Not a fine double but an American Classic

[Craig Larter]

I picked up a really clean Remy M-11A circa 1928. 28" full chokes raised solid rib. $56.74 in 1929, unbelievable quality. I wish the side game events at Rock Mountain and the Vintagers allowed pre-WW2 American made autos along with the pump guns events. I would like to acquire a high condition M-11B, D and E.

[charlie cleveland]

the Remington model 11 was a well made gun....looks like were having bacon...charlie

[Bruce Hering]

I have my fathers 20ga. Model 11. (Not the 3 shot sportsman) Its a light, very shootable gun and I have shot a bunch of quail, woodcock and grouse with it. Cyl choke barrel.

I have to agree these guns should be included in the pre WWII shoots.

[Bill Murphy]

My favorite Model 11 is a 20 gauge round top receiver conversion. I don't know who did those conversions, but I suspect Abercrombie and Fitch. I have never seen mention of these guns in old advertising. Maybe someone here has seen an ad for these guns.

[Frank Srebro]

[snip] I wish the side game events at Rock Mountain and the Vintagers allowed pre-WW2 American made autos along with the pump guns events.

I like the concept of an event for vintage semi-autos, but not combining it with a vintage pump gun event. On these side events ….. participants pay to shoot against others with similar guns "for score" and bragging rights so-to-speak. Mike gives a +5 bird handicap to those who shoot pump guns against semis and over/unders at his Handicap shoots at Rock Mountain.

On the other hand those who want to shoot vintage semis or pump guns or anything else just for fun can do that any time they want to at regular prices on sporting clays courses. Score card doesn't matter then. Just sayin .....

[Drew Hause]

No handicap needed for the Remington Autoloading Shotgun ;)

After introduction, it was quickly adopted by trap competitors; didn't hurt to have the great Rolla Heikes and Charles Budd on board (Heikes had used a Remington double to win the 1st 1900 GAH at Targets, and both used Parkers at the 1901 Anglo-American Match)

https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-rNgpbVr/0/11a96463/L/June%209%2C%201906-L.png (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-rNgpbVr/A)

J.J. Banks then won the 1907 GAH

https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-B4wDvkk/0/db95e35e/L/1907%20GAH%20Remington-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-B4wDvkk/A)

And Fred Harlow won in 1908
Forest & Stream July 4 1908
https://books.google.com/books?id=ejQevDPMUIYC&pg=PA27

One of these would be nice; 1910 Norvell-Shapleigh Hdw. catalog

https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-cp2tf2R/0/2ade2f01/XL/1910%20Model%2011%20Norvell-Shapleigh%20Hdw.-XL.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-cp2tf2R/A)

[Dave Noreen]

Norvell-Shapleigh was lagging behind the times. In the 1908 Remington Arms Co. catalog they began offering the Matted Rib on any grade for $7 list price extra. Also the option of 26-inch barrels. By the 1910 Remington Arms Co. catalog they dropped the list price of the Matted Rib to $6.75 and began offering the option of a Ventilated Rib on any grade for $13 list price extra.

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Here is the Model 11A from the first catalog I have showing the cross-bolt safety, circa 1929 Remington Arms Co., Inc. pocket catalog --

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overstamped with the 20-gauge info which was introduced in 1930.

[Dave Noreen]

This from the August 12, 1933, Retail Price List is the nearest complete listing I have to Craig's gun --

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[Brian Dudley]

I have a Model 11 just like that one craig. It is the one model 11 that I kept from the time that I had examples of grades A - E.
I shoot the gun well, I like it a lot.

[Mike Koneski]

I wish the side game events at Rock Mountain and the Vintagers allowed pre-WW2 American made autos along with the pump guns events. I would like to acquire a high condition M-11B, D and E.

So let it be written, solet it be done!! I'm sure we can work in a vintage autoloader event. Must be a pre-WW II manufactured gun to compete. We wouldn't include it with the pump guns though.

