Count down to the G&D auction.

[Craig Larter]

Some interesting Parkers/Lefevers/Foxes/Smiths for all budgets in my opinion! Decisions, decisions! LOL. I have my eye on one Parker, fingers crossed.

[CraigThompson]

I plan on viewing the items tommorrow and shoot a round at Pintail Point .

[Daryl Corona]

And I'm going with Craig to stop him from doing something he will regret in the morning.:rolleyes::nono:

[Ian Civco]

Some interesting Parkers/Lefevers/Foxes/Smiths for all budgets in my opinion! Decisions, decisions! LOL. I have my eye on one Parker, fingers crossed.

Why would you draw attention to this, perhaps inspire someone to bid, perhaps even against you, causing you to bid higher on a particular firearm or even be completely outbid, where this might not have occurred had this other bidder remained completely unaware of the auction?

[Reggie Bishop]

In the 21st Century, with the internet, electronic mail, internet TVs, laptops, handhelds and even printed media someone with any interest in classic shotguns would have to be living under a rock not to know about this or any other auction.

[Ian Civco]

In the 21st Century, with the internet, electronic mail, internet TVs, laptops, handhelds and even printed media someone with any interest in classic shotguns would have to be living under a rock not to know about this or any other auction.

I just don’t see what the advantage is. Maybe a competing bidder forgets about the auction, leading to a lower hammer price. I’ve forgotten about upcoming auctions before, and I’m sure others have, as well.

[John Albano]

It’s ok to help support Josh’s wife and kids!

[Phil Yearout]

No secrets out there anymore.

[Bill Murphy]

I went down to visit Josh today, and actually looked at a couple of guns while we were visiting. I'm like Craig Larter, I have my eye on ONE Parker. Just joking. I am selling, not buying.

[CraigThompson]

We visited Wednesday Mr.Corona , Mr.Hoover , Mr. Bawell and myself ! Had lunch then went to Pintail Point but got there to late so went to Schrader’s and shot fifty targets . To be honest I went more to see those three than to worry about buying . But I will say I looked rather close at four of them I liked a good bit !

[CraigThompson]

I just don’t see what the advantage is. Maybe a competing bidder forgets about the auction, leading to a lower hammer price. I’ve forgotten about upcoming auctions before, and I’m sure others have, as well.

Let’s be honest here , do you really think anybody that’s regularly on this forum didn’t receive a catalog of the auction ? I understand what you’re saying and followed the practice in years past , but in this day and age everyone knows about most any large auction . Sure every now and then you might sneak up on something in an auction that only has a couple guns . I was fortunate and lucked up on one that was on Invaluable that the know it all auctioneer listed incorrectly and it darn sure isn’t my place to have corrected him :whistle:

[Garry L Gordon]

Why would you draw attention to this, perhaps inspire someone to bid, perhaps even against you, causing you to bid higher on a particular firearm or even be completely outbid, where this might not have occurred had this other bidder remained completely unaware of the auction?

Let’s remember there are sellers here, and this is a sort of free advertising, or at least a reminder.

All is fair in love and auctions. :)

[Bill Murphy]

It's almost over. I hope our members scored big on this great auction. I also hope we get to share in the success of our members.

[Craig Larter]

No scores for me, sold 6 for fair prices. Gun fund is flush
LOL. Best buy in my wheelhouse was the CHE with a Miller for $2500. Plus. Nice buy someone in my opinion.

[Bob Jurewicz]

0 for 10.
Bob Jurewicz

[Garry L Gordon]

I got close on some artwork, but alas...:crying:

[Wayne Owens]

0 for 1 for me:banghead:

[Ian Civco]

0 for 1. I bid 4k on the nice Ithaca .410.

[edgarspencer]

I only bid on one gun, and at the last minute, though unsuccessful. I am pleased at the sale of the three I had in the auction, though parting with one was bittersweet.

[Bill Murphy]

Zero for two for me. I misread the message about one, thinking my bid was accepted. Someone slipped in after I hit the submit button. My mistake. What a great, well run auction. Thanks, Josh.

[Ian Civco]

It looks like we, collectively, didn’t do so well on this forum.

I’m not knocking the OP, but he did admit that he was a seller. And so I understand why he created this thread. I looked at it like we are all potential buyers.

[CraigThompson]

No scores for me, sold 6 for fair prices. Gun fund is flush
LOL. Best buy in my wheelhouse was the CHE with a Miller for $2500. Plus. Nice buy someone in my opinion.

I thought the redone DH 12 32” straight grip was fair . Also the DH 8 if it met reserve as it was listed two auctions previously and I don’t think met the reserve . The CHE 16 vent rib skeet brought less than I thought as well as the DHE 10 fluid steel gun ! Thought the Grade 5 top lever 5 frame was reasonable . Those five were all that intrested me and partially the reason I viewed on Wednesday :bigbye:

[edgarspencer]

It looks like we, collectively, didn’t do so well on this forum.

