New Paper Shells

[Dave Noreen]

https://www.remington.com/peters-paper.html

[Phillip Carr]

Thanks for the heads up. I ordered 10 boxes just for the cool factor. Free shipping so that helps out on the cost.

[CraigThompson]

Wish they made some that were ounce and a quarter of #6’s trucking along at about 1350 FPS . Here pigeon pigeon pigeon :rotf:

[Chris Pope]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Gary Laudermilch]

Twenty bucks a box = ouch. If they make some paper 20's I'd be tempted.

[keavin nelson]

The wads in these are interesting, not your standard wad, perhaps developed just for this paper shell?

[Andrew Sacco]

Pretty cool looking. $20 is steep, but after spending a gajillion dollars on guns what difference does it make? There are worse ways to go broke : )

[Mills Morrison]

Higher ammo prices seems to be the "new normal". I too wish they had some in small bore.

[Mills Morrison]

How do you get free shipping?

[Milton C Starr]

Pretty cool looking. $20 is steep, but after spending a gajillion dollars on guns what difference does it make? There are worse ways to go broke : )

I wonder them being a limited production run is part of the cost ?
Like some brass manufacturer's require a minimal order of 50k pieces to do custom batch. I think Federal says it takes about 3 days or so to complete the waxing/drying part for the paper tubes which adds significantly to production time vs plastic.

[Mills Morrison]

I am hoping enough people order them to make it worthwhile to add them to the permanent line up.

[Milton C Starr]

I like they went with a old school style headstamp.

[Andrew Sacco]

How would they work in a 2 5/8" 12g VH? I sometimes over obsess about such things.

[CraigThompson]

They had those in plastic by the pallet load at a sporting goods place in Alabama couple months ago . A friend was down there for work and bought four flats and brought them back I think he paid about $80 a flat .

[Bruce P Bruner]

I succumbed for a couple of boxes for display. Just think, in a couple hundred years they’ll be worth a lot more.:rotf:

[Mills Morrison]

How would they work in a 2 5/8" 12g VH? I sometimes over obsess about such things.


I know a good way to find out.:corn:

[Bruce P Bruner]

How would they work in a 2 5/8" 12g VH? I sometimes over obsess about such things.
They would work nicely in my VH, though it’s a 3” chamber.:rotf:

[Jay Oliver]

I bought 10 boxes of the 1145fps. That's my reaction when anyone posts an ammo link these days...thanks Dave!

I think they should be fine in the one steel barreled 12 gauge Parker I have, though I was also thinking they would work well in an early A5 I have that I should shoot more.

[Victor Wasylyna]

How do you get free shipping?

Spend at least $149 and shipping is free.

-Victor

[J. Scott Hanes]

This "New" item, offered under the Remington brand at Vista is for retail to consumer sales only. There still is not sufficient supply of raw materials to offer to the retail or distributor trade at this time. For the volume trap/skeet shooter, at $20 a box this will not garner much attention. For the casual shooter and someone who has a vintage shotgun, perhaps the price is worth it. Buyer's choice.

[Steve Huffman]

Spend at least $149 and shipping is free.

-Victor

at 20 per box shipping isnt free lol

[CraigThompson]

This "New" item, offered under the Remington brand at Vista is for retail to consumer sales only. There still is not sufficient supply of raw materials to offer to the retail or distributor trade at this time. For the volume trap/skeet shooter, at $20 a box this will not garner much attention. For the casual shooter and someone who has a vintage shotgun, perhaps the price is worth it. Buyer's choice.

If they were Flyer loads meaning 1 1/4 ounces of #6’s going at 1300 plus I’d give them the $200 for a flat no problem . But a flat of these for pigeons would last me maybe a year .

[John Davis]

These got a lot of attention over on trapshooters.com. Mostly negative because of the price. But as I noted over there, Vista is offering STS shells for $15/box and Nitro 27 at $17/box. If you’re going through a flat or more a week, it’s all pretty pricey.

[Will Gurton]

If they were Flyer loads meaning 1 1/4 ounces of #6’s going at 1300 plus I’d give them the $200 for a flat no problem . But a flat of these for pigeons would last me maybe a year .

Craig,

Federal ran some Paper Flyer loads in Copper 7.5's earlier in the year. 1330 fps if I remember correctly.

I got a case but haven't broken into them yet.

Will

[David Verhine]

In for four boxes over here. Most likely to go on display with my vintage stuff.

