Connecticut Fox shotguns

[John Bastiani]

I was looking at a Fox 28 gauge (FE grade) made by Connecticut shotgun. Has anybody owned or know the particulars of these shotguns? The pictures look nice on the internet but usually don't tell the whole story. Does the engraving and case look as good in person and is the engraving done by hand? Are these guns mechanically sound with any problems? I haven't seen one of these in person but for $30000+ I'd like to make sure they are worth the money. Thanks!

[Dean Romig]

They are beautifully fitted and finished Fox shotguns. I love them, I just can't afford them.

I know Rich Anderson has one or two and Larry Frey had one some years back.

Of any non-Parker gun I would would be proud to own a 28 ghauge CSMC Fox.





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[Bobby Cash]

Here's a DE 28 with interchangeable forends for either 28" or 30" barrels

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[Bob Jurewicz]

They are GREAT guns!! Everything is top quality. And most importantly they are great shooters.
Bob Jurewicz
PS Bobby Cash (Pay Dirt) has a great CE 2 barrel set for sale here and on GI.

[Garry L Gordon]

Perfectly fit, well balanced, and with beautiful engraving. I've owned my 16 gauge XE for many years and it is a very well made gun. I visited Tony at his factory and saw the guns being made. It was worth the plane fare.

If you are going to get one, order one with your own specifications. I had my dog engraved on the bottom of the receiver, and the gun was made to be under 6 lbs. with 29 inch barrels -- just as I requested.

[Terry Hobson]

I’ve had a 20 gauge XE that I ordered in 1994. I have hunted it hard all these years. Just had it brought back to new by CSMC last year. Glad I purchased it.

[Bobby Cash]

16 gauge

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[Robert Brooks]

I had a 20 gauge CE years ago and very nice gun. Bobby

[John Bastiani]

Thanks for the replies! These look like they are very nice well built guns that also preform in the field as well. Seems from your post that all of you were more than satisfied.

[Garry L Gordon]

Sorry, John, I know I'm beating the dead horse, but here are a couple of shots of my CSMC Fox 16 (and a blue/dusky grouse taken with it from a trip to Montana).

[John Bastiani]

Sorry, John, I know I'm beating the dead horse, but here are a couple of shots of my CSMC Fox 16 (and a blue/dusky grouse taken with it from a trip to Montana).

Your not hurting my feelings. I could look and admire guns like this all day. I have never owned a Fox but after viewing these pictures-I may have to find a way to get one into my collection. Galazon and his team look to have put alot of effort into producing these guns.

[Bob Jurewicz]

John,
Here is a little Grade "Special" in 410:
Bob Jurewicz

[Bobby Cash]

I would say comparing a CSM Fox to a Original Fox, is like comparing a Parker Repro to a Original Parker, they are good Guns, but still Repro's!Harry

Just curious why a Remington Parker is not a repro?

[Craig Larter]

I have owned mine for 20 plus years. Purchased it new. I have hunted the gun extensively from Canada to Argentina. One ejector guide pin broke and the front trigger pull got light, both fixed within weeks and returned NC.

[Terry Hobson]

I would agree on ordering one if I was going to spend upwards of $30K. Get the gun specked exactly as you want it. Not sure of the wait time on a FE, but XE and DE grades are estimated at a 9 month delivery. Life time guarantee.
I have never owned a Philly or Savage Fox , but not sure as to why they would be superior other than nostalgia.

[Garry L Gordon]

It is my understanding that Parker Reproductions were marketed as such. That is certainly one reason whey we still have this discussion. I often wonder how we would view and characterize those guns if they had not been marketed as "reproductions." The term original carries its own interpretations.

What we call Parker Reproductions are well made guns. Parkers made after the acquisition by Remington are well made guns. The A. H. Fox guns made in New Britain are well made guns.

