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Paul Ehlers
05-01-2023, 01:22 PM
I watch this YouTube channel on a regular basis & overall like it.

I was pleased at first to see a segment on Parkers hit the channel a few minutes ago. Then after it got to the meat of the action, I was disappointed to see all the misconceptions, misinformation & other out right BS the interviewee's put forth about them. Their obvious anti-Parker bias showed throughout.

I sure wish TGS would have contacted someone in the Parker collectors group to interview who actually knows the guns, its history & appreciates them for what they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mHcUca99Yk

CraigThompson
05-01-2023, 03:56 PM
WTF does the Brit mean by Parker being a good guy because he made guns for the army of Northern Aggression ? Not saying he wasn’t a good guy , but the limey is implying he isn’t a good guy if he made arms for the Confederacy ???? Quite frankly after the limey made his comment I turned it off .

John Davis
05-01-2023, 06:33 PM
Anglophile.

Kevin McCormack
05-01-2023, 08:53 PM
I much agree with Paul's comments. Dialog and flow smacks mightily of "I knew a guy that knew a guy that owned a Parker...."

Rick Losey
05-01-2023, 09:01 PM
WTF does the Brit mean by Parker being a good guy because he made guns for the army of Northern Aggression ? Not saying he wasn’t a good guy , but the limey is implying he isn’t a good guy if he made arms for the Confederacy ???? Quite frankly after the limey made his comment I turned it off .

:rolleyes:but the Brits actually made the guns for the Confederacy

CraigThompson
05-01-2023, 10:30 PM
:rolleyes:but the Brits actually made the guns for the Confederacy

A few 1853 Enfields . But his comment about “good guys” I deem VERY inappropriate . Actually 1853 Enfields were sold to the Confederacy and the army of Northern Aggression .

Michael Moffa
05-02-2023, 06:07 PM
What a bunch of wankers. Saw a boatload of nice Parkers this weekend at Deep River. If only they had spoken to Louis Parker about the Parker gun and maybe the book he helped write. As to Pigeon guns, I have a no safety DH that would qualify as it is a gun that has had enough high brass shells through it to deform the breech face metal around the firing pin holes. Babe Sr. said that he had never seen that before. Shoot lights out though.

Joe Graziano
05-02-2023, 11:12 PM
The Orvis guys reminded me why I hate Orvis, corporate jerks who know little. I love the TGS videos but this one is just not up to their usual high standards. Jonny Carter is a good guy and I’ve learned a huge amount about British firearms and shooting scene from watching the videos. He’s also quite popular in the UK. I appreciate what he does and also, that he is taking an interest in American shotguns. That said, he needs to understand his subject far better and not rely on one biased source. Also, as a NJ guy who just moved from Alabama, shut up about the Civil War, unless you want to ignite one.

CraigThompson
05-03-2023, 12:09 AM
Also, as a NJ guy who just moved from Alabama, shut up about the Civil War, unless you want to ignite one.

Joe I’m not sure if that was directed at the Brit or me . However I’m of the opinion the tinders on the fire all it needs is a spark and in the present state of affairs I can’t say I think it a bad thing .

Joe Graziano
05-03-2023, 12:14 AM
Craig, sorry mate. That was most definitely not directed at you. Great seeing you at the Southern!

Bill Murphy
05-03-2023, 07:10 AM
Unbelievable. "Parker never made a pigeon gun." "The Parker single was made as a pigeon gun." "This 16 gauge is an 0 frame." It was obviously a 1 frame. I'll watch it again and pick up more blunders. Or maybe I won't watch it again. Who is that Orvis guy who picked up his information from a 1961 book? Unfortunately, we can't understand a word the Brit says.

























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William Davis
05-03-2023, 07:10 AM
End of the day all UTubers are in the advertising business. Featuring Orvis who markets lifestyle pays. Have never seen real expertise from Orvis shooting or fishing and this video no exception

Other hand it’s been said all publicity is good even bad publicity

Russell E. Cleary
05-03-2023, 07:45 AM
I would say that the host gets a heck of a lot right about Parker guns in a short video. He’s been around a while. But there certainly are jarring discrepancies, some of which he quickly corrects (or someone in the room prompts him to correct). And what makes it so rankling to our ears, is that when he does get it wrong, it was delivered with such a facile assurance.

As for the “one of the good guys” comment. Yup, with the emergence of ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) corporate social credit scoring, we see no less than a fellow shotgunner, in a momentary reflex, like a puppet on a string.

Overall, I still believe, despite the parts that have us cringing, I enjoyed watching it, and consider it is a net plus for the Parker world, the scope of which the video’s sponsor is extending to an international audience.

Dean Romig
05-03-2023, 09:41 AM
IMO 60% of the information purported to be fact is a combination of ill-conceived opinion mixed with non-factual BS.