Most likely run it as a non-trophy event for the first year and if it gets enough play we'd add a trophy in 2023. We're all about shotgunfun!!

Browning A-5, Remington Model 11, Savage Model 720 and Model 745

[Drew Hause]

https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-j8HJNw5/0/3603d058/L/May%2022%2C%201909-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-j8HJNw5/A)

[CraigThompson]

So let it be written, solet it be done!! I'm sure we can work in a vintage autoloader event. Must be a pre-WW II manufactured gun to compete. We wouldn't include it with the pump guns though.

Most likely run it as a non-trophy event for the first year and if it gets enough play we'd add a trophy in 2023. We're all about shotgunfun!!

Browning A-5, Remington Model 11, Savage Model 720 and Model 745

So just to clarify any Model 11 or A-5 is okay ? Not just those made before 1945 ?

[Mike Koneski]

So just to clarify any Model 11 or A-5 is okay ? Not just those made before 1945 ?

No, 1950 and earlier. No modern Remington, Browning, Savage, etc. only vintage veg-o-matics.

[Ken Descovich]

Here's a model 11D in 12 ga. I haven't shot yet.
Ken

[CraigThompson]

Here's a model 11D in 12 ga. I haven't shot yet.
Ken

Nice we have an 11F at the shop that’s had a Cutts installed and someone had a big kinda square forearm made for it . It’s a 12 gauge which isn’t my first choice but I like it . It’s straight grip as well .

[CraigThompson]

No, 1950 and earlier. No modern Remington, Browning, Savage, etc. only vintage veg-o-matics.

Two classes also ? 12 gauge class and a 16-20 class ?

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, are you sure the big square forearm is not original? The Model 11 skeet model has a big square forearm factory installed. Is the 11F for sale?

[Craig Larter]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/905988542

[Daryl Corona]

Now that's an autoloader I'd be proud to shoot. I actually like Cutt's.

Darn Craig, now I'm going to have to get me one of those antique autoloaders to play with you boys at Mike's.

[Jeff Kuss]

No Mike, I'm not buying another gun to shoot another class!

[CraigThompson]

No Mike, I'm not buying another gun to shoot another class!

I bet if you dig around in some of those closets you just might find you already have something that’ll work :whistle:

[CraigThompson]

Now that's an autoloader I'd be proud to shoot. I actually like Cutt's.

Darn Craig, now I'm going to have to get me one of those antique autoloaders to play with you boys at Mike's.

Cutts I kinda agree with you , but a Polychoke makes me ill . We’ve had that 11F for a little while it’s a nice pointing gun all be it a touch short in the stock .

[Mills Morrison]

Harry shot our Ithaca Model 37 20 gauge with a modified choke for opening dove hunt. Another classic

[Dave Noreen]

That forearm wood is certainly nothing that ever came out of Ilion. The receiver with serial number 230266 was put in work right at the end of 1920. That breechbolt with MODEL 11 on it is from the late 1930s to the end of production.

While one could get a SKEET choked barrel for a Model 11, Remington never catalogued a Model 11 Skeet Gun. The Skeet Gun was a SPORTSMAN.

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[CraigThompson]

That forearm wood is certainly nothing that ever came out of Ilion. The receiver with serial number 230266 was put in work right at the end of 1920. That breechbolt with MODEL 11 on it is from the late 1930s to the end of production.

While one could get a SKEET choked barrel for a Model 11, Remington never catalogued a Model 11 Skeet Gun. The Skeet Gun was a SPORTSMAN.

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The barrel on 230266 is marked FULL in front the barrel engraving . So most certainly it didn’t leave the factory with the Cutts . I didn’t think the forend was factory , but I pulled it off Thursday and it gave me reason to question my original opinion .

[Will Gurton]

Sorry I'm late to the dance guys, but your playing my SONG! Lol

I've been chasing these "Old Battleaxes" for a good number of years.

Craig I'm glad one came along to break the ice with, not literally though!