[Dean Romig]

Because Production never STOPPED ! Same with Savage made Fox's.
Let's see, some thing like 35 -40 years between Original Fox's and CSM made Fox's. I have Heard CSM Has (Owns) the rights to Parker Shotguns. If CSM starts making them again, will those "Parkers" be "Original's ?Harry


The enlarged and italicized part of Harry's quote is the true key to the argument or any discussion suggesting Remington Parkers and Savage Foxes as being "reproductions."

And then we have the "Parker Reintroduction" by Remington in the 80's and then the Remington-authorized Parkers made by CSMC...
These seem to be a subjective matter of interpretation and I think it all boils down to semantics.


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[Bobby Cash]

Because Production never STOPPED ! Same with Savage made Fox's.
Let's see, some thing like 35 -40 years between Original Fox's and CSM made Fox's. I have Heard CSM Has (Owns) the rights to Parker Shotguns. If CSM starts making them again, will those "Parkers" be "Original's ?Harry

So post war Superposed are reproductions ?
I'm confused :confused:

[Dave Noreen]

My comment has always been that Tony's Ansley H. Fox doubles are the ones Ansley wished he could have made and sold.

[Garry L Gordon]

Who knows what Ansley would have said -- none of us do(!) -- but I cannot help but think that the innovator that Ansley was would not have admired what a CNC machine would do. It's an endless argument. Choose your sides and agree to disagree.

[Terry Hobson]

Well I don’t view “copying it” In a negative or derogatory way. How many companies “copied” 1911 hand guns, the A-5 and others were made by FN then Miroku, I believe Roy Weatherby had his rifles/actions manufactured by different firms but it still was a Weatherby gun.

I believe Tony came to some sort of agreement with savage when he started producing them. I also think you can or could order a new Parker through Remington, but CSMC would build it.

The lines get sort of blurry with this stuff. I am content to view my CSMC gun as a Fox in every sense of the word.

[Bill Murphy]

Harry, CSMC is building AAHE grade Parkers as we speak and has one offered on Guns International. I have no idea how these guns are built. All the mentioned guns are being sold for high prices, so they must have something to offer. I can't afford a CSMC Fox but I do own and shoot a CSMC Model 21 .22 rifle that I enjoy owning and shooting. Now there is a gun worth discussing. I think Tony has quit making them, at least for now.

[Bobby Cash]

Bill, I know and said CSM-Guns are Good Guns, I SAID CSM Fox Guns are not original FOX-GUNS! Harry

'Cause of the big one, right :confused:

[Russell E. Cleary]

There has arisen on this thread a debate that has followed John’s initial inquiry about the mechanics, engraving, and value of the CSMC Fox guns. The discussion, however digressive, as been illuminating and I have been informed by it. Notable is that at no point has anyone imputed anything but quality to the New Britain Fox guns.

Whatever the iteration under consideration, the following quote, although originally written about a very different kind of object, could be applied to all of the guns being discussed, new or old:

“In these times of hype, of put-on, of illusion and of delusion, how we yearn for something genuine, for the real thing, for a tangible, living symbol that there is continuity, that what came before us and what is now and what may lie ahead are not all smoke and mirrors!”

-- Joseph E. Garland (1922-2011), Gloucester, Massachusetts journalist and historian

[George Davis]

A. H. Fox shotguns in my opinion are the "best" value today in the American side by side market. You can find a original in good condition for a reasonable price and recently someone posted series of pictures of an upgrade project on a Fox. Additional CSMC will make you a brand new Fox so for us in who enjoying shooting our FOXES we all win.

[Bill Murphy]

There has been discussion that some CSMC Foxes were made with cast frames rather than forged steel frames. What is the deal with that? If there are cast frames, is there a problem with them and how do we identify them?

[Terry Hobson]

Yes, when I did the plant tour in 94 I remember discussing the frames. They were investment cast, I remember seeing a bin of them. I think that is the same method used for the ruger red label. At any rate I haven’t had any problems due to this on my gun.
I believe they are now from forgeings. I don’t know what the practical differences would be.

[Bill Murphy]

I wonder when the cast receivers were made and can they be identified by serial number?

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