Gap Between Barrels at the Muzzles

[Dean Romig]

I just started a thread on the Parker Reproductions sub forum regarding the gap on Repros and how it may be the result of very late Remington-Parkers (Ilion) having been used for the basis of Repro production.

Discussion invited -

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32951





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[Dean Romig]

I am hoping to get folks to examine the muzzles of their late Ilion Parkers for barrels not touching. Please take a look and post your findings here.

Thank You!





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[Russ Jackson]

My CHE 20 is a Late 1937 gun Serial # 240983 w/26" Barrels that touch at the end of the muzzle ! Maybe this isn't as late as you are looking for Dean ,the serial # closest to this that I own at the moment is just before Remington !

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Russ, probably as you say, not late enough. Do your barrel flats have the Remington stamp of OVERLOAD PROVED above and below the words PARKER GUN WORKS ?

Is there a top rib legend?

I think the barrels without a rib legend and the PARKER GUN WORKS proof stamp are the barrels we need to be looking at for the space between the barrels.




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[Russ Jackson]

Yes they do Dean ! I thought this would give you a starter Serial # and maybe you can get an idea of when the feature you are looking for may have started !

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Russ - so 240983 barrels touch at the muzzle. Could be a starting point for sure.





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[Reggie Bishop]

239380 a 1937 16 gauge with 26” barrels and 240921 a 1937 20 gauge with 26” barrels. There is no gap at muzzle.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Reggie Rib legend? Proof stamps?




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[Russ Jackson]

Dean ,There is no Rib Legend on my Barrels either ,sorry I missed that question earlier !

[Reggie Bishop]

Photos of both.

[J. Scott Hanes]

My 20/28 VH, 240655, has barrels touching at the muzzle.

[Bruce Day]

An interesting side issue is that , assuming Parker Reproduction barrels in 28 ga could be obtained , whether they could be fitted to an original Parker 0 size frame . This could make a 20/28 ga 0 frame set .

The Reproduction barrels are 00 and the issue is how much undersize they would be.

[Dean Romig]

An interesting side issue is that , assuming Parker Reproduction barrels in 28 ga could be obtained , whether they could be fitted to an original Parker 0 size frame . This could make a 20/28 ga 0 frame set .

The Reproduction barrels are 00 and the issue is how much undersize they would be.



I was recently, and am still, on that exact mission Bruce, for my 20 gauge Trojan but the 00-frame 28 gauge barrels I have tried are too narrow at the breech of the 0-frame Trojan.





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[James L. Martin]

Here are 2 Remington 12ga barrels with no address. They are touching.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks James.





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[Dean Weber]

238175 Trojan16 - 28 bbl w/ bbl stamp and proof stamp
238553 V12- 26 bbl w/ bbl stamp and proof stamp
239132 D16 - 30 bbl no bbl stamp, has proof stamp
239441D16 - 24 bbl w/ bbl stamp and proof stamp
239619 V12 - 28 bbl w/ bbl stamp and proof stamp
240316 D16 - 26 bbl w/ bbl stamp and proof stamp
240969 G20 - 26 bbl no bbl stamp, has proof stamp
All of above touch.
28 ga repro with 26 bbl. do not touch

[John Allen]

Dean,I am not sure that the gap was caused by copying a Remington gun as much as it was the tooling and process the Japanese used to assemble and regulate the barrels. Remember the Winchester model 23s were made in the same factory before the Parker Repros. The model 23s have a similar gap.The Japanese probably used similar if not the same process and tooling with both guns.

[Dean Romig]

Very interesting John. Thanks, I never thought of that. That sheds a whole new light on the gap situation.





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