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Kirk Potter
02-01-2021, 10:22 PM
Anyone else see this on GunBroker? Factory? If so, wow..

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889488575

Kirk Potter
02-01-2021, 10:26 PM
Oh, and no reserve.

Dean Romig
02-01-2021, 10:47 PM
Man, that is a dandy! Oh, If it only had a straight grip.....





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Jim DiSpagno
02-01-2021, 10:48 PM
Except for butt stock configuration and front bead, matches the book

Dean Romig
02-01-2021, 10:59 PM
The red ivory (Lyman) front bead was an option when this gun was made though I don’t know if the style shown was available at that time.

My 28 gauge VHE Skeet gun, I’m told, originally came with a red ivory front bead but as I understand it the previous owner didn’t like it so he replaced it with a white ivory bead. Wish I had the red one that came with the gun originally.





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Brian Dudley
02-02-2021, 06:31 AM
Same seller as the 28g and 20g that were discussed at length here recently.

Bill Murphy
02-02-2021, 08:30 AM
Yup.

Reggie Bishop
02-02-2021, 08:38 AM
That will make the wife a nice Valentine's Day present since it ends on 2-14.

Bill Murphy
02-02-2021, 08:41 AM
Reggie, he's right next door to you in Kentucky. It would make a nice road trip for the weekend.

Brian Dudley
02-02-2021, 08:41 AM
Maybe he will answer questions in person...

Reggie Bishop
02-02-2021, 08:44 AM
Reggie, he's right next door to you in Kentucky. It would make a nice road trip for the weekend.

Great idea!

Randy G Roberts
02-02-2021, 08:54 AM
Reggie, he's right next door to you in Kentucky. It would make a nice road trip for the weekend.


3 hour trip for me so not out of the question. Meet you there Reggie :)

Chad Hefflinger
02-02-2021, 08:55 AM
I threw out a bid on it just so I could someday tell the story of how I got out bid on a graded 28 gauge skeet gun, only missed it by 10 or 15 thousand:rotf:

Reggie Bishop
02-02-2021, 09:06 AM
3 hour trip for me so not out of the question. Meet you there Reggie :)

You ain't driving 3 hours to look at a 26" barreled Parker!

Randy G Roberts
02-02-2021, 09:16 AM
You ain't driving 3 hours to look at a 26" barreled Parker!

Geez I must be an easy read cause you are 100% correct.

Paul Ehlers
02-02-2021, 10:12 AM
This is one heck of a nice gun!

I do question a few items like the wood finish is exceptionally free from scratches, dents & other defects when the gun has obviously been shot some by the looks of the breech face on the action & slight scratches on the barrel finishes. The top lever is left of center which I find a little concerning on a gun this clean. The trigger plate screws finish doesn't match the rest of the metal finish & then there's the Bradley type front sight that is more model-21'ish than Parker like. I sure would like to see a PGCA letter on this one!

Overall it's a really nice gun that will attract a lot of flies to this pot of honey!! Good luck guy's it's out of my league! I wonder where the over-under bets would be placed? Will it go over or under the 20K mark?:corn:

Reggie Bishop
02-02-2021, 10:18 AM
Over

Mills Morrison
02-02-2021, 10:48 AM
What the heck . . . Under

Jim DiSpagno
02-02-2021, 10:53 AM
Under

John Bastiani
02-02-2021, 11:09 AM
Is the case and barrel bluing original? If so- Does anybody want to take a guess on the percentage of case on the action and barrel blue? Also: Isn't the front sight an easy fix if you wanted to change to the traditional white bead.

Reggie Bishop
02-02-2021, 11:21 AM
I was so off on the GHE 20 that sold I am afraid to comment on the originality of this one! I will say the choke markings are correct for a Remington skeet gun. So how many GHE 28 gauge skeet guns are out there?

Dean Romig
02-02-2021, 12:58 PM
This is one heck of a nice gun!

I do question a few items like the wood finish is exceptionally free from scratches, dents & other defects when the gun has obviously been shot some by the looks of the breech face on the action & slight scratches on the barrel finishes. The top lever is left of center which I find a little concerning on a gun this clean. The trigger plate screws finish doesn't match the rest of the metal finish & then there's the Bradley type front sight that is more model-21'ish than Parker like. I sure would like to see a PGCA letter on this one!

Overall it's a really nice gun that will attract a lot of flies to this pot of honey!! Good luck guy's it's out of my league! I wonder where the over-under bets would be placed? Will it go over or under the 20K mark?:corn:


Well over $20K IMO.





