Nobelsport 209 primers in 10,000 count boxes

[Frank Srebro]

Just recently Nobelsport 209 primers were attractively priced in 10,000 count boxes at about $450. plus sales tax here in PA ..... much less expensive alternate to Cheddites and other 209 primers. Here's some info for those who’ve started using them.

The Nobelsport (NS) 10,000 count box contains (ten) trays of 1000 primers each and of course a 1000 count tray can’t be loaded into a MEC or similar primer feeder that’s designed for the regular 10 x 10 (100) count primer trays we’re all familiar with.

Just to show what can be done, I’m posting a collage of pics showing a small magnetic tool that’s made from a thin sheet of paneling attached to a handle (epoxied) and with a facing of 30 mil magnetic sheet from Amazon that’s also been epoxied to the opposite side of the paneling piece. The face of the tool is sized to exactly cover 10 by 10 (100) primers and it’s used to transfer 100 primers from the 1000 count tray to the empty 100 count trays we’re all familiar with.

In use the tool is slid sideways over the tray of 1000 NS primers, the tool is then lifted along with the 100 primers that are attracted to the magnet, and then it’s placed over an empty 100 count tray that has the same spacing as the Nobelsports. The primers align and fit into the empty holes and then the tool is slid sideways to release the primers. Fiocchi and Remington 100 count trays have the same spacing as the Nobelsports, but Cheddite trays have a wider spacing and won’t work. I've never used Winchester or Federal 209 primers and don't have any 100 count trays to try, thus I don’t know if they would work. Not to worry, some of my friends have used a band saw to cut empty Nobelsport 1000 count trays into pieces that hold 10 x 10 (100) primers.

All of this is a little hard to describe but if you look at the pics it should make sense. The last two pics show a diameter comparison of Nobelsport and Cheddite primers.

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[Bill Murphy]

Thanks, Frank, that is one slick tool.

[CraigThompson]

When I was at Shyda’s last summer I considered buying a 10,000 box of Noblesports until I saw they were packaged as you stated . Frank a couple folks down here claim they see no difference between the Cheedarcheeserites and the Noblesports as far as performance and fit are concerned , has that been your finding as well ?

[edgarspencer]

I haven't heard anyone reporting good things about these primers. I have heard several complaints of misfires.

[Daryl Corona]

I've been using NS primers for about 8 months now and found them equal in performance to the Cheddites. Haven't had one pierced primer yet.

[keavin nelson]

A bit of genius there Frank, thanks for sharing. Where can one find the magnetic sheet stock?

[Frank Srebro]

Four of my regular shooting buds have been using the bulk Nobelsports for several months now, that's >12,000 primers loaded and fired and without a single misfire, hang fire or pierced primer reported. That's in a variety of modern and vintage shotguns to include Krieghoffs, Perazzis, Winchester 101's and Model 12's, 870's, Beretta o/u and gas guns, and a Winchester Model 24. Based on the strength of their recommendations I bought a 10,000 count box of Nobelsports myself and have now loaded and fired 800 of them in several Foxes, Parkers and a Model 12 = no problems and to include easy opening of the double-guns. As many know, A H Fox guns can be primer finicky.

Here you go Keavin (on Amazon):

Bandle B Magnetic Sheets for Crafts 8.5" x 11". Pack of 2. Flexible Non Adhesive Magnetic Sheet for Metal Cutting Die Storage. Easy to Organize and Cut for Arts & Crafts or Scrapbooking. Thickness 30 mil. $7.95 and free shipping on Prime.

I made up (4) of these pickup tools and still have one uncut sheet, and will gladly mail a small piece, enough for 1 pickup tool, gratis to the first 4 friends who I know from SxS shooting and will PM their address to me.

[Bill Jolliff]

Frank,

Thanks for the great pictures and the "How To" repackage those bulk NS primers. Pretty neat. And not surprised with all the detail included as typical Srebro style. :):):)

I was given a 100 pack of the NS to try in my previously Cheddite primed Remington hulls in my Fox. They worked fine.

I heard of another method to repack those 1000 NS primers in empty 10 x 10 = 100 primer trays.

Put an empty primer tray in a plastic bag with the holes up. Throw in several 100 loose NS primers in the bag and shake. Most of the empty holes in the primer tray will be filled with primers. Remaining holes can easily be filled manually.

