DGJ Index III

[Phil Yearout]

It sounds like the index is still in limbo pending sufficient pre-orders. According to Daniel they must have enough $ to pay the printer up-front. I have no idea where they are with this or how much money it will take; didn't feel it was my place to ask.

Personally I would like to see a third index and I think it will be a shame if it doesn't happen. If you'd like to see it too and haven't ordered I urge you to go ahead and place an order; it's not a lot of money - the price of a few boxes of shells maybe.

If any of you would post on other relevant sites that would be great. Our last chance for a publication from these folks who have given so much to the double gun community. JMO.

[Russ Jackson]

I thought it was a GO ! , I ordered mine as soon as I received my notification ! I hope also they get enough orders !

[Rick Losey]

ok -

so how will using the credit owed help pay the advance to the printer?

[Phil Yearout]

If you have enough credit to pay for the whole thing I guess it won't.

[Bill Murphy]

Daniel has had my money for some time.

[Brian Dudley]

What a ridiculous way to do business.

[Phil Yearout]

Pre-selling a book is fairly common in the publishing industry, especially when the book is particularly expensive to produce, as this one will be. And let's remember, this is not a big publishing house we're dealing with here.

[Ken Hill]

This is the latest post on the DGJ Facebook page. Looks like the publication is moving along with a slight delay.

“ We have extended the deadline to order The Double Gun Journal- Index & Reader Vol. 3 at the pre-publication price. By April 1st is now the extended deadline for these orders, and the books should be published and delivered to us for shipping by or before the end of that month. Of course we will continue to accept orders after 1 April 2024, but since the printing will take place soon after that date, the supply will then be limited to the number not already pre-ordered and set for delivery. Please direct all questions concerning the above, to Daniel Côté via this page or to: danieljoanna1945@gmail.com”

Ken

[Frank Srebro]

Any update on the current promise for the end of the month (April)?

[Bill Murphy]

Pre selling is normally referring to dealer orders, not individual orders. Without a magazine to advertise for this Volume 3, orders may be a bit slow coming. Not everyone is a participant on a collector's forum. I'll be waiting patiently for the end of April to see what happens.

[Ronald A Moore]

Looks like we might or not get it soon or ever. I hope we do, I agree with Brian, not a good way to do business.

Ron

[Dean Romig]

For the Nay-Sayers - Daniel and Joanna Cote have busted their butts producing the Finest gun magazine in the World that caters solely to our interests.
Let’s just keep in mind that the Double Gun and Single Shot Journal as we have always known and loved it, is effectively out of business because subscriptions had been dropping off for years. But they continued the effort out of their own pockets for as long as they could.
The Double Gun Journal Index And Reader Vol. III is being published for us because they are fulfilling a Promise to us that they would.

Come on guys, lighten up.






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[Don Ladd]

Very well said Dean. I am a personal friend of Danial. I have spent time with him and Joanna in their home, I have bought many great doubles from Danial in the past few years. Danial is a man of his word, we will get delivery of the index reader III, just like the Double Gun Journal was delivered for 32 years. Danial hasn't told anyone this, with his permission I'll tell everyone, Danial was very ill for 2 months over this winter and it set the index reader back for time. Expected delivery is first of May as long there isn't ant problems with the printer is what he told me. Also Double Gun Journal isn't out of business, they still sell back issues and are running everyday, the are out of business of publishing the Double Gun Journal though.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Don, I was aware af Daniel’s illness but like you, it wasn’t my story to tell.
I also should have clarified that it is only the publication of the magazine DGJ that has ended.

Again, Thanks!





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[Bill Murphy]

I'm glad my comments were positive. I never had any doubts that the book would be published. I am a bit disappointed that the authors of articles were not contacted to participate. My assumption is that some were contacted, and some were not. Waiting patiently.

[Phil Yearout]

Bill, there were several notices in the magazine asking for submissions to be considered for the index.

[Frank Srebro]

I'm glad my comments were positive. I never had any doubts that the book would be published. I am a bit disappointed that the authors of articles were not contacted to participate. My assumption is that some were contacted, and some were not. Waiting patiently.