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Bill Murphy
02-02-2021, 01:19 PM
I suspect that there are more "Skeet In and Skeet Out" marked Parkers that did not come from the factory that way than did come from the factory that way. Of course, this is probably one of the real ones. It is just a few numbers away from a known skeet gun. The high bidder has probably already put in a real high bid. Of course, we should continue to nip at his heels.

Reggie Bishop
02-02-2021, 01:31 PM
I suspect that there are more "Skeet In and Skeet Out" marked Parkers that did not come from the factory that way than did come from the factory that way. Of course, this is probably one of the real ones. It is just a few numbers away from a known skeet gun. The high bidder has probably already put in a real high bid. Of course, we should continue to nip at his heels.

And those "fake" ones, generally speaking, are fairly easy to spot because the skeet markings just don't look like original factory skeet markings. I think this one is genuine.

Robert Brooks
02-02-2021, 01:49 PM
I got 20 ga GHE straight grip, long beavertail, sst Hawkins pad, 26 inch barrels, open chokes 2369xx that is not marked skeet in and out and guess it may be a skeet gun. Bobby

Dean Romig
02-02-2021, 03:21 PM
I got 20 ga GHE straight grip, long beavertail, sst Hawkins pad, 26 inch barrels, open chokes 2369xx that is not marked skeet in and out and guess it may be a skeet gun. Bobby

Do you have a research letter on yours Robert?
My 28 fauge VHE is not marked with Skwwt choke markings but my research letters, both from Chuck Bishop and from Bob Beach confirm it is a “Skeet gun.” Yours may too. Mine is 236912 .





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Reggie Bishop
02-02-2021, 03:47 PM
I have 237230 & 239380, both marked "skeet in" "skeet out".

Bill Murphy
02-02-2021, 04:11 PM
Dean, what information did Chuck and Bob provide that gave you information that your gun is a skeet gun?

Bob Jurewicz
02-02-2021, 05:16 PM
In Picture #65 of the listing it appears that the right ejector trip rod in receiver is broken off.
Am I correct? If so, is this a difficult repair?
Bob Jurewicz

Brian Dudley
02-02-2021, 05:19 PM
In Picture #65 of the listing it appears that the right ejector trip rod in receiver is broken off.
Am I correct? If so, is this a difficult repair?
Bob Jurewicz

Not broken off, just one barrel is fired (see the tripped firing pin at the breech).
The other barrel is cocked.

Dean Romig
02-02-2021, 05:49 PM
Dean, what information did Chuck and Bob provide that gave you information that your gun is a skeet gun?



These documents.


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John Dallas
02-02-2021, 08:36 PM
Beach's letter describes it as a Skeet Grade. The Grade thing is interesting.

The Cody letter on my M21 2 barrel set is described as "Skeet Grade", and it was differentiated by features such as the larger Hessian forend. The 26"barrels are IC/Mod, and the 30's are F/M. Both sets are chambered for 3"shells. Hardly a gun for skeet

Dean Romig
02-02-2021, 08:42 PM
Notice that on Bob's letter, a representation of the A&F records, lists the chokes as "Skeet 1 & Skeet 2" but especially the A&F handwritten record of "Parker Skeet Guns" lists the chokes as #1 & #2.

The chokes are actually .008" of constriction in the left barrel and .015" constriction in the right barrel. (Reversed chokes for Skeet guns was the practice then.)





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Dean Romig
02-02-2021, 08:54 PM
Incidentally, I noticed the grip cap on the subject gun has been reinstalled backward which we all know neither Parker Bros. nor Remington would have done, nor allowed out the door like that, so I guess the stock may have been at least stripped and refinished.....





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Bill Murphy
02-03-2021, 06:55 AM
Dean, thanks for the great information.

Kevin McCormack
02-03-2021, 09:06 AM
Beach's letter describes it as a Skeet Grade. The Grade thing is interesting.

The Cody letter on my M21 2 barrel set is described as "Skeet Grade", and it was differentiated by features such as the larger Hessian forend. The 26"barrels are IC/Mod, and the 30's are F/M. Both sets are chambered for 3"shells. Hardly a gun for skeet

Is the gun marked "SKEET" on the floorplate?

