2023 Vintage Gunners Cup Info

[MattHaney]

I know everyone here is already aware with the Annual Meeting taking place in conjunction, but I wanted to post the latest info. The 25th Annual Vintage Gunners Cup, will be held September 7-9, 2023, at Warrington Sporting Clays in Wellsville, PA.

There are numerous area attractions for an extended trip or for non-shooting spouses/family members: National Civil War Museum, Gettysburg, Hershey Chocolate World and Park, Hershey Shopping Outlets, the capitol city of Harrisburg, Carlisle, Army Historical Education Center, Fly Fishing on the famous Yellow Breeches, The Appalachian Hiking Trail, Waggoner’s Gap Hawk Watch, Pinchot and Pine Grove Furnace State Parks, wineries, cider houses, golf courses, orchards, and much more!

The format will be similar to past Vintage Gunners Cups with shotgun side events on Thursday and Friday, and the main event on Saturday. Side events (hammerless and hammergun) will be held in all gauges from 10 through .410. In addition, other special events will include American Classics competitions, women's competitions, an 8-gauge challenge, the John Dickson & Son Round Action challenge and various side-games. There will be trappers on all stations this year.

For complete info, including pre-registration form and information on area accommodations, restaurants and attractions, visit the Vintage Gunners website at: https://vintagers.org/vintage-gunners-cup. Just scroll down to find the forms and vendor list and other information.

We'll have more updates on the Vintage Gunner website as the date approaches.

Here is the list of confirmed vendors and exhibitors as it stands now. We expect to add a few more.

Vintage Doubles
Robin Hollow Outfitters
Steve Barnett Fine Guns
Westley Richards
John Dickson and Son
Best Wingshooting
Geoffroy Gournet - Master Engraver
John Liberati Books
Hound and Hare
Stephen Cobb Quality Guns
Poulin Antiques & Auctions, Inc.
Morphy Auctions
Country Pursuits and Outfitters
Ermilio Clothiers
Woodcock Hill, Inc.
Thomas Bland & Sons Gunmakers Ltd.
Macnab Fine Shotguns & Accessories
John Allgood Sporting Arms
Dubarry of Ireland
A.H. Fox Collectors Association
L.C. Smith Collectors Association
Parker Gun Collectors Association
Lefever Arms Collectors Association
German Gun Collectors Association
American Custom Gunmakers Guild
Chris Batha
The Leatherman Traditional Leather Goods, Inc.
Heritage Guns
Feathers Fly
Leather Link Studio
Ruffed Grouse Society | American Woodcock Society
Delaney & Sons

Look forward to seeing many of the Parker collectors there. It's going to be a great event and lots of fun!

-----Matt

[Bob Decker]

Is there any information to rent a cart?

[CraigThompson]

Is there any information to rent a cart?

Last time I was at Warrington they had about half a dozen carts so certainly not enough . But I asked Ray Macnaughton a few weeks ago and he seemed to think it was being worked on as far as a rental service was concered .

If I were inly carrying a gun I'd say a cart isn't needed at Warrington , however it's all that other crap I tend to carry around the course that I don't wanna be carrying myself .

[Daryl Corona]

There will be golf carts for rent but a push cart is more than enough on this course. There are over a dozen push carts for use, first come/first served, and must be returned every night to the storage shed. I'll check this week to see how they will be handling these carts.

[MattHaney]

There will be carts for rent; we are finalizing the cost with the vendor. Stay tuned!----Matt

[CraigThompson]

There will be golf carts for rent but a push cart is more than enough on this course. There are over a dozen push carts for use, first come/first served, and must be returned every night to the storage shed. I'll check this week to see how they will be handling these carts.

Motorized is the only way to go :rotf:

[Chuck Bishop]

There are going to be traffic jams on the narrow paths to and from stations! Best to use a push cart if possible.

[Dean Romig]

...said the guy with two good knees and hips... :whistle:





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[CraigThompson]

There are going to be traffic jams on the narrow paths to and from stations! Best to use a push cart if possible.

And so it shall be ! Traffic jams in abundance :whistle:

[Chuck Bishop]

Not me Dean. I rent a cart whenever I can. I have trouble walking too!

[Mike Koneski]

...said the guy with two good knees and hips... :whistle:





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I think you have Chuck confused with a younger man!! :rotf::rotf:

[Dean Romig]

I was horrified to see that the 2-person golf carts are available at $100/day or $300 for the whole 3-day event…

IMO that’s OUTRAGEOUS❗️❗️





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[Stan Hoover]

Dean,
I would agree that those prices seem high.

I will say if there is a course where you do not need a cart, this would be the one. The paths on their regular course are not big and will be much easier to navigate with a push cart.
Unless they widen the paths some, there are quite a few areas where 2 carts will not be able to pass.
The good thing is, the course is flat, no hills!