[Phillip Carr]

I have blown money on lesser things so I splurged. After all its almost Christmas.
Shells arrived today. I like everything about them. 5 boxes will go to friends for Christmas.
I will keep a box and shoot the rest on some quail and dove hunts.

[Phillip Carr]

I think the box is attractively designed but one of the Peters Vintage Bobwhites in place of the clay would look even better.

[charlie cleveland]

these look like collector boxes to me a hit from the start....charlie

[Phillip Carr]

I bought 97 flats a couple of years ago from an estate. Averaged $4.30 per box. I don’t need these paper shells I wanted them.
That said I have been shooting RST shells for years. With shipping they are about $20 per box.
I went Mearns quail hunting 4 times this past week and only shot a box and a half of 20 gauge shells.
So about $30 to hunt 4 days.
I don’t shoot clay targets very often and won’t be shooting Eurasian dove in any large number with any of these paper loads, but the smell alone reminds me of when I was a kid and will be worth every penny.
I don’t drink $100 a bottle scotch very often but occasionally I splurge and enjoy it.

[Bruce Hering]

I wonder what the pressure is in the 1145 fps load ? Any ideas or info ? EDIT OUT: I looked and they are out of stock on several choices (one of them my choice)

[Phillip Carr]

I am not sure. Nothing listed on the box. It does state Reduced felt recoil.Then also stated do not use in Twist or Damascus barrels.

[J. Scott Hanes]

I wonder what the pressure is in the 1145 fps load ? Any ideas or info ? EDIT OUT: I looked and they are out of stock on several choices (one of them my choice)

Bruce, these loads would be loaded to standard velocity and pressure. Since it is a paper shell, and Remington has not loaded paper shells since 1960 or so, I would assume they are the same pressure as a Federal paper shell. Most of the major factories load to SAAMI pressure, nothing "low" like with a handload or RST. A 12 gauge shell would be in the 10,000 psi range.

[Dave Noreen]

I think the box is attractively designed but one of the Peters Vintage Bobwhites in place of the clay would look even better.

Phil, Nice box, but a bit perplexing. The part that says 14 Grs. TARGET was Peters medium height brass shell for bulk smokeless powders. Their medium height brass shell for dense smokeless powder was the HIGH GUN. The Load No. 397x was for a TARGET 1 3/4-dram, 5/8-ounce load. Load No. 187x was for the HIGH GUN 14-grain, 5/8-ounce load.

[Frank Srebro]

I ordered a flat yesterday in 7-1/2 shot and 1145 speed. I always liked the Peters brand and perhaps was overly influenced in my youth by the Peters Packs the Power adverts in the sporting mags. The hardware stores in town didn't carry Peters and I'd ride my bicycle two towns up the line to a store that did. I was fortunate to do some fox hunting ahead of trailing hounds back then with a good man who took me under his wing, and when the baying swung towards me there was nothing like the confidence of having two Peters high brass 2's in my Western Arms double gun. They were the regular 1-1/4 ouncers at 1330 or so speed. Well anyway, I like Peters blue paper shells. Yeah I know these new Peters are target loads but they'll work just fine for birds in any number of my double guns. :)

[Arthur Shaffer]

I looked at these when I first saw them but nothing led me to believe they were low pressure, just a vintage look.

[Victor Wasylyna]

I shot two boxes of the new Peters shells through my VHE. Let me tell you: The smell is amazing!

I am ordering another flat.

-Victor

[Mike Poindexter]

I shot two boxes of the 7 1/2's at trap today. Used an old Ithaca SBT that had experienced chamber tightness with fired cheap steel base ammo. Checked these shells with a magnet--solid brass. No problems with extraction. May buy another flat if they still have them.

[Gary Laudermilch]

Boy, you guys are really hung up on the Peters name and a pretty box. Why not get hold of some Federal paper hulls and load them to whatever specs you want for $5.50 s box. And they smell just as good! Oh, I forgot, Parker guys are always a cut above!

[Stan Hillis]

I ordered a flat yesterday in 7-1/2 shot and 1145 speed. I always liked the Peters brand and perhaps was overly influenced in my youth by the Peters Packs the Power adverts in the sporting mags. The hardware stores in town didn't carry Peters and I'd ride my bicycle two towns up the line to a store that did. I was fortunate to do some fox hunting ahead of trailing hounds back then with a good man who took me under his wing, and when the baying swung towards me there was nothing like the confidence of having two Peters high brass 2's in my Western Arms double gun. They were the regular 1-1/4 ouncers at 1330 or so speed. Well anyway, I like Peters blue paper shells. Yeah I know these new Peters are target loads but they'll work just fine for birds in any number of my double guns. :)

Here you go, Frank. The real deal. Sold earlier this month at Ward's. $15.