Robert Brooks
02-03-2021, 09:55 AM
No research letter yet need to get one. Thanks Bobby

John Dallas
02-03-2021, 10:37 AM
Kevin - No. The worksheet and the Cody letter both call it a skeet grade and it has all of the features associated with the skeet grade. I'm guessing they forgot to stamp it

John Bastiani
02-03-2021, 09:40 PM
Incidentally, I noticed the grip cap on the subject gun has been reinstalled backward which we all know neither Parker Bros. nor Remington would have done, nor allowed out the door like that, so I guess the stock may have been at least stripped and refinished.....




. The records show that this gun was originally stocked with a straight stock from the factory. If the grip cap is installed backwards is this even a factory Parker stock?

Dean Romig
02-03-2021, 09:55 PM
The records show that this gun was originally stocked with a straight stock from the factory. If the grip cap is installed backwards is this even a factory Parker stock?


I think the jury's still on that regard John. The wood is appropriate for a Remington era Grade 2 but maybe a bit over the top in figure. Generally speaking the super nice figure on the lower grades didn't start appearing regularly until after the move to Ilion. To my mind the borders don't have that perfect concave mullering we might expect to see on a 1935 Meriden produced Parker but there was more than one person doing the checkering and each had his or her own style.





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Dave Noreen
02-03-2021, 11:34 PM
Cody called my Model 21 Skeet Gun "skeet grade" in the letter on it. No Winchester Catalog ever called them "skeet grade." They were the Model 21 Skeet Gun. In the early years the Model 21 Skeet Gun could be had in Tournament Grade, Trap Grade or Custom Built Grade. A few years in the Tournament Grade was dropped and for a few more years the Model 21 Skeet Gun could be had in Standard Grade, Trap Grade and Custom Built Grade. By the late 1930s the Trap Grade was dropped and from then on the Model 21 Skeet Gun was made in Standard Grade or Custom Built Grade (except for those few years it was Deluxe Grade).

Bruce Hering
02-03-2021, 11:41 PM
My God..... Look at the current bid.... Crazy, or...

Dave Noreen
02-03-2021, 11:52 PM
The barrels have a date code of BE (B = January, E = 1936) then there is a repair code of KF3 (K = May, F = 1937). Seems like every Skeet Gun barrel flat I see has repair codes.

Bill Murphy
02-04-2021, 04:44 AM
Dean's gun seems to have been "reconditioned" according to an earlier post. In Remington files, there seem to be many late guns that were "reconditioned" or "completed" before being sent out to dealers.

Dean Romig
02-04-2021, 06:35 AM
Skeet being the hot new game, I’m sure most of them saw a LOT of use.

Yes, mine went back to Remington to be refurbished and not used a whole lot, apparently, since then.





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Dean Romig
02-04-2021, 06:42 AM
My God..... Look at the current bid.... Crazy, or...



I’m not at all surprised and with 10 days to go I think it will go a lot higher.





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John Bastiani
02-04-2021, 09:47 AM
I think the jury's still on that regard John. The wood is appropriate for a Remington era Grade 2 but maybe a bit over the top in figure. Generally speaking the super nice figure on the lower grades didn't start appearing regularly until after the move to Ilion. To my mind the borders don't have that perfect concave mullering we might expect to see on a 1935 Meriden produced Parker but there was more than one person doing the checkering and each had his or her own style.





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I would still be concerned that the Parker Identification book still list the stock as straight or what I call an English style stock.

John Bastiani
02-04-2021, 09:52 AM
My God..... Look at the current bid.... Crazy, or...

If the gun is right(Haven't heard any comments on if the case and barrel bluing is original) then wouldn't it sell for way more that the $16000 its currently at?

Jim DiSpagno
02-04-2021, 09:52 AM
Not unusual for the stock configuration to be in error in the book. I’ve had it happen twice so far

Dean Romig
02-04-2021, 09:56 AM
If the gun is right(Haven't heard any comments on if the case and barrel bluing is original) then wouldn't it sell for way more that the $16000 its currently at?


There's still 0 days to go until the auction ends...





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Reggie Bishop
02-04-2021, 09:59 AM
If the gun was a high condition, original Grade 2 skeet gun it would sell for well over 30k in my opinion. There are two or three grade 3 high condition 28 ga. skeet guns that I am aware of, one being priced in the high 40s and one priced about the same. A grade 3 28 gauge skeet sold at the last Morphy auction for over $50k plus the fee added to that which took it to 60k.

I think some don't realize that there were not many small bore skeet guns produced.

