Serial nbr look uo pls

[allen newell]

What can we find out about Parker Ser#221866. Date of birth too?

[Jim McKee]

Parker 221866 was made in 1927
It appears that the Parker Brothers Stock book # 77 with that serial # range is missing
Sad
Jim

[James L. Martin]

Not in book

[allen newell]

thanks gents

[Dean Romig]

What can we find out about Parker Ser#221866. Date of birth too?



What can you tell us about that gun Allen?





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[allen newell]

Dean, all I know is the story that has been handed down in the family thru the years.
My grandfather, Arthur Newell was an executive in one of the large leather companies in Boston. He lived in Dedham, Mass. When the depression hit and to relieve the strain, he bought a farm in Bow, New Hampshire. My grandfather had 4 sons. They all hunted and had their own guns. Story goes that grandfather bought this 16 ga sxs Parker VH in Boston and used it to both hunt grouse, pheasants as well as shoot hand trap on the farm on weekends with the boys. On the last occasion that he shot it he must not have been holding the stock well cause on the recoil of the shot his thumb came back and hit him in the nose. He went home with a headache and died that evening from internal hemorrhage. I was told that instead of getting a nosebleed, he bled inward. The family doc came over in the morning and stuck a pen in his foot and pronounced him dead to my grandmother.
My dad, Herbert L. Newell, inherited the 16 and hunted with it for many years. When my brother and I were old enough, we took turns hunting with the 16'. I bought it off my brother some 20 years ago. 10 or 12 yrs ago I drove out to Larry Del Grego's and left it with him to be completely restored. The stock was very punky at the head, it had far too much drop for me and i felt it was time to get it restored. Lawrence put a nice piece of wood on it, re-blued the barrels and did the case colors which i subsequently learned were cyinide.
It's a family gun and will stay in the family. Tom Newell out in Utah will get it after I'm gone. Tom is the son of my first cousin Tucker, now deceased. Tom hunts and will enjoy it. Many fine memories with this 16. I shot many grouse and woodcock growing up with this gun.
Dean, some years back you may have seen and handled this 16 VH. I may bring it up to Major Waldron's this coming Sat. Oh, all my uncles had Parkers. All higher grade. At least C or better. The only parker left besides my 16 is a very nice CHE 12 ga with 30 inch barrels that Tom has in his posession. That all the history and then some that i know of. Hope i didnt bore too many with this story.

[Dean Romig]

Not boring at all Allen. I’ve heard the story from you before or maybe just parts of it but it certainly has family provenance!
You’ve had that gun at Addieville in the past and it’s a lovely gun.

When I asked what you knew about the gun I didn’t realize it was your family VH 16.

Have you checked the A&F records of Parkers to see if it’s included there?

See you Saturday!





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[allen newell]

Dean, no, have not checked A&F records nor do I know how to do this.
Yes, you've seen the gun at Addieville. Funny, as much as I have shot it since Lawrence restored it, the case colors don't show any wear. I told Dan Cullity yesterday about it and he wants to examine the colors and the gun overall.
See you Sat. Shoot straight and shoot often

[allen newell]

The gun was restored about 10 yrs ago. Maybe lawrence had Turnbull do the colors. As i look at them, im not sure they are cyninide based. Dan Cullity will know for sure when he sees it.

[Dean Romig]

I just spent some significant time looking on our PGCA Website to find where the Griffin & Howe listing of Parker Bros. shotguns that were bought, sold or otherwise consigned with Abercrombie & Fitch, Von Lengerke & Detmold or others was and I found where it used to be. But upon clicking on that link nothing happened... a blank page was all I got. Apparently Griffin & Howe chose to take that information down from their website so that it can no longer be accessed...

However, for those who have a complete library of past issues of Parker Pages or you had foresight enough to purchase the "Parker Pages Digital Archive" please turn to page 11 in your Winter, 2017 issue and you will find the beginning of the complete list of Parker Bros. serial numbers that went through those houses. The list is continued on page 11 of the Spring 2018 Issue.

Allen, your serial number 221866 was not to be found unfortunately.