This author of two manuscripts that were solicited by the editors and with their publications pending when the DGJ plug was pulled, was offered publication in the Index but gratis and in trade for copies of the Index. I don't know about others.

[Brian Dudley]

This author of two manuscripts that were solicited by the editors and with their publication pending when the plug was pulled, was offered publication in the Index but gratis and in trade for copies of the Index. I don't know about others.

Back in 2013 when I had a 15 page article published, they did not pay me a dime. And when I called them out on it all they did was offer me a subscription, back issues or catalog reprints. Things that sort of didnt cost them as much as just paying me what they should have for the submission. I pretty much wrote the publication off after that.

[Ken Hill]

This is the latest post on the DGJ Facebook page. They still working on getting the Index out.

“ We are just a few weeks away from publishing the third Index and Reader. It is a mammoth task so bear with us. In the mean time we are pleased to announce that the first two volumes are now available in our webstore in both digital and print editions, for those who don't have them yet. As a special offer, the digital editions are priced at just $9 each for a very limited time.
These volumes altogether contain 113 unpublished articles, totalling nearly 600 pages. There are two indexes, one by author and the other by subject, which makes it easy to find any article from 1989 to 1996 and 1997 to 2005. Each volume has enough reading matter to fill two quarterly issues so buying both gives you a whole year of DGJ. The print versions are beautifully bound hardbacks and are designed to complement your journal collection. Only 76 of the first volume are left so don't delay. These volumes are available as single items in our store now : https://www.thedoublegunjournal.net/shop. Enjoy!”

Ken

[Jim McKee]

Recently sent an e-mail asking about the new mailing date
this is what I received
"Jim:
Hi. We are currently hoping to ship the Index & Reader III by the end of next month.
Thank you,
Heidi
The Double Gun Journal"

[Dean Romig]

Last week I had a much longer and in depth and more personal communication with Daniel but the message was essentially the same.






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[Bill Murphy]

That would be the "end of May". I am looking forward to that event. Thanks.

[William Woods]

I contacted Heidi some time ago to order Vol III of the Index. I have never had a problem with any order from them over the years and do not anticipate any problem with the latest.

[Ken Hill]

Daniel posted this on Facebook. It looks like he’s having trouble with getting the same type cover used in the past and is now going with a different color/cover. Looks like Index 3 will ship the end of June.

“ 90% finished with the preparation of the book BUT have not been able to find a producer of the cover material (in color or texture), as the producer in Germany, where we procured the leatherette for the slipcases has closed down, leaving us with our second choice (Skivertex) which no longer produces the color and texture we used for Index 2 more than 16 years ago. Since we are so far behind and running out of options, we will probably have to go with a much different cover material in a different color. Since the last too-many years of DGJ publication we operated at a loss since our subscriptions fell dramatically beginning in Sept. of 2001 (12,000), our advertising revenue followed suit, as the younger generation's taste for our favorite guns & rifles moved to target guns and pistols (understandably for self defense and for the times we are facing politically). As enthusiasm in our guns waned, postage costs escalated to a point making the shipping costs to foreign countries prohibitive for most of our subscribers then living in more than 60 foreign countries... so we lost those subscribers as well. At the time we discontinued production of DGJ, we had approximately 3300 faithful subscribers, and to those we sent a pre-order card for the Index 3 , back issues, slipcases , and our other products. Subscribers with remaining issues due them were given credit towards Index 3 and any of our products. Please hang on despite our misfortunes...there is the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel, and by June of this year we should be shipping the long-awaited book to you. Those of you who would like a refund of the pre-publication price you paid, please contact us and we will make good. Meanwhile, to all those who have not experienced Index 1 or 2, they are both available in digital and hard copy at our website ( thedoublegunjournal.net). These are both nearing sell-out , so we offer them in digital format especially for you members not residing in the USA at only $ 9 each. They are your quintessential "tool" to find anything and everything we published in the first 64 issues of the journal. . . all available now in both digital and first edition printed copies. Meanwhile, please allow me to answer your questions on this site. Thanks for your past patronage and interest in the future of The Double Gun & Single Shot Journal. Daniel & Joanna”

Ken

[Garry L Gordon]

Good things come to he who waits.

