View Full Version : Loooong Barreled 20 gauge
Bobby Cash
05-25-2023, 10:07 PM
This is as good as it gets for a Winchester.
3' chambers. A Magnum ?
1 of about 130
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Garry L Gordon
05-25-2023, 10:14 PM
26” and 30” is a great two-barrel combo.
Bill Murphy
05-26-2023, 01:56 AM
What a beautiful round frame 21. I recently sold a nearly identical 20 gauge 30", 26" two barrel set to a gentleman who is the president of a historic hunting club, the gun having been ordered by the founder of the club. It was a great gun, but the new owner needs it more than I do. The club is the Jefferson Islands Club, the hunting club of the political elite in Washington. The gun lettered as a Tournament Grade. When he saw the gun and its provenance, he was hooked. I couldn't turn down his offer.
John Dallas
05-26-2023, 08:25 AM
My set is 26"/28". Skeet configuration
Bobby Cash
05-26-2023, 09:49 AM
OMG Mr. Bill!
I was so wrapped up doing my due diligence while vetting this set
that I just noticed it’s a “Flat Side”.
Bill Murphy
05-26-2023, 10:19 AM
Bobby, there are flat side guns that are not round frames, and there are round frames that are not flat side. There are also DELUXE grade guns made on standard frames. The flat side, round frame guns, like the one you pictured, are my favorites.
Joseph Sheerin
05-26-2023, 10:26 AM
Sacrilege to say it, but only shotgun a person would need. :D
What a nice 21.
Bill Murphy
05-26-2023, 01:50 PM
Right, Joe, I don't need any more guns. :rotf::rotf:
Dave Noreen
05-26-2023, 11:58 PM
Three-inch chambers were an available Model 21 option from the beginning. No mention of 3-inch chambers on that page from Cody. Are the 3-inch chambers on the order sheet they say is available?
The Model 21 Magnum 20-gauge wasn't introduced until the January 2,1954, Winchester catalog --
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and the special 20-gauge Magnum page from the big 1955 Winchester catalog.
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The first 20-gauge 3-inch Magnum shells were Western Super-X loaded with Lubaloy shot, 1 1/8 ounce of #6 Lubaloy or 1 3/16 ounce of #4 Lubaloy, which appeared in the December 15, 1954, Western Cartridge Co. price list.
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In 1960, the big four all added chilled shot 1 1/4 ounce 20-gauge, 3-inch, magnum loads to their offerings --
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Bobby Cash
05-27-2023, 02:25 AM
Good evening Mr. N
Both 26 and 30 inch barrels are stamped 3”.
I was surprised to see it on the 26 inchers.
John Dallas
05-27-2023, 09:34 AM
As I have posted before, my 20 gauge two barrel set is described as a "Skeet" gun in the Cody letter, but is not marked on the floor plate. Both sets of barrels are chambered for 3" shells, - 26" IC/MOD AND 30 " MOD/FULL
Bill Murphy
05-27-2023, 10:21 AM
Usually, you will find the grade, Field, Skeet, Deluxe, etc. in a line that says Skeet finish, Deluxe finish or some such. The finish does not always correspond to the actual grade of the gun.
Dave Noreen
05-27-2023, 01:14 PM
It says "Deluxe Field finish" on the sheet from Cody. Is the gun marked DELUXE on the trigger plate?
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Another general Model 21 question. When they added the 3-inch 20-gauge to the Model 21 Duck Gun listing in the January 2, 1954, Winchester catalog, they changed the name in the catalogs to Model 21 Magnum Gun. Have any guns marked MAGNUM on the trigger plate been observed?
Bobby Cash
05-28-2023, 09:14 AM
https://i.imgur.com/4gnX0an.png
According to Schwing, the Deluxe Field was first offered in 1942 and last offered in 1950.
14625 was completed and inspected by January of 1950.
Similar to the Dallas Skeet Grade 2 barrel set, no grade stamping.
What was the purpose of not stamping the floor plate?
Bill Murphy
05-28-2023, 06:11 PM
I don't think anyone knows the answer to that one. However, I don't think it's the customer. I've never seen an order that specified "No grade stamp".
Dave Noreen
05-28-2023, 06:49 PM
In my skeptical mind I sometimes wonder if some of those trigger-plate stampings were done at New Haven or New Britain?
Bobby Cash
05-28-2023, 07:47 PM
So Dave,
What do you make of un stamped floor plates but grades being called out in Cody searches.
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