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Phillip Carr
05-22-2024, 12:10 AM
I purchased a Charles Daly SBT 12 gauge today and am hoping some of our knowledgable members can provide me with some information.
I cannot pick it up for another week and hope to clean it up at that time. I really did not need another project as I have a dozen that still need completed.
The price it was offered to me at I felt I could not pass up.
Unfortunately it sat in an attic for probably the last 70 to 80 years. It has a fair amount of rust and pitting on the receiver and barrel, but the bore is excellent it just needs a good scrubbing.
I believe it is a Linder gun made in Prussia. It is marked Prussia and has HAL over crossed pistols marked on the barrel along with RS and Excelsior Witten Steel.
Serial number is 2356 with very little engraving. It does have 34” barrel, and a POW grip. Twin ivory beads
Here are a few pictures of the good side.
Bill Murphy
05-22-2024, 11:16 AM
Look at Double Gun Journal, Summer and Winter 2005 and Summer 2013 issue for some interesting Lindner information. The 2013 issue will prove that I sometimes post pictures of my own guns.
Phillip Carr
05-22-2024, 11:58 AM
Thank you Bill. I will have a look to see if I have these issues. I have the summer of 2013. Great pictures and article Bill.
I will now need to see if i can find the articles in the 2005 DGJ.
Arthur Shaffer
05-22-2024, 07:19 PM
If it is marked Prussia and has the Linder mark, it is a good one. That serial number is low for a Daly and is likely a very late one.
I shopped a while last year for one but never pulled the trigger. If I remember they later made different models with differing numbers of locking lugs and designs. All were not Linder. I found a lot of info in some of the old Daly catalog reprints.
What I did find is that it seems harder to find a really good clean example of them campared to other trap singles, especially at a reasonable price.
Phillip Carr
05-22-2024, 07:27 PM
Here are a few more pictures.
edgarspencer
05-22-2024, 09:23 PM
Phil, That is a beautiful gun. Ordinarily, I don't go all silly on restoration, but I think the gun deserves to be pretty.
Phillip Carr
05-22-2024, 10:00 PM
Thank you Edgar. I think we are on the same page when it comes to this SBT.
The other side is pretty ugly but I think can be fixed. If not it will still make a great shooter.
Its pretty Plain but well made. I can pick it up next week and will have a chance to evaluate further and share more information.
Drew Hause
05-23-2024, 06:46 PM
Here you go Phil
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/lindner-charles-daly-sbts.835893/
With your permission I'd like to add your pics to that thread
I believe your gun would be an early SD&G import prior to the No. 165. SD&G ads for the “Charles Daly Single Barrel Ventilated Rib Gun” first appeared in 1909
The No. 165 was not introduced until 1912 and with Krupp barrels. The No. 265 had Excelsior Witten as does your gun
https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/SBTs/i-czn25Zx/0/CzTTrKzHFLpp7gXjtzxDqjtRfsLrmfznmqvRbnmcv/L/Lindner%20165%20Grade-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/SBTs/i-czn25Zx/A)
https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/SBTs/i-dzffvkq/0/CCNtzVPv6njtwjGSvjv72Nn7MvmKPhgHW8cMvKX4T/L/Lindner%20165%20toplever-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/SBTs/i-dzffvkq/A)
I recall that you brought a Daly SBT to the "Doubles in the Desert" shoot in Tuscon long ago.
Scroll down about 2/3 here for Ken Georgi's article in the German Gun Collectors Ass. Journal
https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/archive-charles-daly/
Phillip Carr
05-23-2024, 11:48 PM
Thank you Doc for the information. You are correct I did have another SBT Daly. I owned it for a dozen years before selling it to buy something else I wanted.
Feel free to use the pictures. I should have more next week after I pick up the gun.
Drew Hause
05-24-2024, 12:59 PM
Phil: please do post more full size high resolution pics after receiving the gun, or send them as attachments to drewhausemd@yahoo.com
Looking forward to seeing the gun at Mike's at the next shoot.
Phillip Carr
05-24-2024, 03:32 PM
I will absolutely post more pictures as well as send some directly to you.
I look forard to visiting with you also at Mikes cow-pasture shoot.
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