Or they're just not saying

[Greg Baehman]

Watching only the Parkers and Foxes auctioned it was apparent that bidder #900 bought many.

[Garry L Gordon]

Watching only the Parkers and Foxes auctioned it was apparent that bidder #900 bought many.

That might be the designated number for those who bid via their proprietary app.

[CraigThompson]

That might be the designated number for those who bid via their proprietary app.

That’s most likely the bidder number for the auctioneers when there’s a reserve involved .

[Dean Weber]

I was a seller and a buyer in this auction, the same as previous G&D auctions. I was bidding on the phone and online. I felt the mechanics of the auction were very professionally done. Prices seemed to be inconsistent. However, I was sufficiently prepared as the information on the lots was exceptional both in the descriptions and answers to my questions.

[Josh Loewensteiner]

That’s most likely the bidder number for the auctioneers when there’s a reserve involved .

Absolutely not the case. I announced several times during the auction that we clerk our internet platforms for Proxibid, Invaluable, LiveAuctioneers, and our own proprietary platform each to one single number.

Buyer 900 represents the Guyette and Deeter proprietary platform which had many individuals bidding on it throughout the entire sale.

The sale had a very high sell through rate.:bowdown::bowdown:

[Craig Larter]

Josh: just my nitpicking but I didn't like the two auctioneers trading lots back and forth. Each auctioneer has a different cadence and going back and forth was disruptive to the pace. Also the sound quality on invaluable was poor. Otherwise job well done.

[Garry L Gordon]

Absolutely not the case. I announced several times during the auction that we clerk our internet platforms for Proxibid, Invaluable, LiveAuctioneers, and our own proprietary platform each to one single number.

Buyer 900 represents the Guyette and Deeter proprietary platform which had many individuals bidding on it throughout the entire sale.

The sale had a very high sell through rate.:bowdown::bowdown:

Yes!

[David Noble]

There were several that really interested me, but I have surgery Monday and didn't want to get in a pickle if you know what I mean, so I didn't place any bids. Maybe next time!

[CraigThompson]

Absolutely not the case. I announced several times during the auction that we clerk our internet platforms for Proxibid, Invaluable, LiveAuctioneers, and our own proprietary platform each to one single number.

Buyer 900 represents the Guyette and Deeter proprietary platform which had many individuals bidding on it throughout the entire sale.

The sale had a very high sell through rate.:bowdown::bowdown:

So you’re telling me everything met reserve ?

[Garry L Gordon]

The app shows very few items “passed.”

[CraigThompson]

The app shows very few items “passed.”

I’d be surprised if passed and not meeting the reserve are one and the same .

[Reggie Bishop]

There were several that really interested me, but I have surgery Monday and didn't want to get in a pickle if you know what I mean, so I didn't place any bids. Maybe next time!

Hope all is successful with your surgery David.

[Arthur Shaffer]

I thought the prices were impressive. I bid on several and won only one that I intended to buy. I purchased the 1943 Beretta S3 that looked to be in good shape. I already have a 1932 S2 and I wanted it's stablemate. Those early S guns are a work of art and are lighter and livelier than the later guns. Combined with the dual triggers, they are some of the most focused hunting guns I have ever owned.

I will say that, as in past auctions, I lost a couple of low end guns I wanted due to the response of the platform and the speed of closing the auction. In several instances, I have lost the item because I prebid the opening price, waited for it to be acknowledged, a floor bid was taken before I showed up as bidder, I bid the next offer, hit submit and the auction closed before my submission was confirmed. My bid shows in the bidder list but no chance to rebid. This only happens for quick sales on guns with low interest, but it happens frequently.

[Dan Steingraber]

I thought the prices were impressive. I bid on several and won only one that I intended to buy. I purchased the 1943 Beretta S3 that looked to be in good shape. I already have a 1932 S2 and I wanted it's stablemate. Those early S guns are a work of art and are lighter and livelier than the later guns. Combined with the dual triggers, they are some of the most focused hunting guns I have ever owned.

I will say that, as in past auctions, I lost a couple of low end guns I wanted due to the response of the platform and the speed of closing the auction. In several instances, I have lost the item because I prebid the opening price, waited for it to be acknowledged, a floor bid was taken before I showed up as bidder, I bid the next offer, hit submit and the auction closed before my submission was confirmed. My bid shows in the bidder list but no chance to rebid. This only happens for quick sales on guns with low interest, but it happens frequently.

I followed the auction with the G&D app on my phone that provided live video and audio and had the catalog on the desk next to me. When using the app bidding is as easy as swiping once left to right and the recognition from the auction was almost immediate. I bid on several items during the auction never had an issue with my bid being acknowledged. My suggestion for those that had issues would be to use the G&D app instead of a third party app and be sure that your internet speed is sufficient.

