Looking into a Parker for friend

[Steven Untiet]

Hello, Trying to find out what I can about this old shotgun. From what I can tell it was made in 1875,grade5 with a frame size 4. 10 gauge. Is getting a factory letter worth it? Any idea of what it's worth?
Thanks

[Steven Untiet]

Sorry forgot to add, it is missing a firing pin and has an incorrect hammer screw.

[Dean Romig]

We’d love to see the engraved scene on the bottom of the frame. Looks like a large cat or canine attacking a deer??? We haven’t seen such engraving on a Parker until this, that I know if.
Parker No. 4560 is shown in the Grade column as a D which, as nearly as I can determine, indicates Damascus barrels and not necessarily a Grade 3 (D). The bolster sculpting is that of a Grade 3 gun but in that period grades had yet to be assigned, let alone a standardization of checkering, engraving, bolster and frame sculpting.
The subject gun actually lacks any group of grade-specific features but the lock plates have four pins behind the hammers which is specific to grade 3 and higher Parkers, however, the level of engraving of the lock plates is more often associated with later hammer guns of at least grade 4 and higher. The stock lacks the drop points common to grade 3 and higher.
It’s an enigma for sure and as the OP has stated, it could be the equivalent to the later Grade 5… or maybe a Grade 4. A research letter may show a grade but more likely will list only its dollar value.

Nice Parker by the way and certainly a good candidate for a quality and true-to-originality freshening.





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[Arthur Shaffer]

That appears overall to be a nice high grade Parker. It is a higher grade with some unique touches. According to the lookup, there are factory records for the gun. I would think it would be a very good idea to get a letter. It may not tell you much or it may reveal a lot. I often get letters just on guns I am considering for purchase.

[Steven Untiet]

Here is a picture of the bottom of receiver.
I am going to order a letter but if you guys could help with a couple question on the form for me that would be great:
Grip Type: Capped Pistol Grip Straight Round Ball
Forend Type: Splinter Beavertail
Not sure which box to check for those and the butt plate is recoil pad correct?
Thanks

[Dean Romig]

It is a straight grip.
Splinter forend.
Aftermarker (non-Parker Bros.) hard rubber or gutta percha buttplate.

Thanks for the better picture - So it's a hound attacking a buck.... very interesting.

Now, what's that scene on the trigger guard?



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[CraigThompson]

Thanks for the better picture - So it's a hound attacking a buck.... very interesting.

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Now I'm finding it rather intresting :whistle:

[Steven Untiet]

I’ll see if I can get a better pic of the trigger guard.

[Dean Romig]

Judging by the style and execution of the engraving and the year of manufacture as well as the higher grade, or dollar quality, of the gun I would say the engraving was done by Jacob Glahn who engraved most Parkers up to serial number 7,000.




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[Angel Cruz]

What a beauty!!

[Steven Untiet]

Thanks for all the replies. Here is the best pic I could come up with of the trigger guard and a whole fore end photo. Barrels are 30 inches long and I am ordering a paper for it.

[Dean H Hanson]

Steven, Wow!!!! Truly an amazing Parker!

[Bill Murphy]

How did you arrive at the conclusion that it was a #4 frame? The exact measurement of the distance between the firing pins determines that. Can you give us that measurement?

[Brian Dudley]

I think that the buttstock is an old replacement. It is not original to the gun. It appears in much better condition than the forend and it lacks a number of features that it should have for the grade of gun.

A higher grade example of any Parker this early is a special thing.

[keavin nelson]

A dog retrieving a bird on the trigger guard???

[Dean Romig]

I don’t know… it’s not sharp enough for my eyes.





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[Steven Untiet]

How did you arrive at the conclusion that it was a #4 frame? The exact measurement of the distance between the firing pins determines that. Can you give us that measurement?

I don't remember how I came up with that? Something I came up with when researching the gun on this website but looking through the pictures I cant find what it was. I really am new to these guns. I will measure the distance between firing pin holes when I go over there again.

[Steven Untiet]

After closer look at trigger guard I am with everyone else, It's a dog doing something with something standing in front of him, He may or may not have something in his mouth. That's about all I could come up with with my eyes and readers!

Here is some more pics of the wood.

[Larry Stauch]

Yes, on the gun before the subject gun was made, SN 4559, it is a dog retrieving a bird with the birds flying by in the background. What are the chances of that, consecutive serial number lifters in a post? Sometimes lightning strikes! :cool:
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[Dean Romig]

Thank you Larry. I believe the engraving on both trigger guards are very likely to be the same subject matter. Maybe not exactly, line and scratch for line and scratch, but with the same image in the mind of Mr. Glahn.





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[Russell E. Cleary]

Infinitely interesting, these guns.

[Bill Murphy]

Wow, a setter retrieving a big duck. What a great scene.

[Mike Koneski]

Wow, a setter retrieving a big duck. What a great scene.

Bill, a Setter, just like bacon, makes everything better. Saying for a friend.

[Dean Romig]

I’m probably that friend!!!





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[Chuck Bishop]

Steven please check and reply to the e-mails I sent you.