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CraigThompson
10-10-2022, 09:32 PM
Had a Model 12 28 gauge skeet come in the shop for some work it’s roll stamped 2 7/8” chambers was that usual or something unusual ?

CraigThompson
10-10-2022, 09:36 PM
The guy that brought the 28 in also brought a 20 gauge skeet that had been restocked and reblued . Gun feels great and I thought the wood on the gun was rather sporty !

Bill Murphy
10-11-2022, 06:35 AM
Craig, can you show us the engraving on the 28 gauge?

CraigThompson
10-11-2022, 07:21 AM
The 28 !

Frank Srebro
10-11-2022, 08:11 AM
Craig, very nice. Thanks for posting. I hope neither M12 doesn't have a "gas pipe" looking device on its muzzle? :banghead:

David Noble
10-11-2022, 10:30 AM
my Model 12 28ga Skeet is marked 2 7/8 in.

CraigThompson
10-11-2022, 01:50 PM
Craig, very nice. Thanks for posting. I hope neither M12 doesn't have a "gas pipe" looking device on its muzzle? :banghead:

You mean a doggie dick or in more correct terms a Cutts ?

No they don't .

The vent rib on the 20 however is a Simmons .

John Dallas
10-11-2022, 02:18 PM
My 28 gauge M12 repro is 178 miles away at my cabin. Will have to check the chamber when I get back up

Bill Murphy
10-11-2022, 03:00 PM
You will find that your Repro has 2 3/4" chambers, as do later real Model 12 28 gauge guns. I wish I were closer to Craig's 28 gauge. I might give up my "No more pump guns" promise. What's the price, Craig?

Frank Srebro
10-11-2022, 03:03 PM
You mean a doggie dick or in more correct terms a Cutts ?

No they don't .

The vent rib on the 20 however is a Simmons .

Right. More conservative term hereabouts was gas pipe, and the sensational term was donkey dxxk. :nono:

CraigThompson
10-11-2022, 05:41 PM
You will find that your Repro has 2 3/4" chambers, as do later real Model 12 28 gauge guns. I wish I were closer to Craig's 28 gauge. I might give up my "No more pump guns" promise. What's the price, Craig?

Read the first post it’s not for sale someone brought it in for a thorough cleaning or something . If they were however I’d like to have the straight grip 20 it just feels good to me .

Dave Noreen
10-12-2022, 12:15 AM
I suspect there are more Model 12 28-gauges with 2 7/8-inch chambers than 2 3/4-inch. The 2 7/8-inch was the length of the 28-gauge Winchester Super-Speed and Western Super-X shells through the November 3, 1948, catalogs. In the May 4, 1949, catalogs they are listed as 2 3/4-inch length. The January 24, 1955, Winchester catalog still lists the 28-gauge Model 12 Skeet Gun as being chambered for 2 7/8-inch shells. The September 30, 1955, Winchester catalog lists all gauges of the Model 12 Skeet Gun as being chambered for 2 3/4-inch shells. 1959 was the last year the 28-gauge Model 12 Skeet Gun was offered. From 1960 to the end only 12-and 20-gauges were offered with the New Winchester Ventilated Rib (aka three-pin).

A few pieces of pre-war Winchester paper list the availability of the 2 1/2-inch chambering for the 28-gauge Model 12, but I've never seen one so chambered/marked.

CraigThompson
10-12-2022, 01:06 PM
I just perused Riffle’s Model 12 book and from what I saw he said atleast to 1950 28 gauge skeets had 2 7/8” chambers . Not arguing the above just what I saw in Ruffles book and that’s not to say he doesn’t have blurbs in there to say even later I just didn’t see it if there is .

Bill Murphy
10-12-2022, 04:22 PM
Dave just posted that 2 7/8" chambers were catalogued until 1955. Nothing new here.

Randy Davis
10-12-2022, 09:43 PM
Original 1936 Winchester Model 12 28ga. pamphlet...