8 gauge shells

[Chuck Bishop]

I picked up 3 sealed boxes of Remington Industrial shells plus 1 opened box. Looks like they were loaded by Gamebore. Are these shells new and loaded for firing into kilns or are they resized and ready to shoot out of a 8 ga. shotgun? I'm new to this big bore stuff!!!

[Craig Larter]

Beware Pink Footed Geese, when are you headed to Scotland!!

[Stan Hoover]

Chuck,

I have two boxes of these 8 gauge Gamebore shells.

They are also Remington Industrial hulls that have been resized, apparently this is what Gamebore utilized for their ammo.

Stan

[Arthur Shaffer]

Don't forget that England still allows 8 gauge for some hunting and that many of the older English guns have a larger chamber than the US did. I have a mint Scott 8 gauge that accepts a industrial hull perfectly and works well with them. The front half of the brass fireforms out slightly to fit the chamber.

[Bill Murphy]

Don't fire the kiln shell in any sporting shotgun, even if they fit in the chambers.

[Stan Hoover]

Don't fire the kiln shell in any sporting shotgun, even if they fit in the chambers.

Are you suggesting these are Industrial loads there Murph?

[CraigThompson]

Don't fire the kiln shell in any sporting shotgun, even if they fit in the chambers.

Honestly , do you “really” think anyone on here would try and shoot actual industrial loads in a true sporting gun . I think not !

[Bill Murphy]

To answer Stan's comment, may I state that Chuck said the three boxes were "industrial shells". I took him at his word.

[Chuck Bishop]

The base said Remington Industrial.

[Arthur Shaffer]

They do but the box is clearly marked as 2oz of No.3 shot and Black Powder. They are using the hulls for reloads.

This is an interesting area, as I brought up above. I don't own a US made 8 gauge, but I believe that older British 8 gauges had larger chambers than their American counterparts. I know the Scott single I own is fit perfectly by the new Remington hulls I own. They are made with the two layer head crimped over the regular head. A brass RMC 8 gauge is slightly loose in the chamber and I won't fire these until I anneal them. I will recieve the Webley double of the same age tomorrow and I am interested to see if it has a small or large head chamber. I became more curious when I recieved an antique 8 gauge loading tool the other day. Someone mentioned it in a post and I purchased it. It included a used (well) red Remington hull marked Remington Apex No. 8 (if I remember) and had "Hand Loaded" printed on the hull. Remington UMC was stamped around the head above the rim in a rather bold stamping. It was a very old hull which predated the industrial loads and I am sure was a commercial hunting load originally, but it had the same two layer head design. Pictures I have seen of British loads also seem to often have this construction. I am coming to suspect that for most of the sporting history of the 8, the two continents did not match.

Another interesting point is that after looking at the CH die charts/dexcriptions and some technical info , I believe many Industrial loads now feature a cylinderical, of sorts, metal bullet/slug. That may reflect multiple uses.

I may have related before that the father and son gunsmiths I used for years were full time machinests for the C&O railroad yards in Russell KY. It was the largest manual switching yard in the world and had a big repair/construction section for rail cars. The yard used regular Mossberg 12 gauge shotguns for descaling boilers. They had the contract for rebuilding these gun every 100,000 rounds.. They said many of the guns went through 6 or seven rebuilds before being retired.

[edgarspencer]

Several years ago, Gary Herman acquired about 75-80 ten round boxes of 8ga Gamebore and Eley Bismuth shells. I sold a few for him on this site. One man bought the entire remainder, entirely for the bismuth. Going from memory, I believe I was told he was cutting the top edge of the rolled crimp, taking out the bismuth, filling them with lead shot (size unknown) and re-rolling a crimped closure, ending up with a shell, one quarter inch shorter. Because of the difference in density of lead vs bismuth, they were the same load. in less space.
I should note, as far as I know, he was NOT reselling them as bismuth, but lead.
The reason I mention this, is the picture Chuck showed, of the roll crimped hull appears to be less than perfect, and is much like what I was getting using a BPI single pin roll crimper, which is why I switched to the Ross six pin roller.
I'm not suggesting the shells Chuck bought are of those, described above, although they may be.
If whomever I sold some of those Bismuth Gamebore shells still has any, do they appear like the picture of Chuck's Gamebore shells? I believe the original shells were marked, in gold letters on the side of the hull.

[CraigThompson]

The base said Remington Industrial.

Every 8 gauge hull I have says industrial both Remington and Winchester .

[Chuck Bishop]

I opened 1 of the sealed boxes and you can see the rolled crimp. The separate shells outside the box are some reloads that came with the shells.

[CraigThompson]

I opened 1 of the sealed boxes and you can see the rolled crimp. The separate shells outside the box are some reloads that came with the shells.

So let’s see a picture of the 8 gauge gun you plan on shooting these in ?

[Chuck Bishop]

No longer my problem 😁

[Bill Murphy]

Edgar, I bought a quantity of Bismuth eights from Gary several years ago. Some day I will fire them at live game. I won't bother to mine them for the bismuth because "the price was right".

[Keith Sirmans]

Look like resized reloads to me

[Phillip Carr]

Edgar as I recall I purchased these two boxes of Eley from you. I have attached pictures.