I live about 25 miles from where J.J Blanks lived in Trezevant, TN.

A good friend of mine actual shot both the gun he won the GAH with in 1907 and the Presentation No.6 Premiere (F) Grade that Remington awarded him with years ago with Jeff J. Jr.

I won't highjack Craig's post with a bunch of photos but can post some if there are any specific requests.

Good luck with your seach for others Craig!

Will

[Drew Hause]

Here's your neighbor Will

https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-tQNtvqv/0/6818fcb7/XL/J.J.%20Banks-XL.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/Remington/i-tQNtvqv/A)

[Will Gurton]

Here are some of my favorite ads from what I call the "Golden" period of Remington Advertising. Which ended in my opinion, even though I love Lynn Bogue Hunt, with the "Bears" campaign!

Enjoy, Will

[Drew Hause]

Aw c'mon Will. You don't like the "Remington Cubs"?!? ;)

1912

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-djpjjzd/0/cbe8d436/L/RemingtonAutoloadingShotgun-1912A-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-djpjjzd/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-vGGZ3Sk/0/ad60d67c/L/rem%20bears%2017-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-vGGZ3Sk/A)

[charlie cleveland]

some great posters I have not seen any of them before...makes me want to get a model 11....charlie

[Dave Noreen]

Will's ads are Remington Arms Co. 1905 to 1910, before the gun was called the Model 11. Drew's are Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. 1911-1916, and I'm kind of surprised they don't say Model 11 as they began calling JMB's gun the Model No. 11 in their 1911-12 catalog.

[Drew Hause]

More "Cubs" for Will ;)
April 14, 1917 "Breeder & Sportsman"

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-tk4WRBv/0/ef331b46/L/Breeder%20%26%20Sportsman%204-14-1917-L.png (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-tk4WRBv/A)

[Drew Hause]

Both from 1910

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-H6zPmZ5/0/7b3579f9/XL/1910UMC-XL.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-H6zPmZ5/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-dcN5D7J/0/1a8806ff/XL/1910UMC6-XL.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-dcN5D7J/A)

[Drew Hause]

A 1936 twofer - a Parker and a Remington Model 11 :)

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-3PxbMCQ/0/5c82275e/XL/1936%20Klenebore-XL.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-3PxbMCQ/A)

[Will Gurton]

I have narrowed my collecting focus to era with round knobs and stock cheeks!

This plays out in about the 1913-14 time period best I can tell from the catalogues and serial number charts.

Even though the first catalogues with the flattened pistol grip also show stock cheeks, I have not seen an A grade example with both and no checkering.

Sorry Craig I will break my promise! Lol

One of the best examples I have come across is an 1908 RAS No. 2 (B) Grade that I picked up years ago.

Enjoy, Will

[Dave Noreen]

A 1936 twofer - a Parker and a Remington Model 11 :)

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-3PxbMCQ/0/5c82275e/XL/1936%20Klenebore-XL.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Vintage-Sporting-Ads/RemingtonUMC/i-3PxbMCQ/A)

Look close at that forearm. That is not as Model 11, it is a Sportsman.

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[Craig Larter]

Will: I have one more 11 that came from Wards by way of Julia's a year or so ago, I'm sure you know the gun 98600. Still looking for a B and E Expert.:)

[Will Gurton]

Sorry I was out of step with you.

Glad you picked up a nice one.

I believe that one came out of Bob Creamer's collection.

I'll keep an eye out!

Will

[CraigThompson]

I’d talked myself into a pair of Model 11’s or A-5’s that were pre 1950. But I made a deal for something else Saturday and that’s gonna kill the gun buying for awhile . Well except maybe for a DH/DHE VH/VHE 20 gauge with 32” tight barrels snd shootable stock dimensions . Yeah I know famous last words , I’m not gonna buy any for awhile or only one more yadda yadda yadda .

[Mills Morrison]

Got outbid this weekend and it is probably for the best.