As for the stock, it may very well have been returned to Remington for the pistol grip stock since it does have Remington repair codes. The checkered butt pattern is correct for a Parker Remington skeet gun.

Dean Romig
02-04-2021, 10:03 AM
I think the guys who will be the last two bidders are watching this auction very closely. Nobody wants to pay too much but nobody wants to lose it for a measly hundred bucks either.





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Bill Murphy
02-04-2021, 10:55 AM
Ten days to go.

John Bastiani
02-04-2021, 11:53 AM
Just what I've been looking for the last year-28ga. skeet(VHE or GHE) with checkered butt - pistol grip stock and high condition with 90% case. Just to many questions for me.

Dean Romig
02-04-2021, 11:55 AM
Just what I've been looking for the last year-28ga. skeet(VHE or GHE) with checkered butt - pistol grip stock and high condition with 90% case. Just to many questions for me.


Guys who are bidding as high as they are must know something and have the confidence of their convictions - Jump right in John, the water's fine!





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Paul Ehlers
02-06-2021, 09:54 AM
Pop some Pop Corn-Pour an adult beverage of your choice and tune in to this auction just before the it hit's the 15 minute mark before it closes. Then be prepared to watch it for the next hour as two or three guys fight it out during the 15 minute rule on GB.

This one will go well north of 20k before the show is over.

Bill Murphy
02-06-2021, 10:05 AM
John B. got it right when he said "Too many questions." At 20 grand, a Del Grego refinish would be a bargain. However, when you get into the high thirties or forties, you want to see the gun in person before you commit. At that point, you want the gun to be in original finish.
The poster who mentioned identifying bogus skeet in and skeet out markings did not apparently realize that most of the bogus skeet guns were stamped with original Parker stamps.

John Bastiani
02-06-2021, 11:13 AM
Did anybody notice the top lever being left of center? Why would a gun with this condition not be to the right of center. Even some well used guns will still hold their right of center position. Does this concern anybody else? I would also like for the seller to turn the pistol grip cap around the right way to make sure it lines up correctly.

Reggie Bishop
02-06-2021, 12:01 PM
Don’t think this one will reach those dollars Bill. John there was discussion recently on this forum about top lever positions. Some of our more knowledgeable members commented that it is not that great a concern with a Parker. I am like you though I like to see them right of center.

Reggie Bishop
02-06-2021, 12:09 PM
Here are the top levers of the highest condition two guns I have.

Reggie Bishop
02-06-2021, 12:18 PM
And here are same two showing Remington wood on VHE grade guns.

charlie cleveland
02-06-2021, 01:29 PM
very nice....charlie

Rich Anderson
02-07-2021, 11:18 AM
At one time I had a GHE 20 skeet gun. For the life of me I can't remember what it got traded/sold for.

David C Porter
02-08-2021, 11:20 AM
Asked for more I. D. & choke restriction. Says he doesn't have mic's to measure. Too many of these old guns have been back bored and/or chokes modified. He states the chokes are I. C. & I. C. That's not Skeet In & Out. Unless you can inspect this one in person I'd pass; too much money to gamble. Even if he takes it back I'll bet you get stuck with shipping fees both ways.

Jeff Peck
02-08-2021, 12:53 PM
For comparisons sake, here are a few pictures of a 12GA GHE skeet gun, it is listed in the serialization book with the straight grip.

Interesting that according to TPS, only 46 GHE 12GA skeet guns were produced and just over a 1000 in total .

Dean Romig
02-08-2021, 01:06 PM
Jeff, it is my belief that the example you show has been re-barreled in Ilion judging by the position of the serial number stamped on the left barrel flat. Had those barrels been fitted to the gun in Meriden the serial number would have been stamped on the left side of the lug.... and who knows what else may have been done to it on its visit to Ilion...?

Then again, the entire gun you picture as an example may have been assembled from Meriden parts after the move to Ilion in 1938... which would nullify my argument.

But I'm still not seeing a fair comparison.


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Bill Murphy
02-08-2021, 02:12 PM
I agree with Dean that the serial number is a bit early for barrel flat serial number stamps, but I really don't know. I suspect that those stamps are Remington era. Of course, the first step is to find out whether that serial number is of the barrel length and option category to be an original skeet gun.

Jeff Peck
02-08-2021, 02:18 PM
The serial number book as it listed with all the options

P2, H, 14, S, 12, 26.

It also letters as such

Reggie Bishop
02-08-2021, 02:19 PM
This is #237230 1935 mfg date.