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=10078

[Frank Srebro]

Here you go, Frank. The real deal. Sold earlier this month at Ward's. $15.

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=10078

Thanks Stan. Yep they sure built confidence in this young guy while listening to the hound music. What great artwork! I've been buying good papers at gun shows for some time now and have plenty for occasional use while hunting. I focus on those made in the later 50's to early 60's, and most will fire loud and crackly as when new. Paper shells with powder or primers that have soured (creating hangfires or duds) can generally be seen with corrosion on the top of the brass base or around the primer pocket. Sort those out when buying. ��

[Stan Hillis]

i totally agree. I've got many vintage shells I've bought, and use in my vintage doubles. Just today I was measuring some vintage 16s I have on hand to see which I would feel comfortable using in the Parker 16 ga., with original chambers. I've shot them for years at doves. There's a strange satisfaction in taking a nice mess of doves with shells that are almost as old as the gun.

Merry CHRISTmas, SRH

[Frank Srebro]

Time moves on and familiar clays shells are becoming available. :rolleyes:

Spotted today in a station trash can while shooting at Rock Mountain. Expand pic if you can’t make out the price sticker. :whistle:

[Mike Koneski]

Time moves on and familiar clays shells are becoming available. :rolleyes:

Spotted today in a station trash can while shooting at Rock Mountain. Expand pic if you can’t make out the price sticker. :whistle:

All I have to say is those weren’t purchased here!! That’s robbery!!

[Andrew Sacco]

That is steep. Especially for GC loads.

[Mike Koneski]

BTW, there were pretty many once fired Gun Club hulls in the hull buckets this week. Just sayin'. :corn:

[Craig Larter]

I see GC's selling for $9.99 a box around here. Thinking 10 bucks will be the new price. Still mostly Italian hulls at Rochester Brooks but a few more GC's this week. Still not finding any 8ga industrial hulls LOL.

[charlie cleveland]

let us know when you find them 8 ga hulls....charlie

[Dean Romig]

I wonder them being a limited production run is part of the cost ?
Like some brass manufacturer's require a minimal order of 50k pieces to do custom batch. I think Federal says it takes about 3 days or so to complete the waxing/drying part for the paper tubes which adds significantly to production time vs plastic.

But there’s no added labor time for the drying process so the cost shouldn’t be associated with this.





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[Dean Romig]

I am not sure. Nothing listed on the box. It does state Reduced felt recoil.Then also stated do not use in Twist or Damascus barrels.

That’s just a disclaimer the insurance companies insist on for the manufacturers. Heck, every box of RST shells has that same disclaimer.





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[Dean Romig]

How would they work in a 2 5/8" 12g VH? I sometimes over obsess about such things.

I have shot a LOT of 2 3/4” AA’s in my 1899 Titanic DH with 2 9/16” chambers when I used to shoot informal trap at my club before I got involved in Skeet.





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[Mike Koneski]

Andy, they'll work just fine.

[Jay Oliver]

I went out on this cold winter day and put my new paper shells to good use.

When I bought them, I was thinking that they would be perfect for an early A5 of mine made in 1904. The shells and gun worked perfectly today and I shot 4 boxes. Cycled the gun fine and while I don't shoot this gun often, I should...

Oh and these shells do have a great smell when fired!!!

[Mills Morrison]

The smell of a freshly fired paper shell is the best

[Andrew Sacco]

Man, I love A5's!!

[Jay Oliver]

I just ordered two more cases of these. I know they're pricey, but I just couldn't help myself...I had too much fun shooting on Friday.

I'll shoot a few through a Parker soon too...

[Mark Garrett]

I went out on this cold winter day and put my new paper shells to good use.

When I bought them, I was thinking that they would be perfect for an early A5 of mine made in 1904. The shells and gun worked perfectly today and I shot 4 boxes. Cycled the gun fine and while I don't shoot this gun often, I should...

Oh and these shells do have a great smell when fired!!!

Great stuff !!!

I have 2 early 12ga A5s a 1902 and 1903 . I just purchase 10 boxes to used in these 2 guns.

[Craig Larter]

I would bet these Peter's papers were made by Federal now that they have the same corporate identity. Kinda neat if true.

[Stan Hillis]

The smell of a freshly fired paper shell is the best

Even more so when they were loaded with certain powders. IMR 7625 comes quickly to mind.

[Keith Sirmans]

Mine came in yesterday