Parker SB Trap Guns

[Kurt Densmore]

Measured the choke constriction of my SC yesterday. It is 0.045" and about 5 inches long. Is this pretty typical ?

I do know that if I shoot too early I often times miss the target. It works great for the Annie Oakley shoot, will break them at the 27 yard line and the target nearly on the ground........if I do my part.

[John Dallas]

I shot a Fox with .044" constriction in the 2nd barrel over the weekend. Same story. I ended up with some LOOONG shots when I forgot that there was a second trigger. Birds still broke well (once I stopped swearing at Double triggers in 10 degree weather)

[Bill Murphy]

Kurt, what is the bore diameter of your single with the .045 constriction?

[Dave Suponski]

Kurt, My SC has about .038 constriction with about 5" of choke. My son Danny loves to let them get out there and then break'em

[Bill Murphy]

My favorite is a 34" straight grip SC. Nothing sleeker than a long barrel single with a long straight grip stock sitting in the rack. It looks like a fifties rocket ship ready to blast off. I shot a round of skeet with it a couple of weeks ago.

[Jeff Kuss]

Bill,
That must have been like shooting skeet with a rifle!
Jeff

[Ed Blake]

I keep telling myself I don't need a SBT, but they are very cool. And Eightbore is right about the lines of a long barreled single trap. I winch at some of those modern trap shooting contraptions. No soul at all.

[Dave Suponski]

I really think you need one of these great guns Ed....:rolleyes:

[George Lander]

A refinished Parker SBT SN 180421 with 34 inch barrels just sold at Greg Martin's auction last weekend. Brought @ $3,173 with the vig. I believe that it was an SC Grade although it was described in the catalogue as: "Parker Brothers Single-Sho Boxlock Hammerless Skeet Gun" How's that for an accurate description? (the silver oval escutcheon marked: Nov./L.J. Benge/1919)

Best Regards, George

[Patrick Lien]

Measured the choke constriction of my SC yesterday. It is 0.045" and about 5inches long. Is this pretty typical ?


Kurt,
The chokes in my SBT gun's are over 6" long. Not as tight as yours but LONG.

Patrick

[Chuck Bishop]

My SC Trap 32" barrel is choked at .040. My LC Olympic SB is choked at .039, and my M12 (1960) is choked at .036. Guess they liked them tight in those days pre plastic wads.

[Kurt Densmore]

Kurt, what is the bore diameter of your single with the .045 constriction?

If I used the bore gauge correctly then I come up with .740, mfg 1924.

[Chuck Bishop]

Kurt, just FYI but I had a well known Parker collector approach me after looking at my SC and asked me if I knew my vent rib was loose. He pointed out that where the vent rib starts at the front of the chamber area, the solder had released. You can pull up on the rib and feel it move. He said this was not uncommon on Parker SBT's. I did notice that a small spot of the bluing is worn off where the rib makes contact but never gave it a thought that there was a problem. Not structurely important so it's not worth fixing. Just thought you may want to check your's.

[Dave Suponski]

Chuck, Funny you should mention that. Dean shot my SBT on New Years Day in NH. After he shot it he showed me that the rib was slightly loose at the breech. I have probably put 100's of shells through it without noticing. I was debating getting it fixed. I wonder how many of these guns are like that?

[Bill Murphy]

Great looking SC. The Jenkins?? pad is a real piece of trapshooting history. Don't replace that pad.

[Kurt Densmore]

QUOTE=Bill Murphy;33366]Great looking SC. The Jenkins?? pad is a real piece of trapshooting history. Don't replace that pad.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is a Jenkins. When I got the gun it wasn't fit all that well and the yellow line was indistinguishable from the rest of the pad. A little bit of sanding and it looks really nice. It is a neat pad. Deep green and yellow is a little out of the ordinary for a pad. I do wish that it was stocked a little higher. Maybe I should have the stock bent.

Does a .740 bore sound about right or has it been cleaned out some ??

Kurt

[Austin W Hogan]

My 34 inch SC is .733 /.700 My SB was .731/.694. The SB was undoubtedly a 27 yard Handicap gun; there is a note about the pattern; 320 of No 71/2 at 40 yards.

Best, Austin

[Larry Frey]

Like Kurt and Dave my 34" SG, SC came to me with a loose rib. I thought at the time it was uncommon but now? That gun also had very long choke of .042. You just have to be patient and let the clays get out there a little and then turn them to dust.

[Dave Suponski]

I measured the bore on my 30" 1938 SC. It,s .729 with .038 of choke 5'' long

[Bill Murphy]

Kurt, Austin and I have both commented in the past about Parker competition guns that have bores larger than the nominal .729. The Parker order books are full of requests to make patterns tighter, clean up bores, you name it. Your gun could have been returned to PB to tighten the pattern. The easiest way for them to tighten the pattern is to enlarge the bore without enlarging the choke area. However, there seems to be some evidence that some singles were originally manufactured with large bores.

[FRANK HALSEY]

OK You just made me check my SC and the rib was fine. My SBT SC has .36 choke and it is very long, about 5" to 6". My SC has a 32" barrel. Frank

[John Truitt]

Ed,

There is a 34" SC at Green Top. You should go get her.
Straight grip too.

[Bill Murphy]

John, why don't you like the gun at Green Top enough to buy it? I have been visiting Green Top for decades and have never bought a gun there. Oh, I see the price is in the stratosphrere. Oh, well.

[Dave Suponski]

As I have said before the SBT are the next "Hot" item. And the prices are steadily rising.....:rolleyes:

[Ed Blake]

Bill - Doc Truitt only likes the guns with two barrels. I looked at that gun the other week. It's on consignment, but the owner wants too much money. Do all SBTs have such thick barrels? That one has a barrel that would do a Mossberg proud it's so robust.

