Powder

[Sammie White]

Help me save money,looking for one powder to load 12 ga 11/8 oz loads,and 20ga 1oz loads. All suggestions appreciated

[CraigThompson]

Universal Clays , Unique

[scott kittredge]

longshot is another one

[Mike Koneski]

Good luck finding Universal. If you do, buy an extra 8 lb jug and call me!!

[Andrew Sacco]

Longshot is readily available

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Agree with Andy, Longshot seems to be the easiest to find. Haven't seen any Unique lately except at gun shows where they were asking $55/lb--I'll pass on that. I do have an unopened 4 lber of Universal---may be I should put it up for auction .

[CraigThompson]

The way things are at the present with available components a person needs to try and be flexible . By that I mean have a list of powder’s that’ll work in your applications . I’ve followed that rule ever since the Obamite was the so called person in charge . I’ve also followed the rule of anything I think will work that I can pick up at a reasonable price I do so .

[Andrew Sacco]

I have a lot of 572 coming. I hope that works for something. I do have a 2 3/4" load in 28g for it using AAHS hulls but nothing else I've looked at. Anyone have anything that would work in any 2.5" Cheddite hull please chime in.

[allen newell]

20/28 if you can find it

[John Dallas]

700X

[CraigThompson]

I have a lot of 572 coming. I hope that works for something. I do have a 2 3/4" load in 28g for it using AAHS hulls but nothing else I've looked at. Anyone have anything that would work in any 2.5" Cheddite hull please chime in.

Lemme know how that works for ya ! If my plans come to fruition I may have about 16 pounds of 572 that’ll hit the block !

[scott kittredge]

herco is another one

[Bill Murphy]

Herco is way on the slow side for light 12 gauge target loads, but will probably be OK for the 20 except in the dead of winter. Anyone with questions should consult "burning rate charts" for suggestions and information.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

HS-6 can be used in 28 ga, dont know about cheddite hulls. I picked up a couple pounds but havent loaded any yet. Havent looked into it's use in other gauges.

[scott kittredge]

Herco is way on the slow side for light 12 gauge target loads, but will probably be OK for the 20 except in the dead of winter. Anyone with questions should consult "burning rate charts" for suggestions and information.
Win.AA hull. 1.125 oz shot, win209 primer, WAA12 wad,25 grs of herco, 1250 fps at 9500 psi. There are more loads and different components for herco. This one is from there web site.
Scott

[Bill Murphy]

That load is fine if you want to pump up to 1250 fps. Most shooters of clay targets don't want to shoot 1250 fps. At 1 1/8 ounces, 1250 fps is a punishing load, more like a pigeon load. High recoil, more velocity than required.

[scott kittredge]

yes i get that, i wouldnt shoot 1 1/8 oz 12 ga or 1 oz 20 ga loads, way too heavy for me. by asking for loads like that i didnt think he was too concerned about FPS. standard trap load is 1140 to 1150 so back off 1 to 2 grs and should fall wright into 1140 or a little less. imho , (test the loads before you shoot them)

[Mike Koneski]

Agree with Andy, Longshot seems to be the easiest to find. Haven't seen any Unique lately except at gun shows where they were asking $55/lb--I'll pass on that. I do have an unopened 4 lber of Universal---may be I should put it up for auction .

I’ve been looking for Universal for a long time. I can find anything else.

[Pete Lester]

I’ve been looking for Universal for a long time. I can find anything else.

I recall reading last year that Hodgdon had announced a three year pause in production of the Clays line of powders, Clays, Universal Clays and International Clays to the dealers of their product. I believe they said it was due to a large government contract for other powders.

Is it true? I'll tell you in three years.

[Frank Srebro]

I recall reading last year that Hodgdon had announced a three year pause in production of the Clays line of powders, Clays, Universal Clays and International Clays to the dealers of their product. I believe they said it was due to a large government contract for other powders.

Is it true? I'll tell you in three years.

