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Mike Stahle
01-29-2011, 08:08 AM
"Parker VH 16ga, c1916, O-Frame, 2,070 16's made, only 250 were O-Frames"

http://www.gunsamerica.com/969382589/Guns/Shotguns/Parker-Shotguns/Parker_VH_16_ga_O_Frame_c_1916.htm

Dave Suponski
01-29-2011, 08:22 AM
Mike, The seller must know what no one else does. Parker Bros. didn't list frame sizes in the stock books or order books hence there is no data on how many of each frame size were made. Frame sizes were designed to accommodate guns of different gauges first for the physical size needed to build that gun and also to be able to accommodate the many factors involved in building guns to a desired finished weight. I hope this makes sense..:)

Dean Romig
01-29-2011, 08:33 AM
That makes perfect sense Dave. The light 16 ga. Parkers were built on the standard twenty-gauge frame, the 0-frame, otherwise the sixteens were built on the standard for the gauge, the 1-frame.

Rich Anderson
01-29-2011, 10:01 AM
If that number were true it would mean I have 3% of the total production:shock: I would deeply discount the value of that statement.

I wonder if this has been restocked. Look at the initial plate in the stock. The V grades had a shield not an oval.

Eric Eis
01-29-2011, 10:10 AM
If that number were true it would mean I have 3% of the total production:shock: I would deeply discount the value of that statement.

I wonder if this has been restocked. Look at the initial plate in the stock. The V grades had a shield not an oval.

Rich your "Rich" you have cornered the market... :rotf::rotf:

Jay Gardner
01-29-2011, 10:26 AM
Pretty nice stick of wood for a mid-production V. Could it have been a special order? Also, were did the 2,070 figure come from?

Richard Flanders
01-29-2011, 01:07 PM
Don't think I've ever seen a parker stock with such wide wood grain. And the toe of the stock looks suspiciously thin to me. Am I hallucinating? Nice looking gun. Barrel blue looks almost too dark and good to be true.

Dean Romig
01-29-2011, 07:59 PM
Everything about that stock, including the checkering, the shape of the nose of the comb, the perferct wood to metal fit, the inletting of the wood for the spur of the buttplate and the positioning of the oval, looks original PB to me except the oval plate instead of the standard shield for the grade, but a research letter might answer that question... or not.

Bruce Day
01-29-2011, 08:19 PM
The 250 number is absolute fabrication.

The best estimate, and an estimate is all it can be, was based upon a survey of Parker 16's of all grades done a number of years ago. That informal, line of sight survey, was that about 40% of 16's were light ( 0 frame) and about 60% were standard wt ( 1 frame). Some dealers have invented the story that 0 frame 16's are "rare" in order to generate sales interest.

0 frame 16's are popular now, and I believe ( my opinion only) that they are less visible for sale because they are held longer and sold privately or sold quicker than 1's. But those who want a more all round 16, want the 1 frame.

Dave Suponski
01-29-2011, 08:28 PM
Like I said it's all conjecture and best guessing.

Jerry Andrews
01-30-2011, 09:29 AM
Very pleasing looking gun however. Jerry