Super Fox

[Major McCollough]

Someone got a nice Super Fox this morning for $3250 hammer. The website bandwidth seemed to be clogged, and external bidders unable to participate?

[CraigThompson]

That’s the second time they’ve sold that gun . It also has screw in chokes . They actually sold four guns they’d previously and failed to disclose the screw ins . A pair of NID 10 mags the HE and a 21 .

[Major McCollough]

Thank you, I thought there were odd references in those descriptions, but I couldn't imagine they were describing screw in chokes - egad!

[Mike Koneski]

Someone probably butchered it to shoot NSCA registered clays with it. Takes all kinds of critters to make Farmer Vincent's Fritters.

[CraigThompson]

Thank you, I thought there were odd references in those descriptions, but I couldn't imagine they were describing screw in chokes - egad!

I put low bids on both the NID’s but got neither . As said earlier they both had screw ins and both had single triggers with one being a marked Miller non selective trigger .

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, are you saying you didn't buy any of the guns in that auction?

[Bill Davis]

I bought the two Ithaca Mags the first time around and there had been no mention of Briley choke tubes or cut barrels. I had asked prior to bidding for bore and choke measurements and they had no clue or the equipment to accomplish that. So, I took a chance! I did get a refund on the guns, but they had contracted with a local FFL for shipping who charged outrageous fees. I took a hit there but was happy to get my other payments refunded. I explained all the issues with the guns and offered to work with them on a corrected re-auction description. They were not at all interested. It proved to me once again that a hands on inspection by someone knowledgeable is essential.

[Major McCollough]

Craig, You, and the inability to get into the auction, saved my bacon - I would still be after the Super Fox. Thanks

[David Noble]

What auction house was this? I need to steer clear of it.

[CraigThompson]

Craig, are you saying you didn't buy any of the guns in that auction?

Did not . Actually glad to say :bigbye:

[CraigThompson]

I bought the two Ithaca Mags the first time around and there had been no mention of Briley choke tubes or cut barrels. I had asked prior to bidding for bore and choke measurements and they had no clue or the equipment to accomplish that. So, I took a chance! I did get a refund on the guns, but they had contracted with a local FFL for shipping who charged outrageous fees. I took a hit there but was happy to get my other payments refunded. I explained all the issues with the guns and offered to work with them on a corrected re-auction description. They were not at all interested. It proved to me once again that a hands on inspection by someone knowledgeable is essential.

The grade 4 was $1500 plus premium and the grade 3 was $1700 and the premium . If memory serves you got them for less correct ?

[CraigThompson]

Craig, You, and the inability to get into the auction, saved my bacon - I would still be after the Super Fox. Thanks

You’re quite welcome !

[CraigThompson]

What auction house was this? I need to steer clear of it.

Jeffery S Evans , I think they’re trying they’re just not gun savy . There’s another auction house within 200 yards of them that’s run by another fellow named Evans . They just happen to be related . These four were the last four of I think what was considered the junk out of Charlie Hunters accumulation . They sold a few pieces at the late 2021 Guyette & Deeter action in Easton MD and supposedly there will be another auction to dissolve the cream of the Hunter accumulation. I’d like to go but I have a sneaking suspicion that auction will take place when I’m out of the country in February .

[Bill Murphy]

Bill Davis, I bought one of the guns at the previous auction, did a face to face with the auction house, and voided the sale entirely. They were just plain negligent. You should have voided the sale also. No, the screw in chokes were not related to NSCA sporting clays. No one shoots NSCA with a ten gauge magnum. It involved the original owner being a very rich idiot who knew nothing about gun values or proper care. Thankfully, I scored a high condition VHE 28 gauge skeet at a very attractive price in the original auction.

[Keith Sirmans]

That one had a lot of attention. It was even all over facebook during the auction.

[Bill Murphy]

Since I am not a facebook member, my only weapon was repeated bids and my checkbook. What in heck did the facebook members say about my little treasure? Further, who bought the DHE .410? That's the one I wish I had bought.

[Bill Murphy]

In my opinion, the DHE .410 was not a bad gun, translation; maybe not an upgrade. I would gladly give the buyer a profit on his purchase.

[Stan Hoover]

I bought the two Ithaca Mags the first time around and there had been no mention of Briley choke tubes or cut barrels. I had asked prior to bidding for bore and choke measurements and they had no clue or the equipment to accomplish that. So, I took a chance! I did get a refund on the guns, but they had contracted with a local FFL for shipping who charged outrageous fees. I took a hit there but was happy to get my other payments refunded. I explained all the issues with the guns and offered to work with them on a corrected re-auction description. They were not at all interested. It proved to me once again that a hands on inspection by someone knowledgeable is essential.

Bill,

I noticed that one of these Ithaca Magnums had cocking indicators, I had never noticed that on a Ithaca Magnum frame before, was I just not being observant or is this a rarity?

I did some digging and did find one other later Magnum with indicators. these Magnum Ithaca's were started around 1932, so I guess there may be some out there

Stan

[Bill Davis]

Good catch Stan! One of the 10 gauge Magnums did, indeed, have cocking indicators. I had never ever seen one with them before either in guns I owned or guns I looked at over the last 50 years. At one time I had Mag 10’s up to Grade 5 and was quite surprised when this one with indicators showed up. It’s too bad the guns had been butchered.

