Ithica / Parker Identification

[JeremyBall]

Hello,

I have recently purchased a firearms collection that had multiple Parker's and other classic shotguns. I have requested historical letters on the Parker guns to get some more backstory as this collection came from a very interesting family from the PNW. Within this collection is a Ithica shotgun I'm hoping I can get some help with. The shotgun has multiple things that make me think Parker but I don't know the association and if there is one. Anything you can provide would be greatly helpful. I've attached pictures so hopefully that helps.

Thank you,
Jeremy

[Dean Romig]

Hi Jeremy - There is nothing "Parkefr" about that Ithaca SBT. Value is probably $3k - $4k.





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[Stan Hoover]

Hello Jeremy,

Your Ithaca is a Knick Model Single Barrel trap, a Grade 4E. It has nothing to do with Parker. Ithaca Single Barrel Trap guns were referred to as The King of Trap Guns.

It looks to have been used but not highly modified as so many trap shooters are/were prone to do. It does appear the recoil pad was modified, most likely the wood stock was shortened to accommodate this being added.

Stan

I don't mean to contradict Dean but the SBT guns have really tanked in price's, Ithaca's for sure, the 4E Knick model is selling for $1800-$2400, the Flues 4E for even less. High condition or 34" barrel may be a little higher.

[JeremyBall]

Hi Jeremy - There is nothing "Parkefr" about that Ithaca SBT. Value is probably $3k - $4k.





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The shield on the stock looked similar to what is on some of the Parker guns. Didn't mean for that comment to be insulting.

[Drew Hause]

If the SN is 401726 the gun was manufactured in 1928
Thanks to Walt Snyder, Ithaca Gun Co. factory letters are now available
https://centerofthewest.org/explore/firearms/firearms-records/ithaca/
If the gun was ordered by a trap shooting 'top gun' it would add somewhat to the value. I'm with Stan regarding Knick values today. The stock extension and later White Line pad would detract from the market interest.

This might be of interest
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/ithaca-wins-ithaca-wins.894978/

[Dean Romig]

Hello Jeremy,

Your Ithaca is a Knick Model Single Barrel trap, a Grade 4E. It has nothing to do with Parker. Ithaca Single Barrel Trap guns were referred to as The King of Trap Guns.

It looks to have been used but not highly modified as so many trap shooters are/were prone to do. It does appear the recoil pad was modified, most likely the wood stock was shortened to accommodate this being added.

Stan

I don't mean to contradict Dean but the SBT guns have really tanked in price's, Ithaca's for sure, the 4E Knick model is selling for $1800-$2400, the Flues 4E for even less. High condition or 34" barrel may be a little higher.

Thanks Stan - I was basing my price value on what I had read some 5-8 years ago. Thank You.





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[David Livesay]

Nice Ithaca SBT. Welcome to the forums. Can you elaborate on any of the Parker shotguns that were in the collection?

[Rick Losey]

Ithica ��

Common mistake, but it always reminds me of a t-shirt my daughter wore in high school

HUKED ON FONIKS WURKED FOR ME

[Mike Koneski]

Ithica ��

Common mistake, but it always reminds me of a t-shirt my daughter wore in high school

HUKED ON FONIKS WURKED FOR ME

The year our son graduated from Elk Lake HS someone painted graffiti on the wall of the school, “Senors Rule!!”.

[Daryl Corona]

The year our son graduated from Elk Lake HS someone painted graffiti on the wall of the school, “Senors Rule!!”.

Would that be Tad?

[Phil Yearout]

The year our son graduated from Elk Lake HS someone painted graffiti on the wall of the school, “Senors Rule!!”.

Whoever painted it must have been eating a Milky Way.

[Mike Koneski]

Yes it would.

[Mike Koneski]

Whoever painted it must have been eating a Milky Way.

I think the vandal was bilingual.

[Rick Losey]

I think the vandal was bilingual.

Not that there is anything wrong with that

[Bill Jolliff]

Hello,

. . . . this collection came from a very interesting family from the PNW. . . . . .

Thank you,
Jeremy

Jeremy,

Curious, where is PNW? Others might want to know too.

Thanks.

[Jim DiSpagno]

Bill, it’s The Pacific Northwest

[Bill Jolliff]

Bill, it’s The Pacific Northwest

Thanks Jim. After I sent it, I was thinking that's what it was.

And Jeremy, sounds like you might have some good ones in there.

Yeah "ITHACA"

Bill

[Arthur Shaffer]

Hello Jeremy,

Your Ithaca is a Knick Model Single Barrel trap, a Grade 4E. It has nothing to do with Parker. Ithaca Single Barrel Trap guns were referred to as The King of Trap Guns.

It looks to have been used but not highly modified as so many trap shooters are/were prone to do. It does appear the recoil pad was modified, most likely the wood stock was shortened to accommodate this being added.

Stan

I don't mean to contradict Dean but the SBT guns have really tanked in price's, Ithaca's for sure, the 4E Knick model is selling for $1800-$2400, the Flues 4E for even less. High condition or 34" barrel may be a little higher.


I know how much everyone here loves the SBT's, but this is one area I don't ever think was doubted. For over half a century, the Ithaca single barrel was held in legendary status, and every trapshooter I came in touch with from the time I was a kid to the mid seventies wanted one or had one. The racks at trap shoots were full of them. Sadly it is really hard to find one in collecters condition. Every one needs one to have a representative example of significant American shotguns.

I have put together a set of most of the much used SBTs and the three most impressive guns from any distance are standouts above the others.

[Dave Noreen]

Here is some Ithaca Knick SBT hoopla from the 1953 Ithaca catalog --

129982

129984

and the No. 4E Knick from a 1924 Ithaca catalog --

129985

and 1953 catalog --

129983

[Daryl Corona]

Dave comes through again.:bowdown:

[JeremyBall]

Nice Ithaca SBT. Welcome to the forums. Can you elaborate on any of the Parker shotguns that were in the collection?

Sure thing. I just received letters on both of them. One is serial number 237005 manufactured in 1935. Its a VHE Hammerless in 28ga / Vulcan at 28". I believe this gun is in original condition.

The second is Serial number 234044 from 1930. Its a 12ga w/ single trigger, 32", and also a VHE. I'm about 99% sure that this gun has been refinished and has new furniture. Although I'm unable to prove it at the moment (Work in progress) I think its highly likely that the work was done by Al Biesen of Spokane, WA. I have a lot of reasons to believe this is the case. Within this collection there are multiple other guns that were done by Al & his son of which I have documentation.

This collection was owned by one of the most successful mining families of the last 150 years in the pacific northwest. I'm down a rabbit hole like you can't even imagine.

I'll get some pictures taken to share these with you all. I greatly appreciate the assistance I've received from this group.

[JeremyBall]

Here are the pictures of the 12GA

[JeremyBall]

Here are pictures of the 28ga:

[Brian Dudley]

The 28g looks like an honest gun with condition. The 12g is a mess.

[Dean Romig]

The 12 gauge has been incorrectly refinished while the 28 gauge appears to be an all original gun with not much wear. This gun is how we like to see them.





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[John Davis]

This collection was owned by one of the most successful mining families of the last 150 years in the pacific northwest. I'm down a rabbit hole like you can't even imagine.

I've been down some pretty deep rabbit holes. And I’ve got a book to prove it.

[JeremyBall]

Is the 12GA just a "mess" because its not up to your standards or done in an non-traditional way? Really just curious.

[Brian Dudley]

Incorrectly finished metal and poorly restocked by way of proper form. Both guns are the same grade. So it is clear to see what one should look like (the 28) and what one should not look like (the 12)