410 & 28 ga NID GRADE 1’s

[joe breda]

Gentlemen,
So,… I wonder what the odds are on a 410 NID GRADE 1, and a 28 ga NID GRADE 1 showing up on a Skeet range on the same day by 2 different shooters? Zoom in on the pictures if you care to and see how many differences you can see.
The 410 was built in1926, the 28 in 1935 !

[Joseph Sheerin]

Very nice, biggest change was forend latch.....

I don't remember when Ithaca quit putting cocking indicators on the NID's but it had to be soon after 1935 as my 1938 G2 16ga does not have them.....

[Dave Noreen]

One has the flat knurled safety slide and the other has the raised safety slide with crossways grooves.

A bit of a difference in the floral pattern on the bottom of the frame. While these two, and my No. 1 28-gauge also, has the floral pattern on the bottom of the frame extending forward from the trigger plate, years ago I had a 12-gauge No. 1E that the floral pattern extended back towards the trigger plate from the knuckle.

The 28-gauge has the 1935-style Baker J-spring snap-on/off forearm while the .410-bore has the original short Deeley latch forearm. My .410-bore Field Grade from early 1935 has the short Deeley latch forearm while my late 1935 No. 1 28-gauge has the longer Baker J-spring forearm, but mine has the black tip inlay.

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My 28-gauge also has the 1935-style stock with the thicker grip and larger checkering pattern --

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and no cocking indicators.

Workers putting parts together to get product out the door!! And, to give us something to talk about!!

[Stan Hoover]

Joe,

The chances of 2 small bore Ithaca's showing up at a local Skeet club in our area would be slim to none, although I don't actively shoot Skeet much.

When my son and I do shoot clays local, seeing other SXS's is pretty rare, small bore SXS's much more rare.

The Grade 1 engraving is probably my least favorite of the graded NID's, but I must admit it is growing on me. Those 2 are some rare Ithaca NID's for sure!

Stan

PS. I meant to ask, what part of this Great Country are you from?

[charlie cleveland]

now ya ll got me wanting one of these guns...really nice........charlie

[John Wayman]

I just looked at Walt Snyders book and apparently cocking indicators were eliminated for 1935. The early NIDs all had the D&E finger release. After 1935, only ejector guns had the finger release, extractor guns went back to the Baker style forend. Of course, as double guns were phased out, I think the gunmakers tried to use up all kinds of parts so there are probably outliers. My field grade .410
From 1938 has a baker forend and is an extractor gun.
Great pictures and thanks for sharing!!

[Dave Noreen]

From 1926 to early 1935 the Ithaca NID forearms used the Deeley & Edge lever with opposing hooks on the forearm loop and the lever. Similar to that used on the graded Ansley H. Fox guns.

During 1935 Ithaca transitioned to the Baker J. Spring for the Extractor forearms and a combination on the ejector forearms of the Baker J spring and a tilting block, actuated by the lever in the forearm, similar to the Parker Bros. latch.

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[Dave Noreen]

Charlie, the 28-gauge No. 1, serial number 459171 popped up on GI this morning --

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/ithaca-shotguns-nid/ithaca-nid-28-gauge-grade-1-engraved-1-0f-42-rare-vintage-firearms-inc.cfm?gun_id=102046980

[Joseph Sheerin]

I think the gunmakers tried to use up all kinds of parts so there are probably outliers.

My 1938 NID G2 16ga has a forend from what appears to be a Lefever A-Grade, which was basically an NID. The checkering is different than most G2 Ithaca's, but it's not the only NID from 1938 that I have seen with the same checkering. All numbers match on the gun, including those in the wood. So, it's original to the gun, and the wood matches color, etc with butt stock.

[charlie cleveland]

that 28 ga did not last long..it sold before I got a look at it...charlie

[Stan Hoover]

that 28 ga did not last long..it sold before I got a look at it...charlie

Charlie,

He relisted it with a slightly lower price from what I can see, not sure if there was any other changes.

Stan

[Dan Steingraber]

Charlie,

He relisted it with a slightly lower price from what I can see, not sure if there was any other changes.

Stan

Very little less. Very interesting gun.

[Bobby Cash]

Here's the relist.
A spectacular little NID.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/ithaca-shotguns-nid/ithaca-nid-28-gauge-grade-1-engraved-1-0f-42-rare-vintage-firearms-inc.cfm?gun_id=102047488

[Dave Noreen]

Guess I should have bought both of the NID 28-gauges Randy Shuman had when I bought my No. 1 from him in 1987. The other was a Field Grade but with very high-grade wood on it from a No. 5 or maybe a No. 7.

[Stan Hoover]

Guess I should have bought both of the NID 28-gauges Randy Shuman had when I bought my No. 1 from him in 1987. The other was a Field Grade but with very high-grade wood on it from a No. 5 or maybe a No. 7.

I’m sure the price has increased considerably since 1987, if you can call it an investment, you did well!

[Dan Steingraber]

Am I mistaken or have the chokes been opened up and the barrels reblued? 4/4 = full/full. The listing indicates original barrel finish but the pictures show weep holes.

[Dave Noreen]

Weep holes mean nothing on Ithaca doubles. They had them from new. Same with Ansley H. Fox

A couple of lines from the bottom of Jay's lengthy text --

"This gun did ship originally with F/F chokes. Sometime along the way it was altered to a more useful IC/M gun."

Both of my NID 28-gauges are choke marked 4 & 4 but have less in the right barrels. My No. 1 is .020" right and .032" left. My No. 2 is .017" right and .027" left.

[Dan Steingraber]

Thank you Sir. Continuing to learn.

[Bobby Cash]

At Skeet or Quail distances.

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[charlie cleveland]

that's a fine looking 28 ga but the price is a out of line with my pocket change at the moment....but a nice gun anyway....charlie

[Dave Noreen]

Back in the Fall 2011, Julia's Auction a NID No. 1 28-gauge, 459123, sold for $4830.

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[John Wayman]

Probably double that now, if you can find one. 1939 field grade, SST, beavertail, twin ivories. Does a nice job on quail…..JW

[John Wayman]

A trio of small bore NIDs for those interested: .410, 28, and 20. Not fancy, but they get the job done

[Stan Hoover]

Fine group of Ithaca small bores there John!

I thought that 28 gauge looked familiar, I love the amount of original case color that one still has, must have been used very sparingly.

Pretty certain I posted this photo before, this was a group of NID 28’s at Hausman’s in 2019. A Field Grade, Grade 2, Grade 3 (1 of 5), and a Grade 4.

[Dave Noreen]

It seems from threads on a couple of other sites, that the No. 1 28-gauge one of the original subject guns of this thread was stolen in Nashville in 1972 and a detective in Knoxville is trying to find the original owner or descendants.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/19344878/1