[CraigThompson]

Dean,
I would agree that those prices seem high.

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I think $100 a day is kinda stout for a four person cart much less a two person cart :whistle:

[Dean Romig]

Maybe they’re trying to discourage golf cart use by charging these exorbitant prices.





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[Randy G Roberts]

I do not like that pricing either but unfortunately I feel the need to rent a cart
with multiple trips to the truck for different shooting events to swap guns, get bullets etc. And then there's the tent display which makes for trips to the parking area at least 2X per day, at least.

How far is the parking lot from the actual shooting? If it is directly adjacent I might reconsider, maybe? As said before I do not like the pricing but I might dislike the alternative of no cart even less. Educate me about this venue :corn:

[CraigThompson]

I do not like that pricing either but unfortunately I feel the need to rent a cart
with multiple trips to the truck for different shooting events to swap guns, get bullets etc. And then there's the tent display which makes for trips to the parking area at least 2X per day, at least.

How far is the parking lot from the actual shooting? If it is directly adjacent I might reconsider, maybe? As said before I do not like the pricing but I might dislike the alternative of no cart even less. Educate me about this venue :corn:

It’s flat and it’s tight they make the most out of what real estate they have . Cart paths are literally that a cart path . If My memory serves it might be 100-200 yards from the clubhouse to the course . Now where the tent will be I do not know . I’ve only been to this place once and I liked it but as I always make it very clear I like it better with a cart and the one time I shot there I had a cart .

[CraigThompson]

Maybe they’re trying to discourage golf cart use by charging these exorbitant prices.
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I have no doubt that plays into it . I also think the folks putting this thing together are most likely taking a cut from cart rentals .

[Randy G Roberts]

It’s flat and it’s tight they make the most out of what real estate they have . Cart paths are literally that a cart path . If My memory serves it might be 100-200 yards from the clubhouse to the course . Now where the tent will be I do not know . I’ve only been to this place once and I liked it but as I always make it very clear I like it better with a cart and the one time I shot there I had a cart .

Just looked at it on Google Earth and the parking lot is extremely small which leads me to believe a good deal of the parking will be in adjacent fields. Location will be based upon time of arrival I would assume. I'm with Craig on this one, a cart it is.

If they put the vendor tents in the parking area we may all be in the field. We will find out in time I suppose...

[Reggie Bishop]

Men shooting high priced classic shotguns gnashing their teeth over cart rental fees. I love it! :duck:

[Randy G Roberts]

Men shooting high priced classic shotguns gnashing their teeth over cart rental fees. I love it! :duck:

Good point Reggie. :rotf:

[Bill Murphy]

Is there a website with a diagram of the grounds and facilities?

[Randy G Roberts]

Is there a website with a diagram of the grounds and facilities?

Google Earth will work.

[Mike Koneski]

Men shooting high priced classic shotguns gnashing their teeth over cart rental fees. I love it! :duck:

No different than NSCA shooters wanting everything for free, shooting $20,000 O/Us, driving $80K trucks pulling a trailer holding a $30,000 tricked out UTV that seats 4 and they bitch about $1/target. That's why we no longer throw registered birds.

[Stan Hoover]

No different than NSCA shooters wanting everything for free, shooting $20,000 O/Us, driving $80K trucks pulling a trailer holding a $30,000 tricked out UTV that seats 4 and they bitch about $1/target. That's why we no longer throw registered birds.

You mean like such:)? You may have to work on those paths for my new toy:rolleyes:

[Randy G Roberts]

You mean like such:)? You may have to work on those paths for my new toy:rolleyes:

Cancelled my cart Stan. I'm ridin with you and the boys. I'm good for gas money 🤑

[Bill Murphy]

Stan, tell us a bit about your new toy.

[CraigThompson]

You mean like such:)? You may have to work on those paths for my new toy:rolleyes:

Stan you da Man ! I’m sure that thing cost as much if not more than my pickup :whistle:

[Mike Koneski]

You mean like such:)? You may have to work on those paths for my new toy:rolleyes:

Paths? Paths? You don't need no steeenking paths!! :rotf::rotf:

[Mike Koneski]

Stan, I know you have enough truck to haul that beast up here. :bowdown:

[Stan Hoover]

Stan, tell us a bit about your new toy.

Sorry Murphy,

I just seen the beast over the weekend and I was trying to rattle big Mike’s chain a little :cool:
Unbelievable what some people spend on these UTV’s, I was trying to figure out what the cost might be on one of these, it’s way more than Mr Hoover wants to spend :whistle:
AC so you can stay cool while waiting to shoot, all kinds of bells and whistles. A tractor is on the list before such a beast

[CraigThompson]

Sorry Murphy,

I just seen the beast over the weekend and I was trying to rattle big Mike’s chain a little :cool:
Unbelievable what some people spend on these UTV’s, I was trying to figure out what the cost might be on one of these, it’s way more than Mr Hoover wants to spend :whistle:
AC so you can stay cool while waiting to shoot, all kinds of bells and whistles. A tractor is on the list before such a beast

I dare say new set up like that one with heat and air it would knock the heck out of 36k in todays market .