[Will Gurton]

Last one for the weekend.

From Leap Day, 1908 "American Field" magazine.

This is a testament to John Browning's design and function.

Double-gun reliability!

Will

[CraigThompson]

Well not a Remington Model 11 but I won a Pre War Browning A-5 standardweight 16 gauge A-5 with a 28" plain full choke barrel for use at the Koneski Extraveganza next year !

I'm thinking it might be nice to have two or three classes by gauge perhaps :whistle:

[Drew Hause]

Heikes and some other 'Top Guns' with his Remington Autoloading Shotgun in Sporting Life, March 8, 1913
Gilbert and Crosby were both using Parkers

https://photos.smugmug.com/Shooters/Trapshooting/i-ncXJQgG/0/d27eced0/L/3-8-1913%20b-L.png (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Shooters/Trapshooting/i-ncXJQgG/A)

[CraigThompson]

Heikes and some other 'Top Guns' with his Remington Autoloading Shotgun in Sporting Life, March 8, 1913
Gilbert and Crosby were both using Parkers

https://photos.smugmug.com/Shooters/Trapshooting/i-ncXJQgG/0/d27eced0/L/3-8-1913%20b-L.png (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Shooters/Trapshooting/i-ncXJQgG/A)

I recieved the copy of Dick Baldwins book “The Road to Yesterday” today . Bought it on Fleabay . From leafing thru looking at the pictures saw more than a few Parker doubles and SBT’s . Also saw a few Remington 32’s !

[Bill Murphy]

The gun held by Tom Marshall is probably his Cashmore.

[Will Gurton]

Craig on page 163 it talks about a Model 3200 "One of a Thousand" Remington gave Catfish Hunter for doing some Advertising for them after hitting it big in New York.

Sorry to sidetrack your post Craig!

Will

[Drew Hause]

Craig: you'll probably enjoy this thread
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/the-parker-is-the-leading-trap-gun.231731/

[CraigThompson]

Bought a Remington Model 11 today it’s 12 gauge . By the serial number according to my Remington buddy it was made in the 20’s . Gun has a 30” full choke vent rib barrel . I kinda doubt if the ribs original but who knows .

[Dave Noreen]

Only plain barrels were offered for the Remington Autoloading Shotgun in the 1905-06, both 1906 and the 1907 Remington Arms Co. catalogs. In the 1908 Remington Arms Co. the option of a solid rib for a list price of $7 extra was introduced. In the 1910 catalog the price of the solid rib was dropped to a list price of $6.75 and a ventilated rib was introduced for a list price of $13 extra.

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I have never seen a vent rib with the wide spacing of the rib supports shown in the 1910 catalog.

By the 1911-1912 Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. catalog in which they began calling this John M. Browning designed gun the Model No. 11, the rib supports are shown much closer together.

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That is how they remained for the rest of production. Here in the 1923 Remington Arms Co., Inc, catalog.

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[Will Gurton]

"I have never seen a vent rib with the wide spacing of the rib supports shown in the 1910 catalog." - Dave Noreen

Great eye for detail Dave, I had never picked up on that though I have looked at it many times.

I have the earliest Vent Rib that I have run across on a RAS No. 3 (Trap Grade) SN 99,258 which puts it at the end of 1910 production by Jim Tipton's tabulations.

It has the same alternating cuts side to side as the later guns. It may have been there earliest attempts at the vent that did not have the alternating more supported milling.

Probably didn't take long for one to fall in a duck blind somewhere and break a section out like Vic Render's 31!

Or it could have been artistic license to highlight the ventilation early on by some slick Remington Advertising Manager! Lol

Back on Task CL!

Will

[CraigThompson]

The Model 11 12 gauge 30” vent rib full choke showed up today .

[Dave Noreen]

Nice example of a vent rib Model 11. "The Remington Arms Union Metallic Ctg. Co., Inc." was the company name from mid-1916 to August 1920, when it became Remington Arms Co., Inc.