Many Hodgdon powders were made by ADI in Australia. Examples: ADI #APS350 = Hodgdon Clays, and ADI #APS450 = Hodgdon International. Here's what ADI announced in December 2021:

"APS Propellants – As we’ve previously informed, we’ve had to make the incredibly difficult decision to pause active development projects and cease production of commercial reloading products under the Australian Pistol & Shotgun (APS) range for the foreseeable future."

[Bill Murphy]

Scott, "standard trap loads" have not been 1240 or 1250 fps at any time I can remember. Most shooters see 1200 as standard and a little less if they are concerned with recoil.

[John Dallas]

Seems to me that trap shooters are more impacted by recoil- look at the recoil reducers, release triggers, etc. which are often seen on the trap line You don't see that very often with skeeters. What's the cause? Stock configuration? Stouter loads?

[CraigThompson]

Seems to me that trap shooters are more impacted by recoil- look at the recoil reducers, release triggers, etc. which are often seen on the trap line You don't see that very often with skeeters. What's the cause? Stock configuration? Stouter loads?

You may be correct . But a lot of skeet shooters don’t even shoot 12 gauge in the all bore event . Back when I was doing it a good many of the big boys shoot a 20 in the all gauge event . When I was doing It I had one reciever stock set-up for skeet and trap . I’d just change the barrels . For me using the same 12 gauge loads for skeet as I used in trap , I noticed the recoil more with the 28” skeet barrel then I did with the 34” unsingle barrel or the 32” doubles barrel . I think that may have been the way I stood in skeet vs trap . But for me using the same 12 loads the recoil was more noticeable with the skeet barrel .

[scott kittredge]

Scott, "standard trap loads" have not been 1240 or 1250 fps at any time I can remember. Most shooters see 1200 as standard and a little less if they are concerned with recoil.

Bill, my mistake, typo i ment 1140 to 1150 not 1240 to 50, thanks for finding my mistake. Yes 1250 would hurt in a 100 bird event.:eek:
Scott

[allen newell]

I bought some Longshot and loaded a few "light" test loads. Still too hot in my 20 ga guns. A magnum powder for sure. Can't use this powder and it will go away this coming weekend at the club.
Much prefer 20/28.

[CraigThompson]

I’m not disagreeing with the less pressure/velocity thing but I damn sure like the heavy RST and RIO 1 1/4 1300-1360 FPS loads . When I shoot those it’ll be 30-60 shots in a day and to me they’re not so bad . But then I don’t think a thirty bird 8 gauge event shooting 1 1/2 ounces is so bad either .

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, there is no recoil in box birds.

[CraigThompson]

Craig, there is no recoil in box birds.

There’s no recoil in anything until the end of the day when you might have a slight headache .

[Bill Murphy]

I know that Craig is shooting those big loads at tower pheasants and box and thrown pigeons. Those are the loads that I would also prefer for those targets. Craig didn't specify his targets, only the number of shells shot in a day. I don't think it was sporting clays.

[CraigThompson]

I know that Craig is shooting those big loads at tower pheasants and box and thrown pigeons. Those are the loads that I would also prefer for those targets. Craig didn't specify his targets, only the number of shells shot in a day. I don't think it was sporting clays.

I don’t shoot pigeon loads at tower shoots . All my pigeon loads are 7 1/2’s I prefer 6’s at tower shoots . I did however shoot pigeon loads at quail boxbirds this past January . I thought boxbird quail were going to be chip shots . Turns out I was quite wrong .

[Bill Murphy]

Yup, Craig. Box quail are hard to hit but not hard to kill.

[allen newell]

Does anyone have a light load recipe using Longshot for 20 ga loads. Like 1150 fps. My shoulder needs a light load.

[scott kittredge]

Does anyone have a light load recipe using Longshot for 20 ga loads. Like 1150 fps. My shoulder needs a light load.

Need to know what hulls,wads,primers you are going to use and are you loading 7/8 or 1 oz loads? Did you check the long shot load data ? I dont think you will find a tested load under 1250 fps but back off a gr or 2 that will get you close. But if you do i would have it tested.