[Garry L Gordon]

The app works well and quickly for me, too.

[Bill Murphy]

My experience was similar or identical to Art's. I hit the submit button, hit the confirm button, saw no other bids. The auction progressed to the next item. I assumed that I had won the item. Later I found that a higher bid had won the item. I have no idea what I could have done. Great auction, Josh.

[edgarspencer]

This is not uncommon, especially with multiple proxy services. I might be wrong, but I think it comes down to the auction personnel communicating with each other.

[Reggie Bishop]

If an auction has a gun that you want to buy there are 3 ways for success. Number 1, attend the auction in person and buy the gun/guns. 2. phone bids. 3. Place an absentee bid for the highest amount you are willing to pay. All three of these options will eliminate the issues of not being able to place the bids you are wanting to place. Having said that, the G&D platform has always worked for me.

[Reggie Bishop]

That Sousa Ithaca SBT sold well. I don't know anything other than an extremely rare gun but the price seemed pretty strong. Please someone correct me if I am wrong??

[Bill Murphy]

You are not wrong. The last two Sousa Knicks that I am aware of sold for $22,425 and $31,050, don't know if either included the BP. The $31,050 gun was put on the market later for a lower price and I don't know whether it sold. $30,000 including buyer's premium is a very strong price for a Sousa Flues gun. It is an exceptional gun though.

[Arthur Shaffer]

For what it's worth, I bid directly on the G&D site, not a third party app (at least some of those overlay a further commission percentage, which would be ridiculous to pay). I have no trouble on a bid sequence is extended, but always on items I have prebid online, and for which I am leading when the item starts. If it is a quick auction, I will invariably lose the item. I never get any acknowledgement until 30-45 seconds has passed, and find that another paddle number won. This is just my impression, but it seems that there is often a bid accepted from the floor before bids that may have been made long before the auction date. The problem comes in that if you have posted the minimum opening bid and there are no other bids, the auctioneer opens the bidding and someone on the floor opens at the minimum bid. You think it is your bid because you bid a week ago and only find out it isn't you when the bidding closes 30 or 40 seconds later. I think it may come about because the internet bids are passed to the auctioneer upon the opening of bidding. Most other live auctions I participate in (not just gun auctions) announces a lot, announces the current winning pre-bid to date and then opens the live bidding. That is the only fair way to handle it, because in a quick auction the internet bidder has placed a bid and the floor bidder is allowed to post a later bid that is in effect a non-bid. That isn't consistent with any of the rules of auction bidding I have seen. It is possible to even lose to a lower bid than your pre-bid if the online bids are reported too slowly.

[Dean Weber]

Art,
As a seller in the G&D auctions, I am especially interested in your comments regarding a lower bid gaveling when you had a higher pre-bid. I urge you to call G&D to advise them so they can investigate. If you do, it would be great to hear their findings.
Best!

[Arthur Shaffer]

Art,
As a seller in the G&D auctions, I am especially interested in your comments regarding a lower bid gaveling when you had a higher pre-bid. I urge you to call G&D to advise them so they can investigate. If you do, it would be great to hear their findings.
Best!

That is not what I said if you read closely. What I said was that it was possible to be the listed opening bidder and lose the auction when a duplicate bid is accepted from the floor or elsewhere and the auction closes before you realize your bid is not the the official bid, even though you were the high bidder when the lot opened. That has happened. There is no perfect solution when you are bidding over an internet connection, but that problem is becoming less of an issue with network improvements. As seller you are just as exposed to that issue as the buyer. I have lost many auction items in many auctions due to a temporary glitsch in communication, and that has to be accepted as part of the system. It also deprives the seller of an extra bid, but no one knows except the bidder. What I am addressing here is the fact that I have been the bidder of record when the lot opens, thought I had the bid and didn't realize I had lost until the hammer dropped.

[Dean Weber]

That is not what I said if you read closely.

Sorry, Art. What I read in post #44 was the following. After reading more closely, you were saying it is possible to lose to a lower bid, not that you did. Got it.

It is possible to even lose to a lower bid than your pre-bid if the online bids are reported too slowly.

[edgarspencer]

Years ago, it was explained to me by Dan Kull, though I'm not 100% certain I can state it as he did to me, after loosing an 1895 Deluxe Winchester. I had submitted a written bid about a week before the auction, which I thought was the winning bid. In fact I didn't win it, because the auctioneer started the item well below my bid, but because of the bid increment, a floor bidder tied my bid, but because I was not present to enter a tie breaking bid, and the floor bidder was, the gun was awarded to the floor bidder. What I never understood, was why they started well below my bid, and not opened the bidding at what was, at the time, the highest bid.