[Ronald A Moore]

anyone have an update on book number three, First it was April 2024 then June 2024, June i here no book or news again. Bad way to do business.

Ron Moore

[Jeff langbehn]

I thought a long time before I decided to reply to this chain… and if I offend some of you I’m sorry but… get over yourself! the DGJ was an institution for most all of us that have enjoyed Sxs guns all of these years.Daniel ,Joanna and Heidi have treated all of us extremely well and deserve a better attitude. So what if it’s delayed for a couple of months while they are finalizing the details, I for one am anxiously awaiting it when it gets here. I know nothing about the publishing business and don’t intend to start questioning someone who has not only built the finest published series of books and magazines ever done about Sxs guns and has had some serious health issues to contend with this spring as well to boot …. Give them a break. JEFF LANGBEHN

[Bill Murphy]

I have 125 pounds of back issues to pore over while I'm waiting for the Volume 3 Index. Most of that 125 pounds of DGJ hasn't been seen in decades. Daniel, take your time while I am reading.

[Dean Romig]

Jeff Langbehn - Congratulations for your very astute defense of the Cote family’s dedicated decades-long DGJ venture. It is through their love of the finest doublegun classics ever made that we subscribers, who share an equally enamoured interest, that we have had such a wonderful publication. I have personally spoken with Daniel as recently as a few weeks ago and he told me he would let me know when it is published and about to be shipped so that I could post it here on the PGCA forum.

It WILL Come - and that’s a guarantee!





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[Jim McKee]

DGJ Index III,
Heidi sent me a update 3 hrs ago
They are hoping to ship by the end of July
I am very willing to wait longer, as I expect it will probably be ever better than Index 1 & 2
Jim

[Ronald A Moore]

Once again , Hopefully July, does not sound like a plan buy just another excuse. I hope to get it but my hopes are fading, to many promise dates and no results.

Ron Moore

[Dean Romig]

Patience… patience… patience.





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[Russ Jackson]

Gentlemen ,any new updates to the New Index and Reader ???:corn:

[Jim McKee]

Received a reply to my latest e-mail about shipping date
"Hi. The current hope is that it will be shipped by the end of September, as we have had a lot of delays.

Thank you,

Heidi

The Double Gun Journal"

[Ronald A Moore]

Absolute crazy, it seems they are always why they cannot do what they have promised, they are giving Sept now I hope but doubt we will ever see book, just promises.

Ron Moore

[Dean Romig]

I can’t believe the criticisms of Daniel’s and Joanna’s herculean efforts to get this final volume finally published. If folks only knew the obstacles they have had to hurdle, the speed bumps that continue to pop up in their path…

Me?…. I’ll remain patient, fully knowing it will come when it comes in spite of all the obstacles…. Sheesh!





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[Ronald A Moore]

I do not care that they seem to always have some excuse as to why they cannot do what they say they are going to do, as I remember I renewed my subscription for two years and about a month later they decided to stop publishing the magazine, The money I sent is not the problem, it is they do not seem to have a good plan to finish the job, maybe I am wrong, As they are out of business, I do not know how they will ever get it done, broken promises only make it worse. I guess they are still trying to sell older copies of magazine, in publishing world old stock is almost worthless..

Ron

[Dean Romig]

I believe you’ll be singing a happier tune when your copy arrives.

Sure would like to know what you think of their efforts after you’ve had a chance to read through it. :cheers:





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[Ronald A Moore]

Hope we do get it, but very unlikely anytime soon or maybe ever, I just wish they would either do it or not, stalling is not an option, when. I heard they were waiting to sell enough for printing, that is not a good sign.

