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CraigThompson
06-14-2021, 07:00 PM
Bought a box of 8 gauge stuff Saturday while at Prospect Hall of which there were 47 hulls . Ten new unfired Remington hulls like you can buy now , a single WIN Hull and 36 older REM plastic ribbed hulls . I’m curious to see how these older hulls fold crimp as they don’t appear to be as thick as the new REM hulls .

CraigThompson
06-14-2021, 07:01 PM
Group gathering .

edgarspencer
06-14-2021, 08:56 PM
I can tell what age group you're in from your condiment tray. Looks like my bureau.

CraigThompson
06-14-2021, 09:33 PM
I can tell what age group you're in from your condiment tray. Looks like my bureau.

What did the man say ? If you’re going to grow old you better be tough :whistle:

Milton C Starr
06-15-2021, 06:37 AM
I have wondered on the Rem hulls if the mouth could be thinned to make them easier to crimp. What are yall using to do the fold crimps on the 8 gauge hulls? I assume its part of the converted Mec loader ?

Bill Murphy
06-15-2021, 11:52 AM
I haven't loaded any eights for some time, but when I start again, I think I'll use an over shot wad and seal it with Duco or some other sealer, no crimp. I'm tempted to do the same with my tens. What do you think?

Milton C Starr
06-15-2021, 01:08 PM
The rim on the black case looks a bit thicker than the ribbed one and I noticed on my smooth green Rem hulls the rims are a bit thicker than the Winchester hulls .The Rem hulls I have the case mouth on them are pretty rough I wonder if they could be cut down to a shorter 8 gauge hull ?

charlie cleveland
06-15-2021, 03:25 PM
nice find on them hulls these hulls are the first 8 ga shells I ever saw.. my dad got them some where back in the early 1960 s they were loaded with a 3 ounce lead slug...I still have some of them...I read some where the pressure of the shells were in the 20.000 range... yikes.......charlie

Milton C Starr
06-15-2021, 04:36 PM
nice find on them hulls these hulls are the first 8 ga shells I ever saw.. my dad got them some where back in the early 1960 s they were loaded with a 3 ounce lead slug...I still have some of them...I read some where the pressure of the shells were in the 20.000 range... yikes.......charlie

I know a gunsmith who does alot of pressure testing for big bore shotguns. I think he said the Industrial loads he tested and the ones he reloaded were in the 20k range. I think he used quickload to develop those loads. The high velocity loads are 3oz at 1700fps . His test gun was a H&R 10 gauge he rebored to 8 ga he was surprised I think that such a thin 8 gauge barrel held up to it . Those barrels have almost no taper through them and the wall thickness is roughly .20" at the chambers if I recall .

edgarspencer
06-15-2021, 08:18 PM
I’m sure Kevin and Bill remember the guy wearing the pith helmet and carrying a SxS 4 bore at all the Vintagers years ago. He had about a dozen brass shells, loaded with round ball, in an ammo belt. The belt had leather straps over his shoulders like suspenders (Braces, Kevin?) quite the sight to see, though I don’t ever recall seeing him shoot the thing. As I recall it was an H&H.

Jim DiSpagno
06-15-2021, 08:28 PM
That was my friend Bernie Libratti. He passed about 5 years ago now and boy, did he have some odd stuff. I got him a 4 bore fowling double, back action Hammergun with 40” barrels and about 40 factory loads of no. 4 shot in 4 1/2” cases. Weighed 24 lbs and was the market gun for the Traymore hotel in Atlantic City.

edgarspencer
06-15-2021, 09:35 PM
That was my friend Bernie Libratti..

Bingo! Winner. Give Jimmy D a chicken Dinner. That's the man I was thinking of.

David Holes
06-15-2021, 10:01 PM
I have been using overshot cards on the 3.5 inch tens because my crimper is set for 27/8. Just glue them in and shoot away

Bill Murphy
06-16-2021, 02:48 AM
The fellow with the bandolier of brass shells and an odd costume was not my friend, Bernie Liberati.

CraigThompson
06-16-2021, 02:27 PM
That was my friend Bernie Libratti. He passed about 5 years ago now and boy, did he have some odd stuff. I got him a 4 bore fowling double, back action Hammergun with 40” barrels and about 40 factory loads of no. 4 shot in 4 1/2” cases. Weighed 24 lbs and was the market gun for the Traymore hotel in Atlantic City.

I had the good fortune of meeting Jimmy Stahl at Sanford and talked with him some more at Hausemann's .

I heard a lot of Bernie stories from him as well as several from Tom Armbrust a year or so ago . Also heard some Bernie stories from Jent Mitchell back before Bernie left this world .

charlie cleveland
06-16-2021, 08:25 PM
would like to hear those stories....charlie

Milton C Starr
06-18-2021, 10:14 AM
Just about every Remington 8 gauge hull I have seen has the two dents or bulges on the case head, which I always assumed were perhaps extract marks from the industrial guns. I have one case however which doesnt have the marks on them.