Chad Hefflinger
02-08-2021, 04:46 PM
attached are the flats of a GHE 12 I once owned, and a VHE 16 I own now. The GHE 12 only had IBM a record, but did sell through Abercrombie back in the day and I received full records from them as it being a Skeet gun. I have not sent in for info on the VHE 16, but I do not doubt it being an original skeet gun.

Jeff Peck
02-08-2021, 05:24 PM
The letter on mine shows it was shipped to a (T.S) C.V Bracher. Research shows that he wasinvolved with Remington ammunition and had some patent letters ?

I have no doubt that mine is an original skeet.

Dean Romig
02-08-2021, 05:32 PM
I have no doubt of its originality either Jeff... My only question about it is the markings stamped on the flats in regard to year of production commonly seen stampings.





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Dave Noreen
02-08-2021, 09:22 PM
attached are the flats of a GHE 12 I once owned, and a VHE 16 I own now. The GHE 12 only had IBM a record, but did sell through Abercrombie back in the day and I received full records from them as it being a Skeet gun. I have not sent in for info on the VHE 16, but I do not doubt it being an original skeet gun.

Both of those pictures are angled to obscure the location of Remington era barrel date codes.

Chad Hefflinger
02-08-2021, 10:58 PM
This is a better pic of the 16, looks to be a N and possibly a T or an I or maybe a 1? I’m not familiar with the Remington date codes. The 12 looks to be a o or 0 inside a square.

Dave Noreen
02-09-2021, 12:19 AM
The N and the broken I are apparently some Remington inspector's marks. I can barely see one letter of the date code. Yellow arrow --

93043

Here is an example of a barrel flat with the N and broken I but a clear view of the date code.

93044

AE A = March E = 1936.

From my observations, while still in Meriden they put the date code for the barrels near the rear as above. After the move to Ilion they started putting the date code farther forward abreast the cocking hook.

93045

Chad Hefflinger
02-09-2021, 07:50 AM
The 16 has a C F marked in that location. The best picture I could find of the 12 had what looks like an E B, possibly E R
Thanks for the info on where to look

Dave Noreen
02-09-2021, 10:29 AM
CF would be C = May F = 1937
Neither EB or ER would be reasonable codes. E for the month equals October which is fine but B for the year is 1933 and R is 1924, both too early.

Jeff Peck
02-09-2021, 10:38 AM
On the Remington Repair code tab, couldn't ER also be 1968 ?

John Bastiani
02-09-2021, 11:26 AM
Emailed the dealer through Gunbroker and he won't respond to my questions. Probably a good reason to pass on this gun. I think I can eventually do better but it might take awhile and I'm not one with alot of patience.

Dave Noreen
02-09-2021, 11:37 AM
Sure, but by then Remington was out of the Parker repair business. Repair codes are a date code followed by a 3 and Remington stamped them all over, where ever they could find space on the barrel flats.

Chad Hefflinger
02-09-2021, 11:51 AM
CF would be C = May F = 1937
Neither EB or ER would be reasonable codes. E for the month equals October which is fine but B for the year is 1933 and R is 1924, both too early.
Thanks for the info, the serial number of that gun puts it as post 1934 according to our site 2395xx

Chad Hefflinger
02-09-2021, 11:56 AM
Looking closer at the picture I have, I think it may have been the letter D

Dean Romig
02-09-2021, 06:15 PM
$17,030.00 ?.... c'mon guys - it's nicer than that!!





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Mills Morrison
02-09-2021, 06:31 PM
With 5 days to go, I’d say the final price is far away

Randy G Roberts
02-09-2021, 07:54 PM
With 5 days to go, I’d say the final price is far away

Yep and it will get really interesting the last hour or so.:corn:

Dean Romig
02-09-2021, 07:56 PM
I hope we get to admire it in person some day.






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John Bastiani
02-09-2021, 09:34 PM
The dealer finally responded to my email. He must have read my previous post. He said that the case is 85% but that several people have contacted him and said the case wasn't original. He did turn the grip cap around and it fit perfectly. He also said the barrel blue was 95% but never mentioned if was reblued or not. Also said that he was no Parker expert and basically it sounded like he's not going to guarantee that the gun is original.

CraigThompson
02-10-2021, 12:48 AM
$17,030.00 ?.... c'mon guys - it's nicer than that!!





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With no stipulated return policy in the auction it would be a cold day in hell before you see me bid that amount .