[Craig Larter]

Craig-Nice looking model 11

[CraigThompson]

Craig-Nice looking model 11

Thank you sir ! I got it on GB and to be honest the metal looked a good deal better in person than in the sellers pictures . Wood has plenty bruises etc but overall I believe it to be in rather good mechanical shape .

[charlie cleveland]

bet she shoot s good lets us know...charlie

[Bruce Hering]

Love the "11" except for that "widow maker" maker safety. My 12ga has it. Glad my 20ga has a push button.

[CraigThompson]

Picked up a barrel for the Model 11 from an auction in Texas I believe it was . Anyway it’s a plain no rib full choke barrel but 32” . A friend in the Remington Society seems to think that length is a bit harder to come by .

[Stan Hillis]

I've been looking for a 30" full choke ribbed barrel for my Grandad's 16 ga. for so many years I can't recall when I started. I inherited it after he died. It's exactly the way it was the last time he hunted it. I don't have the heart to restore it. Functions perfectly.

I may take it out and try it on doves later this season. I haven't shot it since he died in 1975.

[John Dallas]

Try corsonsbarrels.com. Looks like they have a lot of barrels for sale

[Dave Noreen]

The introduction of the JMB designed Remington Autoloading Shotgun in the 1905-06 Remington Arms Co. catalog showed only two barrel lengths, 28-inch plain barrel on the No. 1 "Standard" Grade to No. 6 "Premier" Grade and 20-inch for the No. 0 "Riot" Grade. By the 1906 catalogs the option of a 26-inch barrel was added to the No. 1 to 6. Those remained the lengths through the last The Remington Arms Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Inc. catalog in 1920. The first Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalog in late 1920 includes 30-inch barrels for the Model 11, but both the pump guns the Models 10 and 17 were offered with 26-, 28-, 30- & 32-inch barrels.

The big 1923 Remington Arms Co., Inc. again only offers 26- and 28-inch barrels for the Model 11 and includes the following --
"Our experiments show the Remington Autoloading Shotgun, fitted with the standard 28-inch full choke barrel shoots just as hard and just as close as any other type of shotgun. WE DO NOT FURNISH A LONGER BARREL THAN THIS."

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The Remington Shotguns pocket catalog, circa 1925, also only offers 26- and 28-inch barrels for the Model 11.

The 1929 Remington Arms Co. Inc. catalog that introduces the Model 11 with the new cross-bolt safety lists barrels in 26-, 28-, 30- & 32-inch.

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By the 1938 catalogs they give all the different barrel options --

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but by then they don't show 32-inch barrels for the 16- and 20-gauges.

[John Dallas]

Dave you are an unbelievable resource. Thanks

[Stan Hillis]

Try corsonsbarrels.com. Looks like they have a lot of barrels for sale

Thanks, John. I've been checking with Corson's, and with BarrelExchange.com, for years. I've never yet seen one offered. I will keep trying, though. BTW, is there a resource available whereby I could check the serial number of Grandad's gun for date of manufacture?

[Brian Dudley]

I've been looking for a 30" full choke ribbed barrel for my Grandad's 16 ga. for so many years I can't recall when I started. I inherited it after he died. It's exactly the way it was the last time he hunted it. I don't have the heart to restore it. Functions perfectly.

I may take it out and try it on doves later this season. I haven't shot it since he died in 1975.

Cruse Ebay for model 11 barrels every few weeks. You never know what may pop up. In the last year or two I have gotten a few pretty nice and rare 11 barrels off there.

[Dave Noreen]

BTW, is there a resource available whereby I could check the serial number of Grandad's gun for date of manufacture?

The 16-gauge was introduced in 1931. Model 11 16-gauge serial numbers began at 1500000, and 16-gauge The Sportsman serial numbers began at S200000. After a while they dropped the S and on September 28, 1937, they dropped the separate serial number sequence for the 16-gauge The Sportsman and from then to 1948 they were numbered together in the Model 11 serial numbers. I have always suspected dropping the separate serial number sequences for The Sportsman was the result of DuPont efficiency experts getting to Ilion.

