PH 10 ga

[NateHawley]

Got lucky and picked up another Parker the other day with some old Ithacas. Got a good deal on it and couldn't pass it up. Not seeing any issues. The action is tight still. No cracks in the stock. It's not in perfect condition but I've seen worse. Haven't decided if I'm going to keep it yet though. Anything I'm not seeing?

[Brian Dudley]

Looks like an honest unmolested gun. Interesting that it is marked as. PH and not an NH. They did drop the NH nomenclature at a certain point.

[CraigThompson]

Looks like an honest unmolested gun. Interesting that it is marked as. PH and not an NH. They did drop the NH nomenclature at a certain point.

I’ve got a 10 gauge GH if memory serves that was made 1906ish . Think that was about the time they quit using EH and NH .

[Steve Huffman]

I like it alot!

[Chris Robenalt]

Better keep it!

[Mills Morrison]

Turkey season is just around the corner too.

[Mike Koneski]

Turkey season is just around the corner too.

He can practice on chipmunks. If you can center a chippy, you can center a gobbler's head. That's what Sika does, he just adds them to the Brunswick stew.

[CraigThompson]

He can practice on chipmunks. If you can center a chippy, you can center a gobbler's head. That's what Sika does, he just adds them to the Brunswick stew.

Yes sireeey Bob ! Cept it ain’t chipsters I shoots dem der grey tree rats !

[George Lang]

Thats an awful lot of powder and lead to waste when you can do the same with a 22 short.

[CraigThompson]

Thats an awful lot of powder and lead to waste when you can do the same with a 22 short.

True ! But I can so I did .

[Garry L Gordon]

Yes sireeey Bob ! Cept it ain’t chipsters I shoots dem der grey tree rats !

Brunswick (Virginia!!) Stew tonight??

[George Lang]

Craig, I was talking about chipmunks, not squirrels.

[CraigThompson]

Craig, I was talking about chipmunks, not squirrels.

Not a problem sir ! Anymore squirrels and deer for me are more a matter of I’d like to honestly say I’ve taken one with this that or the other . It’s kind of a thing of , if you have why not use it :whistle: Number one on my list now is to kill a deer with the 50 cal air rifle . Which in reality with the .495” lead roundball going about 850 FPS is the same as a weak 50 cal ML !

[CraigThompson]

Brunswick (Virginia!!) Stew tonight??

Yes sir ! But when I get back in March the first thing I wanna make is the Colonial Williamsburg Game Pie ! https://www.justapinch.com/recipes/main-course/other-main-course/colonial-game-pie-kings-arms-tavern.html Actually I’d like to go down and try there’s before I try and concoct my own :whistle:

[CraigThompson]

Craig, I was talking about chipmunks, not squirrels.

George on a kinda side note , I have a Winchester 1890 that only shoots 22 Shorts my grandfather and his brother purchased new in the 20’s . He gave it to me for my HS graduation . Anyway that was all he ever used to kill squirrels and he in my grandmother ate a lot of squirrels when they were first married back in the 30’s .

[George Lang]

Craig my exact gun of choice.

[Keith Doty]

KEEPER! Take it out and shoot it. The 10 grows on you.

[Larry Stauch]

Looks like an honest unmolested gun. Interesting that it is marked as. PH and not an NH. They did drop the NH nomenclature at a certain point.

According to TPS on page 265 the year they changed from NH to PH was 1905 and they were not listed in the 1907 catalog. And then the year that this gun was made, 1917, they dropped the twist steel barrels and only offered them in Parker Steel (fluid steel) barrels after that, until they dropped the PH all together in 1927. If we knew how long the barrels were we could see, a little better, as to how rare this gun might be. 30" & 32" were the vast majority of the guns.
As the song says: You don't know what you've got TELL IT'S GONE.

[CraigThompson]

According to TPS on page 265 the year they changed from NH to PH was 1905 and they were not listed in the 1907 catalog. And then the year that this gun was made, 1917, they dropped the twist steel barrels and only offered them in Parker Steel (fluid steel) barrels after that, until they dropped the PH all together in 1927. If we knew how long the barrels were we could see, a little better, as to how rare this gun might be. 30" & 32" were the vast majority of the guns.
As the song says: You don't know what you've got TELL IT'S GONE.

I got hung up on the EH/GH 10’s and have acquired 28 , 30 , 32 and 34 inch . Supposedly they made less than 20 of the 34” guns and less than 70 of the 28” ones . I’d like to have factory original EH 24” and or 26” but they’re less than ten of each length if my memory is correct . 34” is plenty long enough for me so possible 36” 38” and 40” I’ll leave to Mr. Roberts and Mr. Hoover :whistle:

[Mills Morrison]

I've got a 28" EH but it became 28" the wrong way.