[Mike Koneski]

I agree with Craig.

[CraigThompson]

Just think 75k pickup , 10k Featherlite trailer and a 36k UTV just for shooting makes quite the 120k caravan :whistle:

[Garry L Gordon]

Just think 75k pickup , 10k Featherlite trailer and a 36k UTV just for shooting makes quite the 120k caravan :whistle:

Would that buy that special Parker set you often drool over opine about?:)

[CraigThompson]

Would that buy that special Parker set you often drool over opine about?:)

I doubt it I think it’s at about 250k :whistle:

[Garry L Gordon]

I doubt it I think it’s at about 250k :whistle:

:shock::shock::shock:

[Bill Murphy]

The estimated $120K investment in the vehicles in question is nothing compared to the investment in Parkers for some of our members.

[Stan Hoover]

Bill,

do those members you referrence post pistures of their fine Parkers??

Asking for a friend:cool:

[Dean Romig]

Bill,

do those members you referrence post pistures of their fine Parkers??

Asking for a friend:cool:


Occasionally Stan... but I'm certainly not one of them.





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[Bill Murphy]

:):):)

[Mike Koneski]

:)Bill,

do those members you referrence post pistures of their fine Parkers??

Asking for a friend:cool:

Ahhh, you are learning well Grasshopper!! :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[MattHaney]

Additional Vendors for your enjoyment:

Braeval Sporting Apparel
Connecticut Shotgun Mfg.
Henry's Fine Guns
Shenk Shotshell Co.
South Pioneers

[Randy G Roberts]

Registration form attached for your viewing pleasure. If you are attending I would suggest that you complete the form and sign up for a few events just to get your name in the proverbial hat and get your registration complete which I would think/hope will save you some time vs completing it at the venue. You can always add events there. Golf carts can be reserved as well, top of the 2nd page. Complete the form and email it to Warrington Sporting Clays through their website and you're set. I was told that you do NOT have to send payment in now, you can pay at the venue.

[Mike Koneski]

It is always good to preregister for any shoot. It gets you into the syatem and also helps give the host range an estimate of help they need for the event, especially a multi-day event like the VGC. Events can always be added/changed/etc, but being entered into the scoring program is a time and labor saver.

[Chuck Bishop]

The PGCA will have a golf cart available all 3 days. The cart is to be used for transportation from and to the parking lot, vendor tents, and club house. It is not to be used on the course. Use the cart to do what you need to do and immediately bring it back to the tent.

[CraigThompson]

The PGCA will have a golf cart available all 3 days. The cart is to be used for transportation from and to the parking lot, vendor tents, and club house. It is not to be used on the course. Use the cart to do what you need to do and immediately bring it back to the tent.

Are we going to see your smiling face at Warrington ?

[Chuck Bishop]

I don't know about the smiling part but I sure hope to be there!

[CraigThompson]

I just recieved this ,
Here are some clarifying points about the Vintage Gunners Cup to share with your members. Please take this opportunity to reach out to your memberships to engage them directly about the VGC.

First some housekeeping from Matt: Please send your membership list to Matt ASAP. We need a list of paid members (we just need names) so we can make sure everyone who comes gets a pin and gets the member rate for the cocktail party. Also, please send your chapter updates with events and happenings and pictures to him so he can add them to the upcoming newsletter.

Ammo: There will be a vendor selling low pressure 2.5 inch shells for 12 gauge. We may have an opportunity to buy 16, 20 and 28 gauge shells from Gamebore and have cases available at the show. Use this link for more info: https://madmimi.com/p/c03ee61

Registration Form: CLICK HERE for the registration form.

Golf Carts: We have 50 two person carts available for reservation. To reserve your cart, you must fill out the registration form and send a $300 check made out to Warrington Sporting Clays to Warrington. Registration form can be found here. Gun push carts will be available at a first come first serve basis for free.

Chapter Row: There is a nice large grassy area between the clubhouse and the exhibition tent that we are encouraging chapters to put up a pop up tent or two with their club sign so that members can gather. Coolers welcome! BYOC (bring your own chair)

Food: Food trucks (burgers, bbq, crab cakes, mexican) will be available during the show. Breakfast and coffee will be available every morning. Click here to get an idea of places to eat nearby

Thursday and Friday Shooting: The course is very walkable with no hills and plenty of shade. On Thursday and Friday, the goal is to have 3 courses (small, medium, large bore courses - 8 stations on each course) available.