If it was made before WW-II, we have the old factory ledger which would give the month the receiver with that serial number was put in work, and there should also be a date code on the barrel.

[Phil Yearout]

My late FIL shot a 12ga Model 11; he bought it from the estate of an uncle who was a very small man and he'd had the stock cut down to fit him. Jess never bothered to change it, but man, could he shoot it! I know what they say about the importance of gun fit, but...

[Dave Noreen]

My Father bought a 12-gauge 30-inch full The Sportsman for $35 in 1938 with his employee discount at Seattle Hardware. He always lamented the Parker in their window display which he said he could have bought for $100!! The Sportsman was his waterfowl gun until the early 1960s when he succumbed to Jack O'Connor's short barrel writings and had it whacked to 26-inch with a Poly-Choke. Within a year or two The Sportsman was gone and he had a 2-frame 30-inch VH 12-gauge as his waterfowl gun, which still resides in my gunroom.

In 2002 after I retired and was cleaning out our house in Seattle getting it ready to sell, I found the leather takedown case he made for The Sportsman, so I had to buy one to go in it!! Of course once I had the 12-gauge, I needed a 16- and 20-gauge.

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[charlie cleveland]

good storey and some really nice model 11 s....charlie

[Dave Noreen]

They are all The Sportsman --

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While 99% of the time I hunt with a double, on 27 October 2006 I took my 16-gauge, 26-inch, solid rib, improved cylinder, The Sportsman out and was presented with the perfect opportunity for a triple.

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Full disclosure, earlier that day I poked holes in the air three times around a single rooster!!

My 20-gauge is a 28-inch plain barrel modified. I got a 26-inch vent ribbed SKEET barrel for it from Destry. I consider it my Bob Stack memorial gun.

[Daryl Corona]

Dave,

Is that the late, great Skitso? Looking pretty protective over those birds.

[Dave Noreen]

Yes, that is her. Here she is watching me fish in Alaska in 2013 --

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Unfortunately, she felt obligated to get in the water and help land fish!!

[Stan Hillis]

The 16-gauge was introduced in 1931. Model 11 16-gauge serial numbers began at 1500000, and 16-gauge The Sportsman serial numbers began at S200000. After a while they dropped the S and on September 28, 1937, they dropped the separate serial number sequence for the 16-gauge The Sportsman and from then to 1948 they were numbered together in the Model 11 serial numbers. I have always suspected dropping the separate serial number sequences for The Sportsman was the result of DuPont efficiency experts getting to Ilion.

If it was made before WW-II, we have the old factory ledger which would give the month the receiver with that serial number was put in work, and there should also be a date code on the barrel.

Thanks you so much, Dave. I'll get it out tomorrow and check the serial number. "I'll be back........." :bigbye:

[CraigThompson]

Just picked up a pair of Model 11’s on GB . The first was a Sportsman 20 gauge with the short tube and a 28” plain full choke barrel . The other also a Sportsman but a16 gauge with the full length magazine and a solid rib barrel that someone put a doggy dick on years ago . Think I have a plain full choke barrel lined up for the 16 . The A-5 16 I bought earlier will most likely go in the rack at the shop .

[CraigThompson]

Bear in mind these are GB pictures and the guns obviousely are not in my hands yet .

First the 16 solid rib gun with the damn doggy dick on the end of the barrel . Then the 20 . By the pics the 16 seems to be in nicer condition . And again I blame Frank and Mike for my buying these things :rotf:

[charlie cleveland]

pretty nice shooting irons...charlie

[CraigThompson]

pretty nice shooting irons...charlie

Only if I can break targets with them :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[charlie cleveland]

you ll do fine a model 11 was my best shooting iron....charlie

[Dave Noreen]

The other also a Sportsman but a16 gauge with the full length magazine and a solid rib barrel that someone put a doggy dick on years ago .

