Remington 1894 FE on the course

[Frank Srebro]

Two pics of my Remmy 1894 F Grade Trap gun with ejectors on a sporting course today. A new-to-me gun and the first time we were out. 12-gauge of course with steel 30" barrels and chokes at 33 and 37 points of constriction. Chokes are about 5 to 5-1/2" long and full tapered to the muzzles. She shoots high of course and sure makes smokeballs even at longish range. Kind of interesting, she's one of the earliest F Grades made as I recall in 1905-06 and was patterned with #7 shot as indicated with (7.) stamped on the barrel lug. Ordered for live birds?

I was telling my buds today, maybe Ill try qualifying for Remington at the Fox - Parker Challenge this year. :rotf:

[Dave Noreen]

Sweet!! I'm very fond of my FE-Grade Trap even thought it has an after market beavertail. The story I got from Jerry Smith when I bought it was it had been the gun of an old Pennsylvania live bird shooter for whatever that is worth.

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The grip on my gun is quite thick, as is the comb, but everything about the stock looks 100% Remington.

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Overall heavier stock than my other Remington Hammerless Doubles.

From the 1909 Remington Arms Co. catalog --

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I first start seeing the FE Trap Guns in the 1329xx range and quite a few in the 133xxx & 134xxx range then another bunch in the 138xxx & 139xxx range. The "Grade F.E. for Trap Shooting" first appears in the 1905-06 Remington Arms Co. catalog.

[Stan Hillis]

Wow! Very nice, Frank. Five to five and a half-inch full tapered chokes!

That's a beauty.

[CraigThompson]

I like the straight grip ! I bought a 16 gauge 1900 at Rock Mountain and am working on a deal for an 1894 10 gauge . I’d never paid much attention to Remington doubles other than 32’s and to a lesser degree 3200’s but a fellow I shoot with regularly collects Remington O/U’s and SxS’s . And over the course of watching him shoot them I kinda thought I needed a 16 and perhaps the 10 .

[CraigThompson]

My Remington collector buddy has two F Traps . But the other Sunday on the way back from Prospect Hall Mr. Hall and I stopped at Clark Brothers in Warrenton VA and they had what I thought and they said was another F Trap so I sent my friend a text and the day after he went snd bought it . According to him it was an 1894 Pigeon not an F Trap . I think he’s going to bring the gun Friday to shoot at Old Forge along with another REM 12 . If he does I’ll take a couple pictures .

[CraigThompson]

I first start seeing the FE Trap Guns in the 1329xx range and quite a few in the 133xxx & 134xxx range then another bunch in the 138xxx & 139xxx range. The "Grade F.E. for Trap Shooting" first appears in the 1905-06 Remington Arms Co. catalog.

My Remington friend claims they made a gun similar to the FE called a pigeon gun before they coined the F Trap term . He also claimed they changed from Pigeon to F Trap because even in the very early 1900’s the animal rights folks were getting started . This gun he just got has no safety and had 32” fluid steel barrels .

[Dave Noreen]

In the first 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalog they listed straight grip CEO-, DEO- and EEO-Grade 12-gauges as Pigeon Guns, except they list CE-, DE- and EE-grades.

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By the second 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalog they cleaned up the listing --

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By the 1903-04 Remington Arms Co. catalog the same guns are Trap Guns --

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Same in the 1904-05 catalog. By the 1905-06 catalog the we have that listing --

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and the new lower priced gun --

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For 1906 Remington was on a Trap Gun roll with their man William Heer posting the high average for the year --

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Also in 1905 Remington Arms Co. introduced another Trap Gun --

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which will win the GAH in both 1907 and 1908.

[Reggie Bishop]

Beautiful gun Frank! What is not to like about that one!

[Frank Srebro]

Thanks everyone. I had some questions and will answer them here. This 1894 is mid 1329xx range and while I don't have Semmer's book handy right now as I recall that serial is dated 1905. Stock dims are 1-3/8 by 2 by 14" LOP over the Remington rubber plate. Barrel legend shows "Trap Gun F Grade". Ejectors are in perfect time and will throw paper or plastic empties 8-10 feet to land within inches of each other. Chambers measure a tad short of 2-3/4", call that 1/32" short using a precision gauge made on the lathe. Weight 8.0 pounds on my digital scale.

Yesterday I was shooting a cleanup of random reloads to include Federal papers 1-ounce with 700-X powder, also Rem Game Clubs 1-ounce with "PB" powder, and Game Clubs loaded with 7/8 ounce ahead of Alliant E3. Primers were Winchester, Fiocchi and Cheddite respectively and the Remmy was harder to open with the Winchesters owing to firing pin/tip drag. Same as many Fox guns and that's why I rarely use Winchester 209's in reloads intended for a variety of vintage SxS's. As I'd written she shot a little high as compared with my regular sporting double-guns but after firing at a tree top to check POI and adjusting/getting into the Remmy she did pretty well. :cool:

Craig, some months ago I also came into a 1900 K Remington in 16b, 28" damascus made with upland stock dims and chokes at 7 and 21 points, about IC and I-Mod. Really nice shape and weight 6-9. I'll be trying her out on clays and then birds this fall. :)

For those who will be at the Vintage Gunners Cup at Hausmann's, Steve Barnett Fine Guns will be exhibiting and there are a ton of Remington 1894 and 1900 doubles on the SBFG site. A phone call to August there in the shop can probably arrange to get one or more brought to Hidden Hollow for inspection. Just sayin.

[CraigThompson]

Craig, some months ago I also came into a 1900 Remington in 16b, 28" damascus made with an upland stock dims and chokes at 7 and 21 points, about IC and I-Mod. Really nice shape and weight 6-9. I'll be trying her out on clays and then birds this fall. :)
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Frank the one I have came from a mutual friend of yours and mine , matter of fact I think you were standing there when I told him I’d take the gun . Anyway the one I got seems to be IC-M . I shot it at skeet the following Tuesday and I shot it well . Gun also was smoking at skeet doubles from 3-4 and 5 . Just got the 16 and 20 gauge attachments for my newly acquired micrometer bore/choke gauge today so now I’m capable for 10 thru 20 , perhaps this weekend I’ll get the little gun out and take a measurement .

[Dave Noreen]

I shot several limits of Shenandoah Valley Doves with my 1909 vintage 28-inch barrel 16-gauge KE-Grade back in the late 1990s but it has been a safe queen since I moved west. Too many new toys to blood!! My notes show the gun weighs a fraction of an ounce under 7 pounds with .024" choke in both barrels. Lug is stamped 288 right and 293 left. Assuming the 16-gauges were targeted with 1 ounce of #8s (I've yet to see a 16-gauge hang-tag) -- 288/409 = 70.4%, 293/409 = 71.6%.

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[Mike Koneski]

Frank's Remmy looks nicer in person than it does in photos! When the muzzles are in the right place they turn targets into diesel smoke.

[Craig Larter]

Frank beautiful Remy! Love the straight grip and checkering that run so far back, very classy.

[Mike Franzen]

Another beautiful gun Frank!

[Daryl Corona]

You know how I feel about straight grip guns, any maker, any gauge. That is one of the nicest Remingtons I've seen. Hope to see it soon.