Ron Moore

[Dean Romig]

That’s the very reason they found it necessary to end the DGJ… the readership kept dwindling because of attrition due to the fact that their readership was dying off and younger folks largely are just not interested in our classic firearms.
They have sold much of their personal collections and Vol III of the Index and Reader is self-financed, not from the long-gone ‘profits’ generated by sales of DGJ.

I won’t comment on this subject any longer… doing so seems to be an exercise in futility.



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[Mike Koneski]

Dean, just like everything worthwhile in life, if it was easy everyone would be doing it. Just sayin' for a friend.

[Dean Romig]

For sure Mike!





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[Garry L Gordon]

There are many noteworthy things to fret about in life. This ain’t one of them. It’ll come when it does. Something to look forward to.

[Ronald A Moore]

Almost 2025, we were promised book would be shipped in 2024, WRONG again, went to web site, they are tying to sell digital and old printed books. Hope we get what we paid for, but I doubt it, we have been promised but no results yet. Crazy way to do business..

Ron Moore

[Chris Robenalt]

Ron, I spoke with Joanna last week. She said things are at the printer's, and the readers will be out by February.

[Ronald A Moore]

we have heard that printer story before, I really want to get book, but have my doubts. I realize why magazine went out, if you do bussiness in this way, one often fails.

Ron

[Dean Romig]

we have heard that printer story before, I really want to get book, but have my doubts. I realize why magazine went out, if you do bussiness in this way, one often fails.

Ron


Ron, You simply do not know the DGJ story... at all!




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[Jeff langbehn]

Dean said it best, if not for the DGJ we would not even have this forum, if you are concerned about your money, tell me how much and I’ll Give it to you…. Jeff langbehn

[Ronald A Moore]

I have been subscribed to DGJ for almost 14 years great book, great articles, great pictures, when it was sols it went south quickly, bad deal bur it happens in business, hope we get Reader 111, as promised over and over again. Money is not abject just want the book. I think I know the DJG story only the old owners wrote it.

Ron Moore

[Phil Yearout]

I may be wrong but I don’t think it was ever sold. I believe the Cotes were owners/publishers from soup to nuts?

[Bill Murphy]

Sols???

[Dean Romig]

Okay… For the doubters here…
This is from Daniel this morning.
I hope this answers all the questions from the naysayers.


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[Michael Moffa]

Daniel and Joanna:

My condolences on the loss of your son. I and I'm sure the majority of the PGCA members and the vast multitudes in the double gun community who are forever grateful for the work you put into making the DGJ and all the books and videos available to us.

Thank you;

Michael Moffa

[Garry L Gordon]

Let's give these folks a break. This is not your typical large scale publisher, so a little understanding of their situation is in order (and thanks, Dean, for your reminder that there are human issues here to take into consideration.)

I get the need for recreational complaining, but do it about something else...try big government or the USPS at Christmas for example.:)

[Doug Hudson]

Hello everybody,
I just wanted to let you know I had tried emailing DGJ as I needed to change my address and didn't get a response. So I called this morning and talked to Joann. She said that they will be shipping end of Feb.

Merry Christmas

[Jeff langbehn]

I’m sorry Daniel had to divulge his personal situation for the benefit of some who felt compelled to belittle him. Daniel and Joanna gave so much for many of our benefits. If not for their dedication many of us would not have so much joy…. They deserve ALL of our gratitude….

[Dean Romig]

I just heard from Daniel and Joanna today and their publisher in Canada will begin shipping to us in March.

And that's some Very Good News.





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[Jeff langbehn]

I am not aware that the DGJ was ever sold, Ron you seem to be a genuinely unhappy fellow, I suspect if I had gone through what Daniel and his family have gone through the publication of anything might not matter. With that said does anyone have a current update Jeff Langbehn

[Dean Romig]

See my post immediately above yours. I posted this news 1/2 hour ago... and that's the latest.




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[Dean Romig]

I have been subscribed to DGJ for almost 14 years great book, great articles, great pictures, when it was sols it went south quickly, bad deal bur it happens in business, hope we get Reader 111, as promised over and over again. Money is not abject just want the book. I think I know the DJG story only the old owners wrote it.