With the two-shell magazine the gun is The Sportsman, with the four-shell magazine it is a Model 11. The 16-gauge is a Model 11, even says so on the left side of the receiver between the Remington TRADE MARK and the serial number --

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When The Sportsman was first introduced in 20-gauge (1930) and 16- & 12-gauges (1931) it came with a three-bird roll-stamping on each side of the receiver --

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The Model 11 A, B & C grades continued to be built with a plain receiver --

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In the middle of the 1930s they reduced the roll-stamping to one bird on each side of the receivers and started putting it on the Model 11 receivers as well as The Sportsman.

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[Bill Murphy]

I searched for decades for a mint 20 gauge Sportsman skeet with original beavertail, hard butt, and vent rib. I finally found one. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a Parsons market hunter's magazine in 20 gauge to go with my skeet gun.

[Stephen Hodges]

Remington used to be a great gun company. My first "dream shotgun" was a 1983 Remington Model 1100 with a vent rib, 28" barrel and a modified choke. I shot many ducks, pheasants, grouse and woodcock with that gun and it is still my favorite in my gun safe. With warts and all.:) At one point I was going to have the gun totally refinished to make it "pretty" again. The smith I took it to do the work took one look at the gun and told me that if it was his he would keep it in its used condition and recall how it got there. I took his storied advise and am glad i did!

[Will Gurton]

I searched for decades for a mint 20 gauge Sportsman skeet with original beavertail, hard butt, and vent rib. I finally found one. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a Parsons market hunter's magazine in 20 gauge to go with my skeet gun.

Bill you can just get a Model 11 20 with a skeet barrel and pull the plug out so you can shoot 5 times at them if you need it. (Just Kidding)

I don't think you'll ever find an extension for a Sportsman 20, 16, or 12ga. The forearm and Magazine bolt will prevent it.

Will

[CraigThompson]

Are the barrels interchangeable between the regular model 11 and the Sportsman version ?

[Will Gurton]

Craig,

I believe they are but I am no Sportsmen expert.

Be careful with low serial number barrels as they we mostly fitted at the factory.

I don't believe you can go wrong with one of the later barrels that has the milling on the grey extension to save weight.

Will

[CraigThompson]

Craig,

I believe they are but I am no Sportsmen expert.

Be careful with low serial number barrels as they we mostly fitted at the factory.

I don't believe you can go wrong with one of the later barrels that has the milling on the grey extension to save weight.

Will

I have a 20 gauge Sportsman and bought a 20 gauge 11 last night. When the one I bought last night arrives I’ll see if the barrels interchange .

[Bruce Hering]

I have a 20 gauge Sportsman and bought a 20 gauge 11 last night. When the one I bought last night arrives I’ll see if the barrels interchange .

Craig: I may be wrong here but, I think the barrel loop that fits over the mag tube is in a different location. I am interested to see what you find out.

[CraigThompson]

The Model 11 20 gauge arrived today . I’m going to take the Sportsman in tommorrow and see if the barrels swap . The new one needs a new spring something to do with the trigger assembly and it’s already ordered from Numrich . Other than this spring deal the gun looks in very decent to good shape .

[Dave Noreen]

Nice looking early 20-gauge.

[CraigThompson]

Nice looking early 20-gauge.

Thanks ! Dave do you have a list of Model 11 serial numbers by year ? I’d like to date this one snd the 16 I have . I assume the 16 is newer as it has the roll stamp like a Sportsman .

[Dave Noreen]

The old factory ledger states that receiver was put in work, along with about 7200 others, between May 3, and June 14, 1930. The code on the barrel PY P = June and Y = 1930.

[CraigThompson]

Here are both sides the barrel on the model 11 16 . I don’t think they have the letters .

[Craig Larter]

My latest Remington Auto Shotgun Tournament grade 12ga 28" plain barrel Circa 1910. The chip in the butt plate is repaired.

