Galazan Selling a 410 Reproduction

[Ken Hill]

I see Galazan is selling a 410 DHE reproduction on GI today. I've not seen one for sale before. Price seems high, but how many are out there for sale. No pictures of the water table or barrel flats shown in the listing.

Ken

[David C Porter]

https://connecticutshotgun.co/parker-reproduction-dhe-grade-410ga-28-barrels-choked-m-f-52157/

[Greg Baehman]

There's a lot of strangeness going on with this gun, which leads to several questions, such as:

1. Why no serial number on the trigger guard tang?
2. Barrel wedge engraving, what's up with that?
3. Turkish walnut wood?
4. Appears to be a 00-frame, if it was originally a 28ga. where are the 28ga. set of barrels?
5. Were these .410 barrels produced by CSMC when they offered them for 00-frame Repros several years ago, (no rib matting and non-typical Repro DHE stamping)?
6. Could this possibly be the first .410 00-frame Repro (not part of a 2-bbl.set) that most, if not all of us have ever seen?
7. I'm sure there are still other questions to be asked and answered.

I suspect this to be a made-up gun, put together years after leaving the factory.

Here's the Guns International listing: https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns-reproduction/parker-reproduction-dhe-grade-410ga-28-quot-barrels-choked-m-f-.cfm?gun_id=101869307

[Bob Jurewicz]

As soon as I saw the listing I sent a message. At about 8:00 PM I was informed it was sold.
Bob Jurewicz

[Greg Baehman]

As soon as I saw the listing I sent a message. At about 8:00 PM I was informed it was sold.
Bob Jurewicz
It appears to have been returned for whatever reason as it's once again available:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns-reproduction/parker-reproduction-dhe-grade-410ga-28-quot-barrels-choked-m-f-.cfm?gun_id=101928284

[Dean Romig]

I wonder what's going on with that top rib right over the joint of the doll's head extension.... it looks pretty swaged...?







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[Bob Jurewicz]

This gun was at the Southern. I tried to pick it up and examine it but it was sitting in the direct sun for hours and barrels burned my hands.
Bob Jurewicz

[Greg Baehman]

This gun was at the Southern. I tried to pick it up and examine it but it was sitting in the direct sun for hours and barrels burned my hands.
Bob Jurewicz

Is that explanation the politically correct way to say the gun was "hot"? (wink!)

[David C Porter]

I sent them an email about it being the same one listed 2-3 months ago. They answered back & said they originally had 3 & now have 2 left. So, what's pictured may not be what you'll get; wood is from previous listing.

[Joseph Sheerin]

I sent them an email about it being the same one listed 2-3 months ago. They answered back & said they originally had 3 & now have 2 left. So, what's pictured may not be what you'll get; wood is from previous listing.

When someone is selling a gun online, one where things like wood grain are very important to the value of the gun, or even ones particluar likes or dislikes.... Sellers IMHO should always show the gun that is actually being sold. Even on new guns. I bought a gun last year, thought I was getting gun pictured, I did not. It did not say the gun was a stock photo, the wood was still nice, but it wasn't what I was expecting. I said something to them, and their response was, pretty much tough ****, we don't have time to provide exact gun pics of every gun we sell. That's ok, but it should be stated in their posting.

[CraigThompson]

He had it out on the table at Sanford all weekend .

[Bob Hayes]

Yes it was there at Sanford.Its a pieced gun with his barrels installed.It looked ok but something is just off about it.

[Bill Murphy]

When Tony sold .410 barrels some time back, they would install them for you or not. Not all of these barrels were installed professionally.

[Ryan Brege]

When someone is selling a gun online, one where things like wood grain are very important to the value of the gun, or even ones particluar likes or dislikes.... Sellers IMHO should always show the gun that is actually being sold. Even on new guns. I bought a gun last year, thought I was getting gun pictured, I did not. It did not say the gun was a stock photo, the wood was still nice, but it wasn't what I was expecting. I said something to them, and their response was, pretty much tough ****, we don't have time to provide exact gun pics of every gun we sell. That's ok, but it should be stated in their posting.

Same seller?

[Greg Baehman]

It appears to have been returned for whatever reason as it's once again available:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns-reproduction/parker-reproduction-dhe-grade-410ga-28-quot-barrels-choked-m-f-.cfm?gun_id=101928284
I just had a phone conversation with a gentleman from Georgia that originally purchased this gun from Standard Manufacturing Co. when it was offered a couple of months ago. The reason he returned it was that he found upon receipt that it was put together with aftermarket .410 barrels that Galazan offered several years ago with an original 20ga. 0-frame Repro, S/N 20-X488X stamped into the action flats. He did get his money back, but it took six weeks to get it.