Reggie Bishop
02-10-2021, 06:33 AM
The dealer finally responded to my email. He must have read my previous post. He said that the case is 85% but that several people have contacted him and said the case wasn't original. He did turn the grip cap around and it fit perfectly. He also said the barrel blue was 95% but never mentioned if was reblued or not. Also said that he was no Parker expert and basically it sounded like he's not going to guarantee that the gun is original.

Does anyone guarantee that a gun is original??

Dean Romig
02-10-2021, 07:43 AM
Thet 28 GHE Skeet is original enough for me. Nobody ever made any changes to it that would alter it from its original configuration. We’ve seen upgrades from VH’s and VHE’s but this is definitely not one of those. This is a very desirable “real deal” that may or may not have been “freshened” according to the opinions of some. And I think we can safely say “the jury’s still out.”





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Reggie Bishop
02-10-2021, 07:50 AM
I don't recall ever seeing a GHE 28 gauge skeet gun. I have seen several DHEs and VHEs but no GHEs. Waiting to find one that someone would "guarantee" as original might be a long wait. We know the gun has been sent back to the factory by the repair codes. What was done is anyone's guess. I have my thoughts but they are only thoughts.

Dean Romig
02-10-2021, 08:03 AM
Here’s proof that at least three GHE 28 gauge Skeet guns were made. The subject gun is not one of the three and I’m certain there were more.

This is part of the letter on my 236912 Skeet gun.


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John Bastiani
02-10-2021, 10:16 AM
Does anyone guarantee that a gun is original??

Yes- I have bought alot of guns through the years that the seller will back the gun as original and if its not he will refund your money. This seller isn't giving any inspection period and that concerns me when he says that he has no idea if the gun is right or not. This gun should bring north of $40000+ if correct and thats alot of money for a redone gun that would likely bring half of that. I would feel more confident if a few Parker people that know these guns would have seen this gun in person and then given their thoughts.

Reggie Bishop
02-10-2021, 10:32 AM
They aren't guaranteeing originality, they are offering you an inspection period to return the gun if you are not pleased with it. Anyone's opinion on originality is just that, an opinion. The gun in question has been back to the factory for work. So it is not in its original condition when it left the factory the 1st time. Does this "void" its originality? I am not arguing, my point is if someone tells me they "guarantee this gun to be original" I just smile and form my own opinion.

John Bastiani
02-10-2021, 11:10 AM
They aren't guaranteeing originality, they are offering you an inspection period to return the gun if you are not pleased with it. Anyone's opinion on originality is just that, an opinion. The gun in question has been back to the factory for work. So it is not in its original condition when it left the factory the 1st time. Does this "void" its originality? I am not arguing, my point is if someone tells me they "guarantee this gun to be original" I just smile and form my own opinion.

The problem here though is that your not getting an inspection period to form your opinion and without seeing the gun in person you are taking a big chance if the gun goes for big money. I haven't heard anybody say that the case is original with the internet pictures that are given and probably shouldn't unless they have seen this gun in person.

Reggie Bishop
02-10-2021, 11:18 AM
The problem here though is that your not getting an inspection period to form your opinion and without seeing the gun in person you are taking a big chance if the gun goes for big money. I haven't heard anybody say that the case is original with the internet pictures that are given and probably shouldn't unless they have seen this gun in person.

I would not disagree with you on that. There would probably be some who say it looks like Parker Remington case and some who would say it wasn't. The same seller had a 20 gauge GHE that I thought was completely restored, yet others on here said that it looked completely correct.

Rich Anderson
02-10-2021, 11:24 AM
I wish I had the serial number for the GHE 20 skeet I had, Hell I wish I still had the gun. It is what it is and if the buyer and seller are happy at the end of the day thats what counts. There was a time when I'd have been all over this one.

John Dallas
02-10-2021, 03:36 PM
Isn't there someone on the forum who lives close enuff to Liberty KY to look at the gun?

Pete Lester
02-11-2021, 06:42 PM
The letter on mine shows it was shipped to a (T.S) C.V Bracher. Research shows that he wasinvolved with Remington ammunition and had some patent letters ?

I have no doubt that mine is an original skeet.

I have no doubt your gun is an original GHE Skeet gun. I have it's sibling 237880. Oddly enough my letter says it was started in June '34, shipped to warehouse Jan '35 and shipped to it's first owner in Mar '36. The barrels are stamped on left side of the lug L E, Feb '36.