Saturday Shooting: Saturday will be the day for the Main Event (13 stations). The Main Event will have start times at 9:00am, 11:00am, and 1:00pm. You will need to sign up ahead of time. There will be an 8 station course available on Saturday for any gauge to shoot.

25th Anniversary Pins: Make sure to visit Joe Norcom at the Vintage Welcome Table at the event to receive your 25th Anniversary pin!

New accommodation offering: If you want to turn this event into a nice vacation, feel free to grab a room at the local Allenberry Resort! Click here for more info to book. Book through the link, but drop the name Delaney and Sons to get the better rate.

The Fox International Challenge
1. Challenge will be contested between any American made SxS and any European made SxS.
2. Qualification rounds will be shot on the 5-stand all day on Thurs 9/07, Fri 9/08 and Sat 9/09 with all scorecards submitted by 12 noon on Sat 9/09. No exceptions.
3. Scorecards must be marked with the manufacturer
Daryl Corona is the lead on this: dcorona28@gmail.com
We'll post the full rules on the Vintage Gunners Website.

We look forward to seeing you all in September! --- Liz

[MattHaney]

Some of the the above pertains to paid Vintage Gunners members and some of the links are broken. But, you can find most of what you need with these two links:

https://vintagers.org/vintage-gunners-cup

https://www.vintagegunnerscup.com/

Also, Morphy Auctions will be offering free professional photography for your guns (up to 3 I believe). You can sign up for a time slot here: https://www.timetosignup.com/delaneyandsons/sheet/1347001/

Hope to see many of you there. ----Matt

[Stan Hoover]

Great job Daryl,

Like your new idea here with the different twists and turns added:cool:

[Randy G Roberts]

Nice Daryl, looking forward to it. Thanks for your efforts !!

[Mike Koneski]

"The Fox International Challenge
1. Challenge will be contested between any American made SxS and any European made SxS.
2. Qualification rounds will be shot on the 5-stand all day on Thurs 9/07, Fri 9/08 and Sat 9/09 with all scorecards submitted by 12 noon on Sat 9/09. No exceptions.
3. Scorecards must be marked with the manufacturer
Daryl Corona is the lead on this: dcorona28@gmail.com
We'll post the full rules on the Vintage Gunners Website."

Come on guys, show those Eurotrash shooters who's boss!!!

[Frank Srebro]

Question to Matt: will there be a PA FFL Dealer on site at Warrington to do legal Form 4473 gun transfers? Same set up as when the VGC was at Hausmann's?

[MattHaney]

Good morning, Frank! There will be a PA FFL on site to handle transfers.----Matt

[Mike Koneski]

The “NEPA PARKER CARTEL” is able to be there!! We’ll roll in Thursday night and be ready to grind ‘em up all day Friday! Hawaiian shirts and hats are the dress code for the day!! We’ll have to jam some Jimmy Buffet too. “Grapefruit Juicyfruit” and “Livingston Saturday Night” will be the soundtrack playing in my head. Might even belt out a few lines to share the good times. Just sayin’.

[CraigThompson]

The “NEPA PARKER CARTEL” is able to be there!! We’ll roll in Thursday night and be ready to grind ‘em up all day Friday! Hawaiian shirts and hats are the dress code for the day!! We’ll have to jam some Jimmy Buffet too. “Grapefruit Juicyfruit” and “Livingston Saturday Night” will be the soundtrack playing in my head. Might even belt out a few lines to share the good times. Just sayin’.

Some how I envision you more doing “Cheeseburger in Paradise” :rotf::rotf::bigbye:

[Mike Koneski]

Some how I envision you more doing “Cheeseburger in Paradise” :rotf::rotf::bigbye:

How about “Pencil Thin Mustache”? “Volcano”? “Bob Roberts Society Band”? “Fins”? “The Weather Is Here, I Wish You Were Beautiful”?

[CraigThompson]

How about “Pencil Thin Mustache”? “Volcano”? “Bob Roberts Society Band”? “Fins”? “The Weather Is Here, I Wish You Were Beautiful”?

Let’s not forget the all time Buffett drinking song “Let’s get drunk and screw!” :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[Mike Koneski]

Let’s not forget the all time Buffett drinking song “Let’s get drunk and screw!” :rotf::rotf::rotf:

“I really do appreciate the fact you’re sitting here. Your voice sounds so wonderful but your face don’t look too clear…..”:rotf:

[Dan Steingraber]

Let’s not forget the all time Buffett drinking song “Let’s get drunk and screw!” :rotf::rotf::rotf:

My wife and I renewed our wedding vows for our 25th anniversary and we wrote our own vows. I used the line "why don't we get drunk and screw" in my vows. I did ask for the priest's permission before the ceremony and he gave me the okay. He also laughed out loud when he heard it in the context of my vows. :whistle::rotf: