Beretta Buys H&H!

[John Campbell]

Good news or sad news for that storied gunmaker at Kensal Rise. You decide...


𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐚 𝐇𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐜𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐇𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐇𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐋𝐭𝐝.
One of the most iconic gunmakers in the World, this company is steeped in history and represents the pinnacle of handmade premium firearms. To become custodians of this famous name is an enormous honour and bears a huge responsibility, as we wish to preserve its precious heritage and dedication to skilled craftmanship. This acquisition further solidifies the Beretta Holding Group’s commitment to the key UK market in this post Brexit era.
https://www.hollandandholland.com/

[Dave Noreen]

Good to see an old company steeped in tradition taking over an upstart.

[Dean Romig]

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[Joe Graziano]

That sounds like great news for both organizations, and for sportsmen. Two of the great gun makers combined. Beretta acquires an incredible name in gun making. H & H now enjoys the huge financial backing of the world’s oldest manufacturing company, and maker of outstanding guns themselves. If there was ever a win-win, this appears to be it. And for shooters, perhaps H&H will now produce guns for under a measly $100K��

[allen newell]

one can only hope joe

[Andrew Sacco]

Could be worse. And in case we have some very politically correct people I might offend, thank GOD the Chinese didn't buy it.

[John Campbell]

On balance, I suppose it's more fitting than Chanel Holdings as current owners of Purdey's...

[Mills Morrison]

Beretta makes good guns. Not Parkers, but good quality for the money

[Ken Hill]

I wonder how many high-end garments the 2 companies can sell?

Ken

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

I love my Beretta 92FS! fun to shoot, Gary

[Jay Gardner]

Beretta isn’t doing it for charity, they are going to expect a return on their investment and that means 1) increased sales and/or 2) reduced manufacturing costs. I don’t see Beretta being able grow the H&H market share so that means reducing manufacturing costs. Maybe H&H will be able to outsource some of their basic parts to Beretta but I don’t necessarily think it’s going to be good for the H&H brand.

[Daryl Corona]

Maybe, just maybe, this sets the stage for a H&H repro?:whistle:

[Tom Pellegrini]

Sounds good to me. The Italians will improve and make that company more famous.

[John Dallas]

I got 4 hour tour of H&H by their plant manager about 10 years ago. The man who arranged it was a plant manager at Ford. He was very familiar with manufacturing operations. As we went thru. my friend was muttering "I would do away with him" Or "why not combine that job with the guy next to him?". The Plant manager said "Jeff - a few hundred dollars difference in a $100,000 gun doesn't make a bit of difference".

H&H had at that time about a dozen or so different receivers. Almost all of them had been coverted to CNC machining, but they had several which they chose not to convert, claiming that if they did that, they would lose the knowledge of how to do it "the old way",and that was not good. For example, I was able to handle a 20 gauge SxSxS which obviously would have been done by hand

[John Campbell]

I've been the guest of H&H as well as some other top London makers, and yes, a good bit of their operations are now automated. Nothing wrong with roughing out the parts by machine. But as long as "the last few strokes of the file remain" in the hands of top craftsmen, there will be nothing to compare to a fine London gun. Even from Italy...

[Joe Graziano]

I’ve not (yet) been an invited guest of H&H, but a very full bladder provided one of my most memorable shotgun experiences. I was in London a few years ago on business and happened to be staying near Audley House. Before leaving, I went into Purdey’s and thoroughly enjoyed looking at the guns and dreaming. On the way to the airport, I mentioned it to the cabbie who just happened to be a shotgun guy. He said we were driving right past H&H and if I had the time, he’d be happy to stop. Absolutely! After looking around a bit, I asked the gentleman for the men’s room. Looking annoyed, he said he was the only person there but would escort me to their private loo. I followed him downstairs, past the H&H board room. The walls were lined with historic H&H guns. After exiting the restroom, I realized the gent had gone back upstairs. I stayed for quite some time admiring the guns on display. Pretty neat experience enjoyed because I had to pee. Lol

[John Campbell]

I'll wager it looked a bit like this, sir:

[Jay Gardner]

Maybe, just maybe, this sets the stage for a H&H repro?:whistle:

And don't forget H&H brand "lifestyle" accessories and equipment.

[Joseph Sheerin]

I'll just mark this bit of information under the heading of "Things that will not impact my life", as I will never be able to spend that kind of money on an H&H anyway. :D

Nice firearms, I think I'll just look.... :D

[Joe Graziano]

That is it, sir.

[Bill Murphy]

This union sounds like a "Rich guy, poor guy" thing, that is until you have handled an SO series Beretta. I guess a Holland and Holland under over is more gun, but not by much.

[Joe Graziano]

I have an old SO4, I believe 1978, with Brileys. It’s the best gun, with the best trigger, I’ve owned for clays. In my view, Beretta premium guns compare well against any maker. Hopefully, it will be a successful pairing. Two fantastic companies making outstanding shotguns.

[John Campbell]

I've just received word that another BIG name in British gunmaking is up for sale: W.W. Greener!

At this rate, the English gun trade won't be English much longer!

[Joe Graziano]

Oh my. Perhaps I need to buy a gun company, rather than a gun:)

[John Dallas]

My impression is that Greener is a big name and small company. How many guns do they produce in a year?

[Ken Hill]

Greener is a small "boutique" maker. They have been making new guns with Damascus barrels and in smaller gauges. However, I doubt many of the high end companies make many guns per year. I stopped by Dickson and WR in 2018. I think Dickson was making 4 guns a year (this may have changed with the new owner) and WR might have been making at most 20 guns a year.

Ken

[Larry Stauch]

You know Beretta hasn't ruined any of these companies that has been published about. From the outside it looks like they let these companies continue with their successful approach. My thought is this will be a good thing.

Brands;

Benelli, Franchi, A. Uberti, Stoeger, Sako, Tikka, Victrix Armaments, Chapuis Armes, Steiner and Burris.

[Mike Franzen]

You know Beretta hasn't ruined any of these companies that has been published about. From the outside it looks like they let these companies continue with their successful approach. My thought is this will be a good thing.

Brands;

Benelli, Franchi, A. Uberti, Stoeger, Sako, Tikka, Victrix Armaments, Chapuis Armes, Steiner and Burris.

Kind of sounds like what ruined Remington