Shipping pre 1898

[Adam henderson]

I’m sure this has been asked before but I just want some clarity.

Would a 1890 manufactured Parker need to be shipped to an ffl or can it be shipped directly from person to person?

I am just confused after reading about this.

[Dean Romig]

There were no FFL’s back then. A Parker was shipped to the address the buyer wanted it to go to.

I will say they were most often shipped to a retailer who bought guns at wholesale and sold them at retail. Like a hardware store, a dry goods store, or a store specializing in guns and hunting/shooting equipment and supplies.



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[Brian Dudley]

I dont think he was asking about when the guns were new.

To answer your question, yes. It can be shipped directly from the seller to the buyer as long as the buyer is over 18. Guns made in 1898 and before are considered antiques are are not considered “firearms”. The ATF is pretty clear about this.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Brian - I should have picked up on that.





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[Adam henderson]

Haha yea. Was asking about getting a Parker sent to me now vs having to go through an ffl

[Richard Flanders]

More coffee Dean... more coffee.... :rotf:

[CraigThompson]

I agree with what Brian said ! However sometimes I run into people and or dealers that the pre 1898 thing means nothing to them and still want/require an FFL on one way or another . I understand if a person doesn’t understand they wanna cover their ass . Generally those I’ve run across that fall into this category were those who messed with tacticool or black guns primarily .

[CraigThompson]

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[Dean Romig]

I won a Gunbroker auction for a 12 gauge Grade 2 lifter and it was only about 90 miles from me so I drove to the gun shop to pick it up. They would not release the gun to me and said it HAD to be shipped to or picked up by a FFL holder. I didn't have a FFL so I told them I would not honor my high bid. They became very upset and called me all sorts of names. I walked out without the gun and the owner of the shop had me blackballed from Gunbroker for a year.





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[Adam henderson]

Alright I just want to clarify. As I read it if it’s manufactured before 1898 and isn’t a center fire or rimfire, then it can ship direct. Would a 1890
Parker not technically be a center fire?

[Dean Romig]

There are several individual interpretations of that point. Most go strictly by the date of manufacture. Technically though, the type of cartridge ignition may trump all other interpretations.





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[Garry L Gordon]

I just now looked at a nice 1883 grade three hammer gun with two sets of barrels and the auction house wanted an FFL to deliver. No explanation of why, but I assumed they were being ultra-careful. It happens.

[CraigThompson]

Alright I just want to clarify. As I read it if it’s manufactured before 1898 and isn’t a center fire or rimfire, then it can ship direct. Would a 1890
Parker not technically be a center fire?

One of the ATF guys was in giving us an audit a couple years ago . And in his words “anything made before 1899 IS NOT A GUN” as far as the ATF’s concerned .