CHE ingraving?

[william faulk]

My recently purchased gun is up at Del Grecos repairing the ejectors and general inspection.I will post some pics when I get it back.
Both sides are the usual pointer and setter,very well done.
The bottom however has a leaping stag,not a deer..looks like a European Red Stag.
Has anyone seen this engraving on other guns?I have looked at many pictures and on the webs and have not found this engraving ??
Bill:usa

[Dean Romig]

The stag, and often the hind too, are common engraving subjects on the Grade 4 Parkers.

[Harry Collins]

173847, a CHE 16 gauge with Acme Steel barrels, straight grip, splinter forend and SSBP has a stag on the flore plate. I would love to show pictures. Unfortunatly I sold it some 15 years ago.

Harry

[Dean Romig]

Here's mine, an 1896 CH Bernard gun.

Oh well... can't really see the running stag in the picture but trust me, it's there.





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[james van blaricum]

I have a CHE two barrel set with a Stag on the floor plate. The second set is rifled.

[Dean Romig]

James, what caliber?

[james van blaricum]

My CHE is a 12 bore.

[Dean Romig]

James,

You're saying that both barrel sets are 12 bore and that one set is rifled?

Thanks, Dean

[Bill Murphy]

James, we need to hear more about that gun. I would assume it is Doctor Snavely's old gun. Dr. Snavely was quite proud of it but I don't know if he ever shot bullets out of the rifled barrels.

[David Dwyer]

My CH 10ga also has a stag on the floor plate
David

[william faulk]

My thanks to all..I will send pics as soon as I get back from Del Greco...
The gun now wears the PG stock that was put on gun in 1917 according to Parker records.
I have the original stock as well that was on gun in 1912 when it was shipped.
The original stock also has a cheek piece on it? No record of this in the letter.
No safety on gun..concave rib.
What do you suppose,a live bird shooter or a trap shooter was original owner?

[ED J, MORGAN]

Many of the B grades had the deer on bottom.

[james van blaricum]

Dean, both of the barrels are twelve bore, the one barrel is 31 and the other is 26 in. the rifled barrel has the following engraved on the rib "MFG for C.A. WINSHIP.PALMS. CALIFORNIA,BY PARKER BROS." I will try to get some pictures.

[Dean Romig]

Very interesting. Is the rifled set rifled for the full length of the bores or just in the last four or five inches at the muzzles which would be the choke section on barrels bored for shot?

Dean

[Bill Murphy]

DelGrego.

[Bill Murphy]

James, do you have a PGCA letter on the rifled CHE two barrel set?

[Dean Romig]

Del Grego

[John Dunkle]

Dean, both of the barrels are twelve bore, the one barrel is 31 and the other is 26 in. the rifled barrel has the following engraved on the rib "MFG for C.A. WINSHIP.PALMS. CALIFORNIA,BY PARKER BROS." I will try to get some pictures. Hi Doc.!!!

I'll post the pics for you - no problem at all..

Anyway - Here is Doc's Parker - and the pictures don't do it justice (thank Charlie!! ;) ) and I can say that as I was there when Charlie was taking these pics (I was rummaging through the gun safe to see what else Doc had at the time :eek: - more on that later ;) )....

John

[Harry Collins]

Looks like a Parodox! Just makes you wonder it it went to Africa. Some of the Jungle guns had rifling the last 4" or so. Others had rifling that ran straight from the chamber until the last 2 1/2 or 3"s then took a twist. How is the rifling in this gun?

Harry

[Dean Romig]

OH MY!! Another Grade 4 with roundelle engraving and knurled triggers too!!

Very, very nice - thanks for the pictures.

[james van blaricum]

Rifling goes the full length of the barrells. jvb

[Harry Collins]

Is there anything on the water table to indicate the load? I wonder if there is anything in the order books that would indicate the load. Or would you shoot a Foster type slug common for the day when this gun was made. I wonder how a sabot would preform. Please keep us up to date on this wonderful Parker.

Thanks, Harry

[Chuck Bishop]

Did Del Grego do the case colors and replace the buttstock on Doc's gun? It's a beauty!

[tom tutwiler]

Here's the stag on the bottom of my CH 16.

http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1725/11830643/21431903/352518811.jpg

[Larry Stauch]

Here's the bottom of my 20ga CHE. I think it's more like a cartoon deer than anything else.

Larry

[Bruce Day]

Elk and deer were a common engraving subject on C grades from 1889 through 1900.

1889 CH 10/26 dam and 12/30 Bernard #2 frame set.

[Mark Vollinger]

Here is a CHE 16, with a waterfowl, Ser No 226467. I would welcome a PM from any member who might have had this in their cabinet at one time.

[Dave Suponski]

Mark, That is fantastic! Thank you for posting it.

[Bruce Day]

Mark's new C 16 is typical of C's after the early 20s. After that date, there was almost always a single bird , often a mallard, or a dog. Mallards, swimming, flying, standing were common C engraving subjects. Mark's has a common, and very nice, subject and execution. Gauge didn't seem to make any difference. I've seen 12's with woodcock and 28's with mallards.

After the early 20s, I think most C's were unique. There is always some difference in engraving, at least among the guns I've seen. Before that period, there was a standard C engraving on many but there were still some with unique engraving.

Somebody mentioned the rondell side panel engraving on Doc's 2 barrel set. I have been privileged to handle that gun and have shown photos of it before. In my study of C engraving, about a quarter of the C's made between 1900 and 1905 have the rondell side panel style and it will come with some unique engraving on the bottom. Still, most of the C's between 1900 and the early 20's had a standard five ducks on the bottom and pointer and setter on the sides. You would think that engraving would be mentioned in an order book, but it never is, or rather, I have never seen it mentioned. I guess you got what you got, but a person would think that a person could specify what engraving he wanted.....like a grouse hunter getting a grouse engraved on his special order 20ga.

There is one gun with a spaniel head, another with a sailing ship, and these and others sure look like special order engraving to me. Wonder why we have never been able to find any written record of it. Other guns have extra deep engraving, again no record that I have seen in any order book entry.

[Brad Bachelder]

Here is a couple of picts. hope they help

Brad

[David Dwyer]

Brad
Very nice-did you do the case colors?
David

[Bruce Day]

Vincent Holmes' C Bernard from 1898 that you redid?

12ga on a 1 frame, wasn't it?

[Brad Bachelder]

Yes that is our case work, The gun is a full resto. we could save the forend but the stock had been poorly replaced.
The 1898 12 guage I believe was a 1 frame, but I would have to check our books to confirm.

Brad

[Bill Murphy]

Buried in this thread is a description and pictures of what I think is Dr. Snavely's rifled two barrel set C grade. It is a confusing thread with some doubt as to who owns the gun, Mr. Van Blaricum or Bill Fauld. However, the gun is clearly pictured. Bruce Day seems to know something about the gun also.

[Bill Murphy]

A PGCA letter is available on the rifled gun #118144. No one seems to have ordered that letter.