[Kurt Densmore]

Thanks for responding to the inquiry. Sounds like there is a lot of variation in bore diameter and choke constriction. I should probably send off for a letter. There may be more to the story. Cabelas has a straight stock SC with nice wood and 32" bbls.

Kurt

[David Lien]

Parker SBT #193918 This gun is a B Grade with an Acme Steel 32" barrel. Bore is .738 and and .038 choke that is 4 and 1/2". long . Measures .700 at the muzzle. and the rib is tight.:) Has Remington Date codes "XPP3"

This thread caught my interest,soooooooo I took this old gun out today along with 2 boxe's of #3 hard shot (hand loads) to see how it would shoot. It shot very tight and about 70 30 up. I shot some patterns at 60 yds. into a snow bank and they really looked good. They also killed l what I shot them at. If a person could get along with out that second shot this gun would make a good late season Pheasant gun, or a good Crow gun. I may even try it next year. I hunt with a couple of no saftey guns so the saftey thingy is a non issue. Good Luck
David Lien

[Dave Suponski]

An update....I was looking at the rib situation this evening and lo and behold the pin at the end of the rib at the breech is not a pin but a 4-40 screw with about an 1/8" of thread counter-bored into the rib. Now I can see why these screws can work themselves loose after 1000's of rounds.

[Chuck Bishop]

Dave,

I was a little perplexed at your last reply so I looked at my SBT. I looked for the pin/screw with the naked eye and didn't see it. Only after I got a magnifying glass was I able to detect the round circle indicating that the pin/screw was there. The matting and the blueing was perfect. I always assumed that the rib was held on the breech with solder. How can the screw work it's way loose when the matting on the pin head lines up perfectly with the rest of the matting on the rib?

How do you know the dimensions of the screw? Did you take it out? Inquiring minds want to know:corn:

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Kurt,

You coming to the show this weekend? If so, I've got a handful of hulls for you.


DLH

[Dave Suponski]

Chuck, Apparently the screw on the rib of my SBT had striped and became visible. I was able to fix the thread and reinstall the screw. It's not perfect but at some point I will replace it and have it re-engraved. But i don't get to shoot it anymore anyway as Danny has decided it's his trap gun.....:whistle:I have been shooting the double trap lately.

[John Dallas]

Doncha love it when your kids finally start making intelligent decisions? Wish I could get my grandkids to decide to pay for shells! :cool:

[Dave Suponski]

Ya sure do John, I think Danny's thought process is something like....Just run them empty hulls through the reloader and just like magic they are ready to go again....:banghead:

[Jeff Kuss]

Dave,
I'm glad to hear you are making the sacrifice to keep the younger generation shooting!
Jeff

[John Dallas]

Dave - I think it's time to have "The Talk" with these boys. It's time they learn about these adult subjects.

[Dave Suponski]

He is already very aware of the fun adult subjects.....I think he needs the adult talk about spending the required time at the reloading bench...because I know the buying your own componants talk will end up with "No way I need money to spend on women......:rotf: At that point he will have me and he will know it....:banghead:

[Jeff Kuss]

It could be worse. Like the day my step son and his buddy told me that they had shot some clays, but not to worry. They didn't shoot up my new shells, just those old ones!

[Dave Suponski]

:fg:Jeff, Did it go something like that?

[Jeff Kuss]

Only after I calmed down. Teenage logic go figure! And they all went off.

[Bill Murphy]

I bought my first Parker single trap when I was in my twenties. I bought the twenty gauge when I was in my fifties. I am looking for another one now. They are what we should be looking for. They are wonderful guns.

[Dean Romig]

Bill, I could look it up but my Parker Story is in the other room... do you know how many SBTs in 20 gauge were made?

[Bill Murphy]

Three or four, I think. My book is in the other room. One was offered for sale some time ago, at a price I couldn't pay. I guess someone here has it now. I don't know where the 34" 20 is, but it is out there also. There is also a high grade two barrel set with a 20 gauge barrel that comes on the market every few years. I don't know who bought it last, or whether it is a real 20 or not. I once knew where all of them were, but no more.

[Bill Murphy]

TPS says five 20 gauges. I don't know what five they refer to. I assume it is ones they found in the stock books, because there is only one that I know of in the order book era, and I don't know whether they caught that one. That is the 34" SC 20. Colonel Cutts probably ordered the 20 gauge 26" compensator gun mentioned in TPS because he is named on an order for a 12 gauge 26" SC that he ordered later. He was obviously experimenting with his compensator on competition trap guns for an expanded market. I don't know whether the 20 gauge Cutts gun has been located. The Serialization Book describes it as an SB Grade. The 235,777 gun whose work tag is pictured in TPS shows up in the Serialization Book as a 12 gauge. The work tag describes it as a 32" 20 gauge. I don't remember the serial number of the 20 gauge that showed up on the market a few years ago, nor do I remember the number of the high grade two barrel set 12 and 20 gauge that is out there on the auction market occasionally. I have not searched the Serialization Book for other single barrel 20s. The question I have had is how many of the 20 gauge singles were made with insert barrels. If any of us have a 20 gauge single, let me know whether your barrels have 20 gauge inserts or not. At least one factory .410 was made with insert barrels. Our researcher and I have both inspected this gun and agree that the barrels appear to have .410 inserts.

[Bill Murphy]

I suspect that the 34" 20 gauge has a 20 gauge insert because the owner said it weighs 8 1/2 pounds.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Bill - you're always informative.