2023 Vintage Cup, New Venue?

[Bill Murphy]

Now that the 2022 Vintage Cup has been completed, it's time for the rumor mill to start a conversation about 2023. The Vintagers hierarchy has historically been very close to the vest with future plans, right up to the date of the shoot. Today I may have been privy to plans for a new venue for 2023. What has anyone heard at Ernie's about 2023?

[Frank Srebro]

The Vintagers had printed flyers that announced the 2023 venue at Central Penn Sporting Clays in York County PA. A bit earlier than typical = Sept 7-9, 2023.

[James L. Martin]

Here's the flyer

[Bill Murphy]

Thank you, Frank and James, and me. I won't make any further comment about the Vintagers.org and the negligent advertising of their shoots. I will attend and enjoy the 2023 shoot.

[James L. Martin]

I will say that I have been to all but 3 of the Vintagers and this one had the least number of exhibitors of any .I talked to a person that was on the Vintagers BOD and was told that the 2023 event will be much better with a lot more exhibitors. I hope so.

[CraigThompson]

I was so hoping it would be on the Eastern Shore of Maryland next year ! But I’ve been to Wellsville and shot the Warrington course and shot some at Central PA . Not that it’s any big deal if I attend or not I might give this a go next year ! But they need to add an 8 gauge event , heck I saw they had a new event this year for O/U an semi auto’s . So if they can have that why not an 8 gauge event .

[keavin nelson]

I know of at least one vendor who did not attend because of the table cost. As to the new location, due to the site limitations there won't be any rifle events, which I enjoyed greatly. I was told the rifle events will be held at another time at a different location.

[edgarspencer]

I was told, at the Orvis Game Fair on Saturday, that next year they will NOT be conflicting, but on successive weekends. I guess they buried the hatchet.

[Mills Morrison]

Hausman's is a great venue, I am looking forward to trying the new venue next year (Good Lord willing and the Creek don't rise), and I really liked the Eastern Shore location and would not mind going back there sometime.

[Bill Murphy]

We should really let the planners know that the Vintage Cup is not what it once was and does not warrant higher prices for vendors than any average side by side event. In fact "average" side by side events are overpriced for vendors.

[Pete Lester]

The Vintagers have just announced a change of venue for the 2023 Vintage Cup on Facebook. It will still be held in Wellsville PA but at Warringtons Sporting Clays rather than at Central Penn.

[keavin nelson]

This is also a great shooting preserve, which is how Warrington Kennels started under it's founder Claire Gross. He was a great dog breeder/trainer and field trial judge in his day. I lived about 10 miles from here in the 80s and enjoyed his company, a great Brittany he bred and lots of quail, chukars and pheasants!

[Mike Franzen]

The PGCA Annual Meeting and Member Appreciation Banquet will be held in conjunction with the Vintagers in 2023. Details to follow. I believe they are having the rifle events at this this venue.

[CraigThompson]

I shot Warrington in 2021 at the LC Smith Turkey Shoot . Nice folks this place is very good for those that rather walk .

[Bill Murphy]

Rumor number two is in place, including an official poster. I'm looking forward to it, no matter where it is held. I just hope the promoters get real about vendor fees. The market is not what it was ten or fifteen years ago and vendors have made themselves content with slower sales but don't need an increase in fees.

[Chuck Bishop]

I've just made reservations to sleep in my own bed for this event:rotf: For those of you looking for motel's in the area, I'd recommend staying in the Mechanicsburg area, close to I-83. Also plenty of restaurants there. We are looking into having a ZZ bird setup at this shoot. Not making any promises at this point but it could just be shoot X amount of targets at a fixed price just to see what it's like. An actual competition may take too long, but who knows at this point. Also, Central Penn Sporting Clays is just a short walk from Warrington Sporting Clays so if you want to shoot a ton of targets, you can burn a lot of powder!

Also, the Gettysburg battlefield is about 1/2 hour away. If you haven't visited Gettysburg, it's well worth it.

[Daryl Corona]

Good venue but lousy date. Dove season is just getting under way. Doves come first, then maybe the overpriced clay birds.