Two things, it looks to me like the barrel date stamp was not applied by Remington until the gun was being prepared to ship to a buyer given my letter and stamping??? I also think it was likely your gun was returned to Remington in May '41 and was probably rebarreled at the request of the owner because they wanted to change/increase the choke constriction and that could only be achieved with a new set of barrels. Just supposition on my part and if so still original IMO. I will try to post a picture of my letter and barrel stamp tomorrow when I have better light for picture taking.

Jeff Peck
02-11-2021, 07:56 PM
I have no doubt your gun is an original GHE Skeet gun. I have it's sibling 237880. Oddly enough my letter says it was started in June '34, shipped to warehouse Jan '35 and shipped to it's first owner in Mar '36. The barrels are stamped on left side of the lug L E, Feb '36.

Two things, it looks to me like the barrel date stamp was not applied by Remington until the gun was being prepared to ship to a buyer given my letter and stamping??? I also think it was likely your gun was returned to Remington in May '41 and was probably rebarreled at the request of the owner because they wanted to change/increase the choke constriction and that could only be achieved with a new set of barrels. Just supposition on my part and if so still original IMO. I will try to post a picture of my letter and barrel stamp tomorrow when I have better light for picture taking.

J.B,

Thanks !

Mine was one of 3 guns in consecutive order all with " skeet" options. The odds of this being returned and remarried with exact length barrels would be unusual versus a repair return.

It is amazing, based on some of the responses here, that if " only " 46 GHE skeet guns exist per TPS, they certainly have a great following.

Pete Lester
02-11-2021, 08:30 PM
J.B,

Thanks !

Mine was one of 3 guns in consecutive order all with " skeet" options. The odds of this being returned and remarried with exact length barrels would be unusual versus a repair return.

It is amazing, based on some of the responses here, that if " only " 46 GHE skeet guns exist per TPS, they certainly have a great following.

Having been a reasonably competitive trap shooter, six years on the NH state team, I know trap shooters and competitive skeet shooters will make any and all alterations to a gun to make it work better for them, even if the alteration only changes how you feel, confidence is everything.

With modern guns people change chokes all the time, we take it for granted, but back in '41 if you wanted the gun to shoot tighter there was one choice, send it back for a rebarrel. Uncommon but I doubt unusual.

Jeff Peck
02-11-2021, 08:41 PM
Having been a reasonably competitive trap shooter, six years on the NH state team, I know trap shooters and competitive skeet shooters will make any and all alterations to a gun to make it work better for them, even if the alteration only changes how you feel, confidence is everything.

With modern guns people change chokes all the time, we take it for granted, but back in '41 if you wanted the gun to shoot tighter there was one choice, send it back for a rebarrel. Uncommon but I doubt unusual.



Wouldn't that then require a "2" on the repair code as a rebarrel, versus a 3 ?

Dave Noreen
02-11-2021, 08:47 PM
From what I've seen of the 2, is on barrels for Model 11/Sportsman or Model 31s that were sent to and fitted by authorized gunsmiths outside the factory. I'm guessing that Parker barrels were only done at the factory and would have the 3 for repair.

Rich Anderson
02-11-2021, 09:16 PM
I don't think I'd put to much stock in the number of GHE skeet guns per TPS. I owned a 20ga GHE skeet and have a GHE 16 skeet/trap two barrel set with all the options and 28 inch barrels.

Dean Romig
02-14-2021, 05:14 PM
4 hours remaining and it still hasn’t reached it’s real value. Ther’ll be madness in the last few minutes.





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Russ Jackson
02-14-2021, 06:08 PM
I Think you're correct Dean , It's a Beautiful Gun ! The sellers seem like decent folks I spoke with them this past week ,I had a couple of questions and they responded promptly and gave me direct answers ! Who ever gets it will be getting a Real Gem in my opinion !

Jim DiSpagno
02-14-2021, 10:32 PM
It’s over $25,877.00 to a t wooden

Dean Romig
02-14-2021, 10:40 PM
This is getting really good. I think we know a T. Wooden....

Good luck guys. I know who I’m rooting for.





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Bruce Day
02-14-2021, 11:20 PM
Probably just some local ne’er do well who spends his time chasing small birds.

Bill Murphy
02-15-2021, 03:28 AM
Congratulations to Tom. You are the man.

Dean Romig
02-15-2021, 06:39 AM
I hope he brings it to some of our events.





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