[Reggie Bishop]

Edgar I think most all auctions work that way. If the bidding stops below your max you pay less. If it exceeds your max you lose out. The last gun I purchased via auction I placed my highest bid. The bidding increased but stopped just shy of my max so I won.

[edgarspencer]

Edgar I think most all auctions work that way. If the bidding stops below your max you pay less. If it exceeds your max you lose out. The last gun I purchased via auction I placed my highest bid. The bidding increased but stopped just shy of my max so I won.

That's the part I do get. What I didn't get was why a floor bidder can tie my bid, and my bid was submitted weeks before, but the floor bidder won it. My thinking was earliest bid should win, but they explained that I wasn't there to break the tie. Now, if I pre-bid in an auction, I walk away, and let the chips fall.

The auctioneer did say that if I really want something, just put "Bid To Win". He obviously had me mistaken for someone else.

[Wayne Owens]

Edgar,
That exact same situation happened to me during this auction. I was high bidder when the auction started and the item sold for my high bid amount to someone else. Being there in-person does have it's benefits.

[Greg Baehman]

The last gun I bought by auction was via an absentee bid. I specified my maximum bid plus one. Which means they (the auction company) automatically adds the next bidding increment in the event someone ties your max bid. I won that gun with the plus one increment.

[Ian Civco]

It depends on the auction house. Some, the first bidder to a certain figure will take it, no matter where located. Others, a floor bidder supersedes any previous bid. You have to ask these questions BEFORE the auction begins.

[Stan Hoover]

The auctioneer did say that if I really want something, just put "Bid To Win". He obviously had me mistaken for someone else.[/QUOTE]

:rotf:For some reason, I thought that was you Edgar "Bid to Win":rotf:

[CraigThompson]

Years ago, it was explained to me by Dan Kull, though I'm not 100% certain I can state it as he did to me, after loosing an 1895 Deluxe Winchester. I had submitted a written bid about a week before the auction, which I thought was the winning bid. In fact I didn't win it, because the auctioneer started the item well below my bid, but because of the bid increment, a floor bidder tied my bid, but because I was not present to enter a tie breaking bid, and the floor bidder was, the gun was awarded to the floor bidder. What I never understood, was why they started well below my bid, and not opened the bidding at what was, at the time, the highest bid.

If there are say six proxy bids of which let’s say five are $1000 or below and yours is say $1500 and the increment above a thousand is 250 they should start at $1250 and go from there . They shouldn’t start it more than one increment above the next closest proxy bid to yours .

[Rich Anderson]

Well in this day and age of internet savvy and everyone knowing everything about everything I didn't realize there was an auction:shock: Probably just as well as the CHE 16 skeet gun mentioned would have tickled my fancy. I'm happy with the two matched pairs from the Southern so I don't feel i missed anything.

[CraigThompson]

Well in this day and age of internet savvy and everyone knowing everything about everything I didn't realize there was an auction:shock: Probably just as well as the CHE 16 skeet gun mentioned would have tickled my fancy. I'm happy with the two matched pairs from the Southern so I don't feel i missed anything.

Just so you know I handled that CHE vent rib skeet when I went to look . Little gun felt quite nice in the hands :cool:

[Rich Anderson]

I had a VHE 20ga vent rib skeet gun for awhile. It was a nice gun. Do you know what the CHE went for?

[Dan Steingraber]

I had a VHE 20ga vent rib skeet gun for awhile. It was a nice gun. Do you know what the CHE went for?

$22,800 with the juice.

[Bill Murphy]

Rich, it's only money and you have plenty. Now you will have even more for the February sale.

[Rich Anderson]

The only guns I'm considering is a matched pair of Purdey Island Lock hammer guns

[CraigThompson]

I had a VHE 20ga vent rib skeet gun for awhile. It was a nice gun. Do you know what the CHE went for?

I’d have been happy with the five VHE skeet guns I carried to Hausemann’s last year from the motel for a mutual friend .

[Will Gurton]

I have seen in the terms of other on-line auctions, this exact scenario called out as the tie goes to on-site bidders.

I have also seen fine print that says the auction house has the right to bid against a participant, not necessarily in conjunction with a reserve.

These were not G&D and have not studied thier terms enough to know.

I just post to make folks aware of current practices that are legal with Full Disclosure.

Will

[Arthur Shaffer]

Just wanted to report a happy ending.

I received the one gun I purchased in the auction. Examination of the gun revealed a minor issue not reported in the listing which was not easy to spot but needed to be addressed. I sent an email to G&D along with one to Josh. Josh called me within an hour. We talked about solutions, he talked to the auction company and was back to me soon with an acceptable solution for everyone and none of the hoopla that normally goes along with this sort of issue.

Couldn't ask for better service and a wonderful company to deal with.