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randall rosenthal
05-03-2023, 11:53 AM
The Orvis guys reminded me why I hate Orvis, corporate jerks who know little. I love the TGS videos but this one is just not up to their usual high standards. Jonny Carter is a good guy and I’ve learned a huge amount about British firearms and shooting scene from watching the videos. He’s also quite popular in the UK. I appreciate what he does and also, that he is taking an interest in American shotguns. That said, he needs to understand his subject far better and not rely on one biased source. Also, as a NJ guy who just moved from Alabama, shut up about the Civil War, unless you want to ignite one.

I fished offshore in Louisiana for years. the first year i was obligated to refight the civil war. the truth is they care a lot more about it than we do. that said some of my best friends live there. enjoy your new home!

Bill Murphy
05-03-2023, 03:17 PM
OK, under duress, I watched it again. "I don't know who owns the Invincibles or where they ended up." "The single barrel is a pigeon gun." Absolutely no mention of a trap gun. "Parkers all have 2 1/2" chambers, so Orvis had to order in quantities of 2" shells for their customers." We should have a contest.

Dean Romig
05-03-2023, 04:37 PM
Remington ceased production of Parkers in 1939……WRONG !!!

Among the gauges Parkers were made in was the 24 gauge…… WRONG !!!
And there was no mention of the 11 gauge or the 18 gauge.



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Mike Koneski
05-03-2023, 05:09 PM
Funny, my 12g VHE is a live bird gun too. They can keep peddling Eurotrash.

Bill Murphy
05-03-2023, 05:40 PM
Virginia NSSA skeet shooter Bob Hess had a 24 gauge Parker. It got away from him in the early 70's. Someone displayed it at the PGCA meeting and show at Nashville. I have Bob's VHE 20 gauge skeet gun. I tried to buy the last case of Bob's 24 gauge Remington shells, in wooden crate. The fellow who had the shells said he would sell them to me if I owned a 24 gauge gun. We could not strike a deal.

Dean Romig
05-04-2023, 08:33 AM
Bill, I wasn’t aware of a 24 gauge Parker.

I am aware on one 18 gauge having been made on a 16 gauge frame (0-frame) and was used extensively at a Skeet school I believe in Maryland or Delaware (Olin ?).
The gun was offered to me at something like $20k and it came with 1 box of 18 gauge shells made exclusively for this gun. One of the 18 gauge shells was missing and the space in the box was filled with a 20 gauge shell.

I know you know of this Parker Bill.

BTW, I didn’t buy it…





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Jeff Kuss
05-04-2023, 08:46 AM
When they produced the 18 ga shells, they ran out of 18 ga head stamped brass. They finished the run with 20 ga head stamped brass.

charlie cleveland
05-04-2023, 10:10 AM
I have one of those 18 ga shells and seen I more on auction site a few years back...charlie

Dean Romig
05-04-2023, 12:50 PM
Charlie, who makes the 18 gauge shell you have?





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charlie cleveland
05-05-2023, 08:32 AM
Remington was the maker dean....and is marked 18 gauge....charlie

Dean Romig
05-05-2023, 08:42 AM
Remington was the maker dean....and is marked 18 gauge....charlie

It may have been from an original production run for the 18 gauge DHE that was offered to me.





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charlie cleveland
05-05-2023, 07:27 PM
it could have been dean....I could have bought a good off brand gun for what I give for that shell...charlie

Bill Murphy
06-27-2023, 08:46 AM
Bob Hess's 24 gauge was mentioned in Peter Johnson's book. Peter misspelled Bob's last name, but somehow, he knew about the gun. The gun was displayed at the Nashville show.

todd allen
06-27-2023, 09:49 AM
I have to say that overall, I liked the video, and I thought Jonny was pretty good in his part.
Sure, they got a lot of details wrong, but what would you expect.
Imagine a Brit who grew up with Jags and Land Rovers discussing classic Packards, or Desotos with a group of used car salesmen. They will get some details wrong.

Alfred Houde
06-27-2023, 10:49 AM
I shake my head at most YouTube videos. However, I do enjoy Dave Carrie Shooting, Art's Gun Shop, and Big Woods Bucks.

Oh, and Misty Morning Cabin's live feed.

Phil Yearout
06-27-2023, 11:23 AM
I started watching but about half way through the feed changed to an article about foot fungus. Gave up after that.

Andrew Sacco
06-30-2023, 02:18 PM
TGS makes some quite good videos with good content. Overall I found some inaccuracies as mentioned, but more good than bad. The exposure is good for the brand and it's produced well. There are too many videos out there without a lapel microphone and you can't hear anything, the camerawork stinks..etc. The "expert" Greg, I can attest firsthand, is not an expert and I'm a fledgling at this endeavor. I had to call him a few years back to question a VH he had for sale and his claims. To his credit he changed the ad, but it was all wrong. He has similar foibles with Browning and Ithacas and other makers, but we all make mistakes. Greg is a nice guy and has always answered any email and always called me back, so I won't crucify him for getting a few things wrong. Johnny is an OK chap, but he's a chap. Enough said on that.