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[Mike Franzen]

Allan I for one would like to see a picture

[todd allen]

Mike, that makes two of us.

[allen newell]

I have never figured out how to post pics on this site. I'll see Dean this Saturday and we can take pics then. Im sure Dean wouldn't mind posting or help me figure out how to do this.

[allen newell]

just tried to post a pic and all that showed was the url

[allen newell]

Gents, I just was able to upload some pics of the 16. Go look at the albums section, they should be there right at the top.

[allen newell]

got the url but no pic showed

[Dylan Rhodes]

I just spent some significant time looking on our PGCA Website to find where the Griffin & Howe listing of Parker Bros. shotguns that were bought, sold or otherwise consigned with Abercrombie & Fitch, Von Lengerke & Detmold or others was and I found where it used to be. But upon clicking on that link nothing happened... a blank page was all I got. Apparently Griffin & Howe chose to take that information down from their website so that it can no longer be accessed...

However, for those who have a complete library of past issues of Parker Pages or you had foresight enough to purchase the "Parker Pages Digital Archive" please turn to page 11 in your Winter, 2017 issue and you will find the beginning of the complete list of Parker Bros. serial numbers that went through those houses. The list is continued on page 11 of the Spring 2018 Issue.

Allen, your serial number 221866 was not to be found unfortunately.





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Griffin and Howe no longer offers research services with regards to serial numbers and purchases/sales at the various outfitters you mentioned. The gentleman who used to do this work retired and they came to the conclusion that to continue to offer this service, for it to make financial sense, it would be around 300-500 dollars per research request. Needless to say they decided to just can it. I had a long conversation with someone there about it, I have a 12g VHE with longer barrels than the research letter states, but everything appears original to me. I was hoping to prove some originality with their sales records from VL&D. The records still exist, they have no plans currently to destroy them or make them available. So I guess that’s good?

[Russell E. Cleary]

Quote: "...for it to make financial sense [for Griffin & Howe], it would be around 300-500 dollars per research request."

Taking this analysis into consideration, can we ever thank our Research Chairman enough for what he does when we render our $40 per research letter, not to him, but to the PGCA?

[Randy G Roberts]

Gents, I just was able to upload some pics of the 16. Go look at the albums section, they should be there right at the top.

Here ya go Allen, well hopefully it works.

[allen newell]

Do these colors look like cyanide? or bone charcoal? The restoration by DelGrego was done about 10 yrs ago to the best of my recollection. My understanding is that sometime around then he started using Turnbull for case coloring. I think Lawrence could have done a better job on the checkering. Back then, I knew squat about the finer details on Parkers.

Thanks Randy for posting this.

[Ken Descovich]

Allen that is not cyanide colors.
Ken

[Dylan Rhodes]

Quote: "...for it to make financial sense [for Griffin & Howe], it would be around 300-500 dollars per research request."

Taking this analysis into consideration, can we ever thank our Research Chairman enough for what he does when we render our $40 per research letter, not to him, but to the PGCA?

One last comment on this topic before this thread gets derailed entirely, my apologies for the divergence as it is. The reason cited for the cost was the lack of people willing to do it, and the fact the records are apparently poorly organized. They are just “boxes and boxes of books” that required hunting and pecking to find the right box, then further hunting to find the right book. No one bit the bullet and decided to organize things. The original gentleman did it as a “labor of love”. So I am glad our PGCA records are a little more kept.

[Joe Dreisch]

Allen, That is a fine looking family gem and, evidently, very well kept. Your conservancy is to be applauded. Congratulations and enjoy shooting it!!!

[Russell E. Cleary]

A wonderful piece, packed with vital info. and replete with color illustrations, can be found in PARKER PAGES – Journal of the Parker Gun Collectors Association – written by the late Charles Price. The topic is about identifying original charcoal process case colors from replicated charcoal case color, and charcoal case color, be it original or replicated, from cyanide. In the Winter 2015 issue page 4.

The “Parker Pages Digital Archive” would have the article, too.

For further reading, on the charcoal process, read THE PARKER STORY, Chapters VII and X.

[Dean Romig]

Russell - I applaud you for directing us all to those issues.

I couldn’t agree more!!






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