serial no. question

[charlie cleveland]

hope somebody can help me with this serial no. 56210 suppose to be a 10 ga dh grade with 26 inch barrels damacus... has 2 dogs on each side and a dog on the bottom flore plate....thanks charlie

[Dean Romig]

Charlie, two dogs on each side is standard for B grade and higher.

[Fred Preston]

56210: grade 3 damascus, 10ga. hammerless, capped PG, 30" barrels, no extras.

[Gill Frye]

The book says it left with 30" tubes, grade 3 (DH) 10 ga.

[Dean Romig]

Charlie, can you post pictures of the "2 dogs on each side"?

[charlie cleveland]

definately 2 dogs on each side 1 dog on the floor plate..it has 26 inch barrels damascus...it is all no matching even to skelton butte plate...so says the seller....weve bought the gun but will be a few days before i have my hands on it..... we will take pictures and post them when we get it should be here next week...most unusal engraving on a d grade...i know for sure that it is a d grade it has the no 3 stamped in frame... should give us something to jaw about...

[Dean Romig]

This is a very early hammerless Grade 3 and some unusual features have been noted from this period. Best thing to do which might explain the "2 dogs on each side" engraving motif would be ordering a Research Letter. Hopefully there might be clues there.
I count only 43 earlier D3 Hammerless guns in the ID & Serialization book. There are probably a few more but only a few, I'm sure. It is fun to find the very earliest of some Parkers because they clearly show the evolution of the grades.

[charlie cleveland]

seller said gun was made in 1889 i didnot look it up..glad to hear its a early gun..seller said that there was only 45 like it but i never paid no mind to it...owner said he shot it with black powder loads...not a good turkey gun but should be ok for doves or shooting ducks over decoys...the old gun is a 2 frame gun so should not be to heavy... charlie

[Jim Akins]

Charlie, glad you got this gun, I was bidding but it got to the point that I realized I didn't need another project that bad. Nice engraving, but only I dog on each side, #2 frame so it should be easy to find a set of barrels for it. Here are some of the photos from G/B.

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http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/james-l/DH%2010ga/pix556144553.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/james-l/DH%2010ga/pix277845172.jpg


More photos at http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/james-l/DH%2010ga/

[Russ Jackson]

Hi Charlie ,I knew your Gun Broker handle and was glad a member got her ! Very unique engraving style for a D Grade ,You did alright I feel sure ! I had the gun on my watch list also ,but realized early on the barrels had been cut ,even so still a very nice gun ,if you don't mind a little extra weight should be a great early season ,open choked bird gun ! Congrats. on your new gun ! :) Russ

[Dean Romig]

Thanks, that clears things up a bit.

[charlie cleveland]

thanks jim that is the gun...i cant post pictures to well but i can fine tune some hunting loads...maybe that i can find someextra barrels for the old gun...old gun looked pretty good to meso i thought i would like it...i f you had bid one more penny it would have been yours jim... thanks for posting pictures... charlie

[charlie cleveland]

i knew there had to be some other parker lovers looking at this old gun...thought maybe some were asleep or just not looking that day...i feel like its a good gun like you said russ..glad you fellas didnot need a nother project...sorry about seeing the 2 dogs musta had my reading glasses on... charlie

[Bill Murphy]

It also has the lovely chased water table as well as the unusual early engraving pattern. It will be a fine gun.

[calvin humburg]

Thats a really nice gun Charlie I really like the engraving and the wood well heck the whole gun I'm still sbpless. Make a great gun for out here I'll be wating. Seeing Phesant and Quail flirting along the roads. That would be Mr. phesants with Mrs.phez and Mr.bob with Mrs.bob.

[charlie cleveland]

hope themmisters and misses get together and raise some big familys...i will have to load up some lite loads for that old 10 after i check it out...i think 1 1/8 ounce shot should be a good quail load and maybe a 1 1/4 for the phez.. old gun looks good in the pictures seller said stock was 15 inches...may have to wear lite clothing were it want hang up.... charlie

[Larry C. Jones]

I am interested in how many 410 gauge double barrel guns Parker Bros made and how many were made by Remington under the Parker name?
lcjones

[charlie cleveland]

maybe some of these other fellas will pitch in here they no a lot about parkers...all i know is that i like them...i do know this much any 410 parker will beout of my reach... charlie

[Larry C. Jones]

In Parker Gun Identification & Serialization, compiled by Price & Fjestad, I physically counted that there were 267 .410s produced before the sale to Remington. Then there were 193 after the sale until 1939. It does not carry forward through until 1942. There must be some record of this production that remington did while in NY. Therefore, if any one has any documents that show the number, I'd be thankful to know it. As it stands, now, I can count 490 .410s produced, the majority of these had 26-inch barrels.
Thanks
lcj

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Larry, and there are argueably a number we may never know included in the missing books.

[James Brown]

I am interested in how many 410 gauge double barrel guns Parker Bros made and how many were made by Remington under the Parker name?
lcjones

Anyone interested in Parker .410s should read the Parker section of Ron Gabriel's book "American and British 410 Shotguns". Interesting information on guns produced after Remington.
James

[Dean Romig]

Ron's book is an excellent .410 resource.

[Larry C. Jones]

i am doing an appraisal for a couple of Parkers. (I'm a gunsmith) In those appraisals, I wanted to include some information about the number produced since I had a date as to when they were started in production and the original 6 that were ordered. I guess I'll just go with the information I have gleaned from all the research material I have and that should satisfy the authentication of the appraisal.

Thanks bunch for your reading and responding.
lcj

[Dean Romig]

Larry, you will not come any closer to the actual number produced than the information in the Serialization and Identification book.

[Bill Murphy]

The SB does not include extrapolated totals, so it isn't a real good source. Where did the 490 come from? Is the extra 30 after the 267 and the 193 the estimated production after 1939? The best place to have gone with the least effort was The Parker Story, where you could get the totals by grade in known stock book and IBM card entries, in addition to the extrapolated total. The "by grade" total is 568, which includes, by my count from the appendix, 62 of the 568 as an extrapolated estimate, and 506 as actual book entries. Counting of the appendix may be off by a few, but Mr. Mullins' total is as the book states.

[Larry C. Jones]

The 490 is a mistake on the keyboard. It should have read 460. I have ordered Ron Gabriel's book "American and British 410 Shotguns". I could use it in my library anyway. I have the Parker Story but it does dwell on grade & doesn't list, except in the skeet section, how many of each gauge were produced. BTW, in the skeet section, there were 3 produced by Remington in 16-gauge in the CH grade. I have one of them that I am appraising.
You guys have been great. I really appreciate all the post and interest. I should be able to wind this up in a few days. Myself, I'm an AYA guy because they are so hard to work on.

[charlie cleveland]

finally got the dh parker in my hands a few days ago..almost went into shosk when i opened the box..before i got it unwraped i knew the stock was broke...onlw think holding it together was trigger guard screw....should have took pictures but did not...thought about having some one fix the stock but got to thinking ill try this myself... yesterday i took the gun out to the shop and finally got it glued in place...this morning i went out there andgot it and started cleaning up the glue and what not on the stock...must say ive done a fair job on it...will look good when im done..today i shot a box of lite loads of 1 1/8 ounce through the gun...stock held up fine...have learned a valuable lesson though through this experance... first i forgot to have gun insured dont usally do that... 2nd i should have requiered gun be shipped in a hard case...i guess its live and learn.ive now have repaired my first broke stock but hope i never have to repair another espicially a gun i like as well as this old ten...gonna make this my dove gun for early season.... charlie