[CraigThompson]

I've got a 28" EH but it became 28" the wrong way.

I bought the 28” I have thru online auction while in the Philippines. I’d gotten a letter etc on that gun before I ever bid . I think one possibly two years ago you told me about another 28” and I planned to do the online bidding thing , but fell asleep watching TV and the auction went on by :rotf:

[Randy G Roberts]

I got hung up on the EH/GH 10’s and have acquired 28 , 30 , 32 and 34 inch . Supposedly they made less than 20 of the 34” guns and less than 70 of the 28” ones . I’d like to have factory original EH 24” and or 26” but they’re less than ten of each length if my memory is correct . 34” is plenty long enough for me so possible 36” 38” and 40” I’ll leave to Mr. Roberts and Mr. Hoover :whistle:

Craig I recently acquired a 32" steel barreled PH 10 that weighs in just a tick over 9.5 lbs. That's about all the weight I care to be swinging. I am going to step down and let Mr. Hoover handle those heavy weight big bores. He's much better suited for that sort of gun than yours truly.

[CraigThompson]

Craig I recently acquired a 32" steel barreled PH 10 that weighs in just a tick over 9.5 lbs. That's about all the weight I care to be swinging. I am going to step down and let Mr. Hoover handle those heavy weight big bores. He's much better suited for that sort of gun than yours truly.

What length is your first 10 gauge ? That ones a 34 incher correct ?

Mr. Hoover is a fair bit younger than you and I so he's better suited to swing those big brutes :rotf:

The Grade 2 top lever 32" gun I bought at Hauseman's last june is plenty heavy enough . I can do well enough with it but at 10 1/2 pounds that one will tire you out over a tower shoot or a 100 bird round .

[CraigThompson]

The 10 grows on you.

I'd say thats somewhat the under statement atleast as far as I'm concerned :rotf:

But on a side note I've made it so far in 2023 and NOT bought a gun :whistle:

[Keith Doty]

Why have so many of these guns been cut to open chokes rather than properly honed? I have a couple of fixed choke guns that I have had the chokes opened on to shoot steel, no big deal with a competent smith. NONE were Parkers!

[CraigThompson]

Why have so many of these guns been cut to open chokes rather than properly honed? I have a couple of fixed choke guns that I have had the chokes opened on to shoot steel, no big deal with a competent smith. NONE were Parkers!

An abundance of the guns at the Guyette Deeter auction the other weekend suffered the dreaded barrel chop .

[Randy G Roberts]

What length is your first 10 gauge ? That ones a 34 incher correct ?

Mr. Hoover is a fair bit younger than you and I so he's better suited to swing those big brutes :rotf:
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Yes Sir, the CH is a 34" gun at something around 10 3/4 lbs as I recall. I really like that gun but whew it's a load for me. Attached is the one that's really growing on me, I think you will approve. We'll see if I can shoot it.

[CraigThompson]

Yes Sir, the CH is a 34" gun at something around 10 3/4 lbs as I recall. I really like that gun but whew it's a load for me. Attached is the one that's really growing on me, I think you will approve. We'll see if I can shoot it.

Thats the BH ?

Bring it to NC in April !

I'd like to fondle it if nothing else LOL's !

[Reggie Bishop]

Is that the 34" AHE 12? No it is not. I will answer my own question. You buy so many I can't keep up. :whistle:

[CraigThompson]

Is that the 34" AHE 12?

I could be wrong but I think thats a BH 10 .

[Randy G Roberts]

I could be wrong but I think thats a BH 10 .

You are correct.

[Randy G Roberts]

Is that the 34" AHE 12? No it is not. I will answer my own question. You buy so many I can't keep up. :whistle:

I am done for a good bit now Reggie, I hope :rolleyes:

[CraigThompson]

You are correct.

So now you need to graduate to the Big Boy Cannons :whistle:

I'm sure Mr. Koneski can explain how to do that one :rotf::rotf::rotf:

Or Mr. Hoover could help with the acquiring part :whistle:

[Randy G Roberts]

So now you need to graduate to the Big Boy Cannons :whistle:

I'm sure Mr. Koneski can explain how to do that one :rotf::rotf::rotf:

Or Mr. Hoover could help with the acquiring part :whistle:

NO NO NO NO NO !! That's my final answer for now ! Sheesh I would need a personal trainer and that's just to get to where I could carry the ammo. All joking aside I had zero interest in the 10 until I started reloading and playing around with it and now it has sort of captivated me. Pretty cool actually.