[Bill Murphy]

"Butchered" is a good description. I did not know Mr. Hunter, but he was not an expert of good guns. He had a checkbook. He could have been one of us but his expertise was in decoys. Too bad. His decoys made him much more profit than guns.

[Dave Noreen]

The only Magnum frame NID I have saved pictures of that has cocking indicators is the Chas. Askins/Elmer Keith serial number 500000 --

109602

The pictures I've saved of 31, 32 and 38 don't appear to have indicators.

Serial number 500155 doesn't have indicators and by 500167 that I use to own was a post-1935 Field Grade.

[CraigThompson]

"Butchered" is a good description. I did not know Mr. Hunter, but he was not an expert of good guns. He had a checkbook. He could have been one of us but his expertise was in decoys. Too bad. His decoys made him much more profit than guns.

I was told just about all the stuff at the Mount Crawford auction was stuff he’d bought from Julia’s or RIA or whatever that were never unboxed . I didn’t know the guy either but 35 years ago for lack of a better term “we ran in the same circles”.

[Bill Murphy]

Do you really believe that Charlie Hunter or his successors opened the boxes and found screw in chokes in guns he bought from RIA or Julia's? I mean "all of them"? What circles were they that you two guys ran in and never met?

[CraigThompson]

Do you really believe that Charlie Hunter or his successors opened the boxes and found screw in chokes in guns he bought from RIA or Julia's? I mean "all of them"? What circles were they that you two guys ran in and never met?

He supposedly was a wheel so to speak at Shenandale and in that time period I was there quite a bit . Who’s to say he didn’t know they had screw ins when he bought them . All I can say is what I was told be it fact or fiction .

[Stan Hoover]

The only Magnum frame NID I have saved pictures of that has cocking indicators is the Chas. Askins/Elmer Keith serial number 500000 --

109602

The pictures I've saved of 31, 32 and 38 don't appear to have indicators.

Serial number 500155 doesn't have indicators and by 500167 that I use to own was a post-1935 Field Grade.

Serial # 500,060 does have cocking indicators, a Grade 2E, 10, 32”, single non selective rear position trigger

PS. I noticed when using my search function today on SXS Ithaca Magnums, it was stated that 34” barrels were offered, if this correct, I have yet to see one:shock:
Does anyone else have record of a 34” Ithaca Magnum, or any 34” Ithaca SXS?

Stan

[Dave Noreen]

A relative of mine in Minnesota had a 34-inch Magnum-10. I was an Ensign last time I saw it and Bob is long dead. Some years ago Barnett had a 34-inch, No. 1E, Magnum-12, serial number 500155 for sale.

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, I don't think you will find the the auction houses you mention have sold anywhere near the number of screw choked Model 21s and Mag Ten Ithacas that were sold in this auction in the entire history of James Julia auctions. Get serious. Mr. Hunter destroyed these guns himself, after unpacking great guns he purchased from Jim Julia and sending them to Briley for destruction. He is making millions on his decoys while his guns are being trashed by collectors.

[CraigThompson]

Craig, I don't think you will find the the auction houses you mention have sold anywhere near the number of screw choked Model 21s and Mag Ten Ithacas that were sold in this auction in the entire history of James Julia auctions. Get serious. Mr. Hunter destroyed these guns himself, after unpacking great guns he purchased from Jim Julia and sending them to Briley for destruction. He is making millions on his decoys while his guns are being trashed by collectors.

He isn’t making squat , but I assume his wife is coining out okay 😉

[Larry Stauch]

Just for the record, my Ithaca Mag 10, grade #1, has cocking indicators. It is #223 with 32" barrels.
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[charlie cleveland]

always wanted one of those Ithaca 10 ga magnums but don't have one yet...that's a nice one shown here....I do have a Ithaca mag 10 auto....charlie

[CraigThompson]

always wanted one of those Ithaca 10 ga magnums but don't have one yet...that's a nice one shown here....I do have a Ithaca mag 10 auto....charlie

I’m gonna tell you right now , they may have a little weight to them . But when you shoot factory 3 1/2” loads they’re gonna get your attention . The 3 frame hammer gun I have that someone made a set of fluid steel barrels for will wake you up right now when you touch off factory 3 1/2” buckshot or slugs . Damn thing recoils more than my stout 8 gauge buckshot load .

[charlie cleveland]

in other words one of thosebig guns aint gona do this heart moniter I wear any good....would love to see that steel barrel hammer gun....charlie

[CraigThompson]

in other words one of thosebig guns aint gona do this heart moniter I wear any good....would love to see that steel barrel hammer gun....charlie

Don’t think the guns will bother your monitor , but one at nine pounds shooting the factory 3 1/2” lead loads will do it no favors .

[Allen Peterson]

http://https://ibb.co/LnncN91https://ibb.co/LnncN91. hand loads with a ballistic products bismuth are not too bad on recoil. They do a job on big birds.