[Bill Murphy]

Daryl, so you shoot doves every day from the beginning to the end of the first season??? Give me a break. The date of the Vintage Cup is the least of our worries. See you there, buddy. You and I can both sleep in our own beds every night. This is a "commuter shoot" for you, I, and Chuck, maybe for a few years.

[Mike Koneski]

NOT If They keep charging those'' Outrageous'' Prices for their Tables. Cut the price in half, you will get 3-4 times more Vendors. IT is a Win-Win for every body.

Harry

The Northern SxS Challenge at Rock Mountain doesn't charge any fees for vendors. Just sayin'. Plus the number of shooters for this event has gone up every year.

[Pete Lester]

The Vintagers have just announced a change of venue for the 2023 Vintage Cup on Facebook. It will still be held in Wellsville PA but at Warringtons Sporting Clays rather than at Central Penn.

Another bizarre twist, the post and graphic I shared earlier about the Vintage Cup being held at Warringtons Sporting Clays has mysteriously disappeared from the Vintagers Facebook page.

I have no idea what is going on but I am starting to believe if it wasn't for disorganization the Vintagers would have no organization at all. :rotf:

[Daryl Corona]

Daryl, so you shoot doves every day from the beginning to the end of the first season??? Give me a break. The date of the Vintage Cup is the least of our worries. See you there, buddy. You and I can both sleep in our own beds every night. This is a "commuter shoot" for you, I, and Chuck, maybe for a few years.

Yep, pretty much Bill. The shooting dies off towards the end of Sept. but it is a daily thing for the first two weeks. The availability and number of birds varies with each farm we have permission to shoot and it all depends on the weather and the farmer's cutting schedule. So for the first two weeks of Sept, that is where I'd rather be.

Look, I had talked to the organizer of this shoot at Ernie's when it was announced that it was going to be at Central Penn SC. I suggested that Central Penn might not be the best venue and when she asked where I thought would be a better venue I said, hands down, Warrington SC. She took the ball and ran with it. Her husband is a member of my club and they organize driven shoots to England, Scotland, Spain to name a few under their business Delaney and Sons. They are a wonderful couple and are facing a real challenge organizing this shoot. The new owner of Warrington is willing to do whatever it takes to make this shoot happen. He is a shooter and knows how to set targets. I've been shooting there every week, usually a Weds., for a number of years with a group of guys and I can assure everyone interested that they will enjoy the course. We will see, stay tuned.

[Russell E. Cleary]

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[Pete Lester]

Just posted to the Vintagers Facebook page, 1/9/23.

"Vintage Gunners
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It looks like we are - moving forward. Please read the flyer for information and more check back for more updates"

[Bill Davis]

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for my opinion, but here goes! I attended the Vintage Cup from the very beginning in Rhode Island, through the Sandanona years, down to the Eastern Shore at Pintail Point, then Hopkins and then on to Hausmans! It peaked in Sandanona and was fairly strong at Pintail Point. Then is started to shrink down until we’re now left with a shell of what it used to be. What happened?? Well, lots of smaller regional double gun events popped up diluting what was the largest double gun gathering. The Southern has emerged as the strongest competitor and is arguably the best of these events still in existence and it’s April dates don’t conflict with hunting, football or other diversions. I’ll also offer my opinion that the double gun craze has moderated and is not the driving force it was in, say, 2000-2010! Of course there were changes in ownership of the VC that have to be factored in the current state of events. Things change, nothing stays the same and that’s what we’re witnessing now. Take a look at the Vegas January Gun Show! The old Beinfield produced shows were magnificent affairs and packed with attendees. Today’s offering is a far cry from what it was and no longer draws large crowds. There is an ebb and flow in all we do. I expect the Central Pa. VC will draw a decent crowd. It’s a nice venue and population wise it’s well situated. I hope it’s successful and finds a good home there. The vendors are critical to the success of this event. The majority of people attend to see the vendors and shop. I’m convinced that less then 50%, perhaps 30% actually shoot the events. Well this is just one man’s opinion that I felt was worth sharing. Don’t beat me up to bad, I’m a die hard Classic shotgun guy. Happy New Year to all.

[James L. Martin]

I for one was very disappointed with the number of vendors at last year's Vintagers. I hope that changes this year.

[Brian Dudley]

Bill,

You simply stated the facts about the situation and current times. You cannot argue about that.