[Stephen Hodges]

Craig, beautiful guns for sure! But a discussion of the Model 11 certainly needs an honorable mention of her cousin, the Browning Auto 5:) Here are my two, a 1959 second year light 20 with a 28" Vent Rib Mod barrel, and a 1962 Sweet 16, with a 26" Vent Rib Mod barrel. Both in original condition. The 1962 and older guns were rust blued and had the reddish stocks, both of which I prefer.

[Mike Koneski]

Nice looking gun you have there Craig!

[CraigThompson]

Craig, beautiful guns for sure! But a discussion of the Model 11 certainly needs an honorable mention of her cousin, the Browning Auto 5:) Here are my two, a 1959 second year light 20 with a 28" Vent Rib Mod barrel, and a 1962 Sweet 16, with a 26" Vent Rib Mod barrel. Both in original condition. The 1962 and older guns were rust blued and had the reddish stocks, both of which I prefer.

I had kinda gotten over the A-5 thing and had pared them down to just a MAG12 . But they started this pre 1960 event at Rock Mountain so I bought some more guns mostly 11’s but two more A-5’s . The standard weight 16 with the funky safety will most likely go down the road but a couple three months ago I picked up a circa 1969 A-5 20 Magnum , I actually like the later flat knob guns a skoosh more . This ones 26” IC .

[Mills Morrison]

I've got an A-5 two barrel set - skeet and full - and that is all I need. It is a 12 gauge.

[CraigThompson]

I've got an A-5 two barrel set - skeet and full - and that is all I need. It is a 12 gauge.

Throw a Light 20 or Sweet 16 up some time it feels a bit different . I’ve got three barrels for the 12 Mag although ones a Hastings rifled barrel . But that thing feels like a club compared to the Light 20 or even this 20 Mag . I had a Light 12 with 26” IC barrel that pointed nicely , but I always noticed the slightly heavier feel of the gun .

[Bill Murphy]

Is a Browning automatic with a square knob stock really an A-5? :nono::nono:

[Will Gurton]

Is a Browning automatic with a square knob stock really an A-5? :nono::nono:

What about this one Bill? Enjoy Will

[Stephen Hodges]

What about this one Bill? Enjoy Will

If I ever find a decent straight grip it will be mine:whistle:

[CraigThompson]

Is a Browning automatic with a square knob stock really an A-5? :nono::nono:

If it says made in Belgium I’m okay with it .

[Bill Murphy]

That straight grip is awesome. I don't have one, but I want one.

[charlie cleveland]

I ve only got alight weight 20 ga with 2 barrels a 26 cly and a 28 modified....I don t know if its as nice as these guns showed here but it s close....I do have a barrel 32 inch 12 ga that I plan to reunite to a light weight 12 ga some day......belong to my dad some body stole the gun withs its 26 imp. cly barrel....charlie

[Will Gurton]

That straight grip is awesome. I don't have one, but I want one.

Thanks Bill.

It's 1903 Trap Grade in the 2xxx SN range.

Blessed to able to care for it a while.

Will

[Craig Larter]

Will I still consider myself a learning student when it comes to Remington automatic shotguns. Your Trap is very handsome but why no cheeks on the head of the stock? Also, I was under the impression that 1905 was the first year of production?

[Stephen Hodges]

Craig, I think his gun is a Browning Auto 5, not a Remington Model 11

[Craig Larter]

Thanks Steve, my error, still learning. Craig

[Will Gurton]

Will I still consider myself a learning student when it comes to Remington automatic shotguns. Your Trap is very handsome but why no cheeks on the head of the stock? Also, I was under the impression that 1905 was the first year of production?

Sorry Craig,

The conversation got highjacked to Brownings and I followed the current.

Stephen is correct.

The first is an Ad in an Oct. 1903 Western Field and the second (pardon the rotation) is a 1903 FN Browning A5 Catalog photo.

Will