I haven't tried it so I can't vouch for how well it works. If anyone has tried this, it would be good to get a first hand report.

For what it's worth?

[Mike Koneski]

Edgar, I've had Nobel, Fiocchi, Winchester, Federal, CCI and Cheddite primers in bulk for years. I have not had any issues using any of those primers in my reloads. The only time I've had misfires were from factory Fiocchi shells in 28 and a few in .410. Occasionally I'd have a .410 not go bang. I would have some of the 28g not go bang and have a dimpled primer. Drop them in again and they discharge properly. If they were from reloads I'd think maybe I didn't seat them enough and the firing pin strike seated them all the way, but these were factory.

[Ken Burgess]

I had several pierced primers with Cheddites years ago when they came on the market. Maybe they've improved but I'll not use them on my guns.

[Stan Hillis]

:bowdown: Just ingenious.

Necessity is truly the mother of invention.

[Frank Srebro]

I had several pierced primers with Cheddites years ago when they came on the market. Maybe they've improved but I'll not use them on my guns.

I've occasionally seen pierced Cheddites in Model 12 Winchester pump guns and A H Fox double-guns, both with overly generous firing pin/hammer tip protrusion. Easily solved by measuring protrusion and modifying to shorten.

[CraigThompson]

I've occasionally seen pierced Cheddites in Model 12 Winchester pump guns and A H Fox double-guns, both with overly generous firing pin/hammer tip protrusion. Easily solved by measuring protrusion and modifying to shorten.

I’ve pierced STS , WIN , FED and Cheddarites with Parker hammer guns in 8 , 10 12 and 16 gauges . But to the best of my knowledge I’ve never pierced one with a hammerless gun .

[Anthony Empting]

I have gone through about 5K of these and I have 15K more. I think they work great. Your invention is nice but I just dump 1000 or 2000 in a bin and submerse a 100 card in there and move it around a bit and that works too. They're a bit bigger than American primers but thats all I have now so I just commit to the bigger size. Works great with 20/28 gauge and everything I have tried. No misfires yet. I live in warm weather.

[Frank Srebro]

I wouldn't dump a large quantity of ANY 209 primer into a bag or bin and try to fill a 10 x 10 tray by putting the empty tray inside and hand moving the primers or shaking the container. Primers are separated in the commercial tray for a reason and the open (anvil) end is separated from the adjacent primer by a plastic barrier. I'm thinking a sympathetic detonation of all the bulk primers in a bag or container is possible - remote possibility as that may be - by static electricity, a loose anvil, primer mix that wasn't properly loaded, or whatever. :eek:

[Anthony Empting]

Lets think about this for a minute. When you load a MEC for instance, the primer tray drops a primer like 8 inches down a tube and it drops and lands under its own weight. It also takes a hammer strike to make it go off in a shotgun. The most sensitive part of reloading is pressing the primer in a shell, albeit its only one at a time. Putting a card in a bin and my hand putting primers in the holes isn't going to set it off. The box that the primers came in had like 60 of them all loose clacking about in shipping. I live in Hawaii, Static doesn't live here, but your mileage may vary upon location. Like I said your invention is nice and its definitely more organized, I just do it another way.

[Frank Srebro]

Just a heads up that Nobelsport 209 primers in 10,000 count boxes are back in stock at CAC Associates here in PA. $480. per box plus tax. One of my friends stopped by yesterday and got primers, powder and other goodies for our shooting gang. :)

[Daryl Corona]

Went this past Weds to Richland Shooters Supply and scored the NS primers at $47/1000, 10 bags of the Heper shot which is the best shot I have ever used, an 8lb 20/28, 8lb Tightwad and 8lb of Clays believe it or not. Should carry me through until spring.

[Craig Larter]

8lbs of Clays, did they have any more?? I would give my first born for 8lbs of clays.

[Daryl Corona]

8lbs of Clays, did they have any more?? I would give my first born for 8lbs of clays.

Calm down buddy. No, they didn't have any more and no need to give up any kids but I know where there is another 8lb of Clays. Give me a few days to work on it. No promises but this guy knows what he has and he really doesn't load much anymore.

[Mike Koneski]

Stock up while it’s available. Word is sometime in January the component and ammo prices will be going up dramatically due to sending ammo to both Ukraine and Middle East. You think it’s been expensive since the plandemic, buckle up.