Ron Moore


Ronald, you obviously do NOT know the Double Gun Journal story. It was started by Daniel and Joanna Cote in about 1990 but the first issue was a couple of years later. DGJ has NEVER been sold. Daniel and Joanna moved from their beautiful little house in the hills of Vermont and moved lock, stock and barrel to Michigan and they've been there ever since. They still own all the rights to the DGJ even though sadly, it is no longer being published.

Regards, Dean





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[Jeff langbehn]

Thank you Dean, jeff

[Bill Murphy]

If Ron will let me know how much money to send him, I will send him a check for that amount. When the book arrives at his home, I'm sure he will send it to me, USPS Media Mail. He will have to wait in line to replace me as the "PGCA Curmudgeon". There are a few in front of him.

[Clark McCombe]

Question from a newer member.
What exactly is the “DGJ?”

[Dean Romig]

The Double Gun Journal which is no longer in publication due to budget constraints and lack of subscribers. We ALL will miss this wonderful magazine.





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[Clark McCombe]

I am sorry. Like several of the farm publications I looked forward to receiving, either no longer exist or are downsized to the point of irrelevancy.

[Ken Hill]

I’m not sure how long Daniel has had this gun for sale. At the bottom of the listing is this information:

A MESSAGE TO ALL WHO HAVE ORDERED THE "INDEX & READER VOLUME 3":
The Double Gun Journal Index & Reader Volume 3 (456 page hardcover) will be published and shipped by the end of March 2025.
The pre-publication rate of $135 Ppd. to U.S.A. will remain in effect until March 15, 2025. If you haven't ordered yours, please call us.

Ken

[Clark McCombe]

I spoke to Daniel a few days ago.
He still has the 20ga Trojan for sale.
Sounds like a very original gum

[Mills Morrison]

Fingers crossed it happens. . . .

[Dean Romig]

It will.





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[Craig Budgeon]

I received Volume 1 issue 1 of the DGJ after waiting more than a year after I subscribed. It arrived sealed in a cardboard box just like the last issue. After opening the box, I realized that all promises had met. Whenever I have ordered products from the Cotes I have never expected a firm delivery date on products which haven't been produced yet but they would arrive. I for one have enjoyed every issue of the DGJ I received and Know I will never have an opportunity to buy a magazine of that quality again!

[Bill Murphy]

Every time I see a new post on this thread, I expect to read that someone has received the Volume 3 Index. Won't be long, now. Is part of the story that the book is at the printer's and waiting for the printer to finish up, or start up? Even I'm getting a bit of doubt, and I like the guy. I believe it won't be long now.

[Dean Romig]

Yes, it is at the printers. It’s in their hands now… but we know they have had a couple of difficulties that have contributed to this delay.





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[Mills Morrison]

I am hopeful it happens. If it is at the printer, that is significant progress.

[Bill Murphy]

I'm unemployed at this time. I would be glad to give him a hand.

[Dean Romig]

I'm unemployed at this time. I would be glad to give him a hand.

I offered my help over a year ago to assist them in editing/proofreading but they said they thanked me but were capable of doing it by themselves… and they were of course.





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[Jeff langbehn]

Like all good things, they are worth waiting for. I’m certain it’s going to be worth the wait. Jeff

[Greg Baehman]

I just put my order in for the Index lll from Joanna and received the partial credit from my remaining subscription to the magazine from which I had been a charter subscriber. She did confirm the Index lll is now at the printer, but it won't be shipped until towards the end of April 2025.

[Craig Budgeon]

Would the Parker Story ever had been printed if not for the Cotes? The 159 articles in the DGJ, the Herschel Chadick DVD, the reprints of rare Parker catalogues, and the two readers to date have helped every member of this club. I trust that the Cotes will ship it to me when it is ready and after what they have been through, I believe that is an awful lot to expect!

[Robert Brooks]

I ordered my copy today 3/14/25 and was told shipping volume 3 in May. Bobby