or shooting some clays -- and you got it at a good price. There is a lot to love in that transaction.

[Bill Murphy]

Please let us know what Doug Turnbull tells you about the work he has done on this gun. Apparently, you know he has done some work on this gun.

[David C Porter]

I agree with Brian on the case harding. I've had severial Parkers case hardened by Turnbull & the colors don't look like his. The nice thi g about this site is there are many experienced collectors & restorer's & I look forward to hearing their comments and one shouldn't be offended at their comments and should be grateful & take it as a learning experience.

[James Comer]

I agree with Brian on the case harding. I've had severial Parkers case hardened by Turnbull & the colors don't look like his. The nice thi g about this site is there are many experienced collectors & restorer's & I look forward to hearing their comments and one shouldn't be offended at their comments and should be grateful & take it as a learning experience.

1. I didn't say Turnbull did the case hardened
2. you know the old saying about opinions

[Craig Larter]

Please take this in a positive way. If you plan to continue to purchasing vintage shotguns invest in a wall thickness gauge and a bore gauge. Measuring barrel wall thickness and bore dimensions, before you write the check, can save you money in the long run. We have seen many refinished Parkers with wall thickness well below what is considered safe.

[James Comer]

Please take this in a positive way. If you plan to continue to purchasing vintage shotguns invest in a wall thickness gauge and a bore gauge. Measuring barrel wall thickness and bore dimensions, before you write the check, can save you money in the long run. We have seen many refinished Parkers with wall thickness well below what is considered safe.

Thanks, what is considered a safe wall thickness?

[Craig Larter]

Thanks, what is considered a safe wall thickness?

This subject has been covered in great detail in the past. Search this forum and you will have hours of reading about wall thickness. In 12ga guns I want min wall of not less than .025 but prefer .030. At 9 inches from the breech I want to see .045 min., at the end of the chamber I want to see .145 min. Other collector/shooters have different standards but I believe it is a good idea to study the subject of wall thickness.

[Craig Budgeon]

James, I don't believe your gun ever saw the inside of Turnbull;s. The case color looks like it was done by Color Casehardening Co. (?),, Ryan would have checkered the fore end with the correct pattern, and the breech end of the barrels looks like they rolled the edge when they polished them leaving the engraving faint; not Turnbull quality. As long as the guns barrels are safe hunt the hell out of it.

[William Woods]

Early on I bought a Parker at auction that had been refinished. I thought the gun looked good and wanted to find out who did the work. I contacted a number of shops that did restoration work including Doug Turnbull's. Everyone I contacted said they did not have the gun in their records. The late Larry DelGrego told me to send him pictures and he would be able to tell by looking at the gun who the work was done by ( I have found that a number of those in the N/E have very strong opinions LOL). Larry told me he thought that Creekside did the work. Larry said that Creekside was the shop owned/run by Doug Turnbull and his father before Doug started his own shop. At the auction, it was stated the restoration was done by Turnbull's. Who knows?

[Dave Noreen]

The colors on the OP's gun look very similar to a gun I had done by the folks in Grand Rapids, but Brad had the engraving picked up on my gun before the colors were done

[Drew Hause]

Craig: is that .145" MWT at the forward end of the chamber for 12g or your 8g & 10g boomers?
I believe you'll have a hard time finding a 20g Parker with that end of chamber WT, and few 2 or 1 1/2 frame 12g.

Lots of numbers here
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=615160&page=3
More Parker numbers here
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=615160&page=6

More Smith numbers
20g No. 00 Armor steel Smith .088" L and .090" R
16g No. 00 Armor steel Smith .096 L and .105 R
16g No. 0 damascus Smith .108" L and .102" R
12g No. 4 chain damascus Smith .110" L & .103" R

[John Davis]

For the right price, not a sole on this forum would have passed this one up. Looks like a great shooter to me. And much nicer than my first, second, third or even fourth Parker. Congratulations and enjoy it.

[Craig Budgeon]

William, your understanding of Larry DelGregos explanation isn't quite right. Doug started his business in the confines of his fathers Terry's business, Creekside Gunshop later closed. Doug did much of the metal work and repair, Jim DeMunck did engraving and did many of the FE Foxes for CSMC when he was self employed, Dick Collins wood working previously employed by Terry and he was very famous in the 50's and 60's for his ability on the skeet fields. Dick is pictured in ads in later DGJ's endorsing a stock finish. Also there was a VHS tape made of the business explaining repairs they offered showing the workforce at that time. Dick, has past, and he was one of the nicest guys I ever met.