[Ken Burgess]

The pierced primers I had in the past have only been with cheddites I saw no reason to modify the firing pins. That was when they first came on the market maybe there better now, however, I'll not use them unless I have no choice.

[Kevin McCormack]

Stock up while it’s available. Word is sometime in January the component and ammo prices will be going up dramatically due to sending ammo to both Ukraine and Middle East. You think it’s been expensive since the plandemic, buckle up.

As they say in Pennsylvania Dutch country, "Mikey hat recht!". Very good local info around here (MD/VA) says the same thing since c. 1 December.

[Stan Hoover]

Went this past Weds to Richland Shooters Supply and scored the NS primers at $47/1000, 10 bags of the Heper shot which is the best shot I have ever used, an 8lb 20/28, 8lb Tightwad and 8lb of Clays believe it or not. Should carry me through until spring.

Hey now there,

You can’t be coming to Pa and buying all our reloading stock up, I thought Jim would screen his customers a little closer :nono:

[CraigThompson]

8lbs of Clays, did they have any more?? I would give my first born for 8lbs of clays.

Yes sir that’s the number one go to powder for 8 gauge 1 1/2 ounce loads !

[Daryl Corona]

Hey now there,

You can’t be coming to Pa and buying all our reloading stock up, I thought Jim would screen his customers a little closer :nono:

Cash money always welcome at Richland.:)

[Frank Srebro]

Just an update after reloading with Nobelsports for a while now. They do work well, no different than any of the other familiar brands and much less expensive. Just one issue: I'll usually reload my preferred 12 ga Remington Gun Clubs with Cheddite primers, four times, then switch to Fiocchi primers for the last three reloads before shooting in a Model 12 and shucking the spent shells to the ground. I'd started to run out of my Fiocchi primers and began using the NS primers for the fifth reload. The NS primers are a very tight fit into Gun Club hulls (steel bases) even after having been reloaded 4x with Cheddites. My MEC 9000 Progressive will strain and loudly “click” as it overcomes the interference-fit and pushes the NS primer into the primer pocket. On the other hand, NS primers will seat normally into Rem STS and Winchester AA hulls with their softer brass bases, no heavy pushing and no clicking on the 9000.

Then when reloading the Gun Clubs with NS primers for the sixth and seventh (last) time the primer seats with normal pressure because the primer pockets have expanded ever so sightly.

Here's my current procedure for that fifth reload: I’ll deprime and reprime with Nobelsports using my heavy-duty Texan M-11 press, then transfer the primed hulls to station #2 on the MEC 9000 and finish loading as normal with it. A little extra time involved but I'm not taxing the 9000.

I don't reload anything but Gun Clubs, STS, Nitros and AA red and gray hulls and thus I don't know about how the Nobelsports seat when reloading any others.

[Milt Fitterman]

The last time we had a shortage, maybe it was under Obama, I could not get Winchester primers so upon a recommendation from my friend Bob, I bought 5,000 NS primers but they came in the normal 100 count trays. Maybe one or two were missing the little covers on the non strike side in each tray of 100. Bob said that made no difference when shooting so I began loading. They were a bit large so I set aside a bunch of gun clubs to load only the NS primers. It was a bit of a struggle to load initially on my MEC 9000. At the time, there were no published loads out there but the word was they were the same as Win209's. I used all 5000 of them with no problem and no pierced primers. I threw out the hulls when I was done. There is certainly no shortage of Rem Gun Club hulls. Also, if you are loading low pressure, a small tick up or down in pressure should make no difference in safety for your old guns.

[Daniel Carter]

I had the fit problem with Cheddite in Gun Clubs once fired. My 9000 would struggle to seat them and a few would not seat and jam the table from rotating. A friend suggested using a drill bit one size smaller than 1/4 inch in a hand chuck such as used with a tap. One turn and a small piece of green plastic is cut out and the primer goes in easily. Only have to do it first loading.

[Daryl Corona]

I have been using the NS primers for over a year and found not one problem with them. I load Gun Clubs and the other Remington hulls like them in 12, 20 ga AACF and various hulls in 28. My MEC 9000 hydraulic doesn't even flinch when they are seated. I wish Remington would use that plastic that they use in their 12 ga hulls in their 28 ga.