[CraigThompson]

NO NO NO NO NO !! That's my final answer for now ! Sheesh I would need a personal trainer and that's just to get to where I could carry the ammo. All joking aside I had zero interest in the 10 until I started reloading and playing around with it and now it has sort of captivated me. Pretty cool actually.

Dude if I can pick up and swing an 8 gauge and break more than I miss I'm sure you can . You've gotta be more in shape than I am :rotf:

[Mills Morrison]

I have a 4 frame E with 30" barrels and over 10 pounds that handles surprisingly well. Another 4 frame E with 32" barrels handles like a railroad rail. Barrel length makes a big difference if you ask me

[Milton C Starr]

My NH 6 frame 10 ga seems to handle pretty good at 12 3/4" it balances between the hands even with the barrels marked 8lbs 4oz. They do have alot of taper to them though because while they are built on a 6 frame they taper down to the muzzle about the same as what my 3 frame 10 ga is.

[Reggie Bishop]

My heaviest is a one frame 20 with 32” barrels. The beast weighs about 7 1-2 pounds I think! :rotf:

[Milton C Starr]

You can balance it on your fingers, Parker Bros knew who to make a heavy gun that you that carried pretty well I think. Though I am curious how the 16lb guns feel compared to my 12 3/4lb one. Oh I just remember I do have a 16lb 10 ga haha forgot about that one but its not a Parker.

[CraigThompson]

My heaviest is a one frame 20 with 32” barrels. The beast weighs about 7 1-2 pounds I think! :rotf:

I finally got my hands on a 32” 20 that the Southern Indiana Shotgun Cartel hadn’t gobbled up :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[Stan Hoover]

I don't know what you guys are all in a fuss about:rolleyes:

I've been thinking of joining like a 10 gauge support groups, like the AA 12 step program, these 10's are starting to become addictive:eek:

[Randy G Roberts]

I finally got my hands on a 32” 20 that the Southern Indiana Shotgun Cartel hadn’t gobbled up :rotf::rotf::rotf:

Thanks. I got a good chuckle out of that one Craig. Not to correct you but the Indiana Gun Cartel is actually up north. Word has it they're dug in like ticks somewhere up around Valpo, just saying.

[Mills Morrison]

One of the magnum duck 20’s is on my wishlist. I am not greedy either. 32” is all I need

[CraigThompson]

One of the magnum duck 20’s is on my wishlist. I am not greedy either. 32” is all I need

I know a feller not to far from me that has two 20’s with the long chambers . Don’t think I could get one away from him with dynamite :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[CraigThompson]

Thanks. I got a good chuckle out of that one Craig. Not to correct you but the Indiana Gun Cartel is actually up north. Word has it they're dug in like ticks somewhere up around Valpo, just saying.

Seems to me I got a gun not to long ago that was stamped on the inside the forend Valparaiso Syndicate and of course it was a 10 gauge :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[CraigThompson]

I don't know what you guys are all in a fuss about:rolleyes:

I've been thinking of joining like a 10 gauge support groups, like the AA 12 step program, these 10's are starting to become addictive:eek:

I’d like to try a top lever hammer 10 with barrels longer than 36” . Any ideas :whistle:

[Stan Hoover]

I’d like to try a top lever hammer 10 with barrels longer than 36” . Any ideas :whistle:

I seen one for sale in MD, would have been a good one for ya Craig, I'm thinking it would have made a great gun for swans:)

[Larry Stauch]

Nate, sometimes you see the dangest things in the TPS charts.
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[Bill Murphy]

I don't think the "19" in that chart refers to the normal Twist marked hammerless PH guns.

[Steve Huffman]

I don't think the "19" in that chart refers to the normal Twist marked hammerless PH guns.

Bill, please tell us what it refers to.

[CraigThompson]

I seen one for sale in MD, would have been a good one for ya Craig, I'm thinking it would have made a great gun for swans:)

I don’t think a Tundra Swans in my future but you never know

[Bill Murphy]

Steve, I assume the 14,000 plus Twist guns are the ones we are most familiar with in the 10 gauge PH grade category. These are listed as PT in the serialization book, page 63. T1 are early guns ending in 141,000 range, very scarce and beginning at serial number 1855. ST are Stub Twist, quite early, mostly hammer guns, and usually marked as such. PH and NH grade ten gauge hammerless guns with Twist barrels are among the most numerous and useful Parkers we find.

[Larry Stauch]

Bill, I was going by the fact that the gun is marked Twist on the top of the rib and then T, not PT or ST, on the barrel flats. So if that's not correct then how do we ever know what they should be? It is confusing, otherwise. Maybe you have more definitive information that would help us understand. Or maybe a letter from Chuck would clear it up?
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