Am I missing something here?

[Andrew Sacco]

I used Hodgdon.com reload data and triple checked it as follows:

2.5" Cheddite Hull
Cheddite 209
19.5g Universal
7/8oz lead shot
BP/SPTG16 wad
7300psi/1125fps

Shot out of my 0 frame 16VH they absolutely sound like a cannon and pound the every loving crap out of me. It is a very hot load, and I had two others shoot it and they said "No way that is 1125fps load..." I mean it was loud and getting there quick and it wasn't fun. A 2.5" Longshot 1oz load shot much easier on me with the same gun. Is it possible Hodgon is wrong? Should I chrono it? I won't shoot many of those it wasn't fun, contrary to what I thought the load would be like. The ONLY variable I can find is I have SG16 wads, is that the same as SPTG16?? It loads and crimps nicely. And as further information, I verified the powder throws on an RCBS digital scale, they were spot on. Any insight is appreciated.

[Dean Romig]

I had the same experience a few years ago Andy. I loaded about 3 or 4 boxes of that load and when I frired it I thought I had done something wrong. I shot only 1 box of those and they were excessively loud and pounded my shoulder. I decided to protect my gun, if nothing else, and quit while I was ahead.

I haven't shot any more of those but I will shoot them in my 16 gauge DHE with Titanic Steel barrels. It's a little heavier gun on it's 1-frame than my little 0-frame hammer gun with it's very petite and delicate wrist.





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[Aaron Beck]

i think low pressures are frequently or can be louder, because they are still burning when they exit the muzzle. Add a short barrel and its probably worse. witness the moniker "loudshot". I hunt with that load though so if you decide to get it tested, please share the results.

[Andrew Sacco]

Thank you everyone. My VH has 26" barrels. I have a handful of these loads left, that might be enough excuse to buy another 16 on a 1 frame with longer barrels right?

[James L. Martin]

Ops,thought you said 20ga.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I use that load all the time and havent noticed that problem, even in light 16's like my GH damascus and DHE 16( 6 lbs). I often shoot 3/4 oz loads( International). I will take some of both out next time and see how much difference I can tell.
I was always a 16 ga guy( 11), but lately have been gravitating towards 20's.

[Andrew Sacco]

I Got a couple of nice 16's I could fix you up with, but my Prices are
probably too High!

You old coot, you finally figured yourself out!!!

[Daryl Corona]

Longshot is know as Loudshot. I've noticed it in my 16 and 20 gauge loads and I'm not really sure why. Nor do I care. Most shotgun propellants are burned completely in the first 12-18" so they are not still burning when they leave the muzzle. Nowadays you got to dance with the girl you brought.

[Andrew Sacco]

True story Daryl. The Longshot is much easier on me than the Universal was which was what perplexed me given the load data I found from Hodgon themselves.

[Brian Dudley]

I personally have always been very surprised by the low recoil that I feel every time I have shot a 0 frame 16g. Although I am usually always firing factory RSTs out of them. But I always feel like they should kick more than they do.

[Keith Doty]

I used Hodgdon.com reload data and triple checked it as follows:

2.5" Cheddite Hull
Cheddite 209
19.5g Universal
7/8oz lead shot
BP/SPTG16 wad
7300psi/1125fps

Shot out of my 0 frame 16VH they absolutely sound like a cannon and pound the every loving crap out of me. It is a very hot load, and I had two others shoot it and they said "No way that is 1125fps load..." I mean it was loud and getting there quick and it wasn't fun. A 2.5" Longshot 1oz load shot much easier on me with the same gun. Is it possible Hodgon is wrong? Should I chrono it? I won't shoot many of those it wasn't fun, contrary to what I thought the load would be like. The ONLY variable I can find is I have SG16 wads, is that the same as SPTG16?? It loads and crimps nicely. And as further information, I verified the powder throws on an RCBS digital scale, they were spot on. Any insight is appreciated.
Andy, I looked back at my 16 ga. notes and found a Hodgdon manual load very similar to the one you listed at 19.9 of Universal, 7/8 oz and a SG16 wad claiming 1150 FPS and 7500 PSI. I have NOT shot or had these tested.
I find another noted as somebody else's tested at Precision that looks very inviting with Longshot. I have had very good results with Longshot in getting plenty of FPS with minimal pressures.
2 1/2" Cheditte hull
209 Cheditte primer
18 gr. Longshot
SG16 wad
1 oz shot
6 pt crimp
1200 FPS and 7270 PSI
I typically wear electronic muffs when testing or shooting clays and cannot testify to the "Loudshot" thing.