1/2 frame info

[Randy G Roberts]

Seems to me that not to long ago we had a member who was documenting 1/2 frame guns. I am thinking there was a thread on this but I cannot seem to find it. In any case there is a Gent on GB who is auctioning off the attached letter only, no gun. Note the frame size (1/2) on the letter. I was just thinking this might be useful to the folks following the 1/2 frame guns. Maybe someone can recall who this was and get this to them. Interesting gun in the letter, does not appear to me that the 1/2 frame helped reduce the weight much.

[Kirk Potter]

I’m guessing that’s supposed to say 1 1/2 frame. Wasn’t the 1/2 frame only after Remington purchased Parker?

[Mills Morrison]

I believe Craig Reynolds was documenting known 1/2 frames and his updated list appeared in Parker Pages about 2 years ago

That serial number looks a bit early for a 1/2 frame too

[Chuck Bishop]

It's a 1 1/2 frame gun. Parker changed from a horizontal type entry to a vertical entry of serial numbers in the stock books starting in 1929. In this new style, the frame size is listed where it wasn't listed in the horizontal style stock books. There are a lot of 1/2 frame sizes listed, no 1 1/2 frames are found. These frame size were hand written until the last 2 stocks book # 81 & 82 when they used stamps instead of hand written frame sizes. In these last 2 books, frame size 1 1/2 is seen. I guess the guy was just too lazy to write 1 1/2.

[Dean Romig]

Okay, I'm confused Chuck.... are there really any 1/2 frame guns or are they all 1 1/2 frame guns with just the lazy guy's entry?





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[Brian Dudley]

This IS supposed to be a 1-1/2 frame. The stock books for that time period had "1/2" hand written in as an abbreviation for 1-1/2. They eventually went to a Rubber hand stamp for "1-1/2".
I cover this extensively in my First written work on James Hayes prototype guns. in 2013. in both the DGJ and PP.
The Parker Story incorrectly speculates that the prototype gun that I wrote about was a 1/2 frame gun and that is because of these notations in the stock books. It is a notion that is easily dismissed when looking at the actual gun and also all of the other surrounding entries in the stock books.


It is interesting to see an "OG" research letter. Issued by Remington. I knew that they would do these on request.

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See here a scan from 1928 for 226709 and the 3 guns before it. Note the 1/2 frame size notation before the serial. That gun IS a 1-1/2 frame gun.

This is the barrel lug.

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[Dean Romig]

Lets try to be a bit more definitive - what is a "OG" research letter please?





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[Brian Dudley]

Lets try to be a bit more definitive - what is a "OG" research letter please?





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OG = Original Gangster. Meaning "Old School".

[Dean Romig]

Sorry - you still lost me.....

Are you referring to a research letter you ordered from Remington?



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[Brian Dudley]

I am talking about the 1970s Remington research letter that started this thread.

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Brian - Now I understand.






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[Chuck Bishop]

Okay, I'm confused Chuck.... are there really any 1/2 frame guns or are they all 1 1/2 frame guns with just the lazy guy's entry?





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Dean, stock books 75,76,78,79,81, and 82 all have 1/2 for guns that are actually 1 1/2 frames. True 1/2 frame guns didn't start till S/N's 240xxx and above. There are no records that I know of which would show which guns with S/N's 240xxx are actually 1/2 or 1 1/2 frame sizes.

[Mills Morrison]

I did not realize they started that late, but that would explain the rarity (and corresponding high prices)

[Dean Romig]

Dean, stock books 75,76,78,79,81, and 82 all have 1/2 for guns that are actually 1 1/2 frames. True 1/2 frame guns didn't start till S/N's 240xxx and above. There are no records that I know of which would show which guns with S/N's 240xxx are actually 1/2 or 1 1/2 frame sizes.



Thanks very much Chuck - That's exactly the detailed information I was looking for.





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[John Knobelsdorf II]

219343

I want to be able to find the letter and information again. Now it will pop up in a search.

[Mike Franzen]

Where did Remington get the detailed information about the dates various parts of the gun were completed?

[Dean Romig]

From what I now understand Mike, they got it from the original factory build records. Ith IBM cards were merely a “quick reference” or basic inventory card with a few basics and sometimes who the gun was for or was shipped to.





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[Mike Franzen]

From what I now understand Mike, they got it from the original factory build records. Ith IBM cards were merely a “quick reference” or basic inventory card with a few basics and sometimes who the gun was for or was shipped to.





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Does anyone know where those records are? Has anyone actually seen them?

[Dean Romig]

Great question Mike. I’d like to know the answer too.

Chuck, do you know?





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