Note: One might wonder if the S/N of this set of barrels or the 26-inchers that are now gone carries the same S/N to the above subject gun?
https://www.gunsamerica.com/995719845/Parker-Reproduction-DHE-20ga-Barrel-2.htm

[Ken Hill]

I will add this...if you buy a gun from Galazan, expect it to take 4+ weeks to get your money back on the return. I told them not to ship the gun after I found out some additional information on the gun. It took 5 weeks to get the credit back on my card.

Ken

[Bill Murphy]

28-.410 set just sold on Poulin's for $16,500 plus at least 18% buyer's premium. That's $19,470 plus tax and shipping. What is your opinion of a Repro compared to an original .410?

[Stan Hillis]

28-.410 set just sold on Poulin's for $16,500 plus at least 18% buyer's premium. That's $19,470 plus tax and shipping. What is your opinion of a Repro compared to an original .410?

To put it bluntly, there is no comparison. My opinion, and likely not in the majority. I'm just not willing to value reproductions close to originals. I had a new '69 Camaro SS. My grandson has a 2010 Camaro SS. While his is a great car, and I like and appreciate it, it can't have the value of an original '69.

[Greg Baehman]

David Trevallion, one of the most experienced and respected gun gurus in all the world and one that has been inside and out of some of the greatest guns the world has ever seen wrote "Parker Reproduction guns were in every respect equal - if not superior - to the originals."

Should we doubt his opinion?

[Phillip Carr]

I would agree from a quality perspective the Reproductions are equal to or exceed the originals with a couple of exceptions like the ejector hammers. It’s the collectibility and value where there is a large separation.

[Garry L Gordon]

Ask the question again in another 100 years.

[Dean Romig]

Greg, and all, I concur with Dave Trevallion's assessment of the Parker Reproductions. I have spent many hours with Dave at his home and in his shop and we've talked a lot about these Parker Reproductions.
I've owned a few Repros and liked them very much, in fact my grandchildren will soon inherit Kathy's 28 gauge Repro Skeet gun.

Value is one thing and the value of an original Parker and that of a Repro is very subjective. The 'market' (real gun buyers) is what sets value but as David says, "Parker Reproduction guns were in every respect equal, if not superior, to the originals." he wasn't making reference to the value placed on them by the market. They were manufactured of better steel alloys, machined, in most respects, to finer tolerances and also in most cases (excluding the overly heavy twenty-gauges) handled just as sweetly as the originals. The fact that the checkering did not have mullered borders was not an oversight, but simply because of the fact that the original Parkers Mr. Skuese sent to be copied were all Ilion made Remington Parkers which did not have mullered borders. The workers at Kodensha were instructed to copy exactly the guns they were sent - and they did, and they did a truly superior job of it.

I have never owned an original Parker .410 nor a Repro .410 and I don't have the desire to and IMO they kind of fell on their faces with regard to the barrel separation (distance between bore axis at the muzzle) - somehow I think they could have done better.

The original Parkers have that mystique that the Repros won't have for several more generations of shooters - their sons and grandsons... and their grandsons after them.

Just my HO but I think Dave Trevallion nailed it.





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[Bob Hayes]

I think he's correct but just look at the sell price in the last couple years.As Dean said the guns are two different animals but the repro's are getting legs now and creeping up in price quicker.I suspect it will top out soon.
I like both and own both but when holding an original I think of what that gun has done and seen in the last 100 plus years.The repro I get to make those memories for myself and whomever follows.Holding a gun and using a gun that's been around for over a 100yrs is thrilling.

[Bill Murphy]

In the same auction where the Repro .410 sold for $16,500, an original VHE sold for $30,000 plus the buyer's premium. The auction was Poulin's, just concluded.

[Garry L Gordon]

In the same auction where the Repro .410 sold for $16,500, an original VHE sold for $30,000 plus the buyer's premium. The auction was Poulin's, just concluded.

Bill, that was a .410 VHE?

[Bill Murphy]

Yes, a rather high condition VHE.

[Ryan Brege]

So, whats the consensus on this one? I certainly will never be a woodworker but that BT forend fit to the latch metal is atrocious. Looks to be a crack on the RH side too.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns-reproduction/parker-reproduction-dhe-grade-special-410ga-28-quot-barrels-choked-imp-m-f-.cfm?gun_id=101960052

[Greg Baehman]

Many of the same odd things are going on with this gun as the other one in this thread. It's a made up gun, likely on an 0-frame with aftermarket CSMC barrels, barrel wedge engraving, BT forend and case. The S/N appears removed from the tang, etc. I make no claim of being a wood species expert, but the wood, to my eyes, appears to be Claro walnut (Juglans hindsii) and not English walnut (Juglans regia) as the seller claims.

I agree with you Ryan regarding the latch fit and apparent crack.

Caveat emptor. But hey, someone may fall in love with it.

[David C Porter]

Looks like another pieced together slop job. Forearm is not a D grade & has multible cracks with terrible checkering & fit